Linux-Advocacy Digest #971, Volume #32 Wed, 21 Mar 01 14:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina)
Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("JD")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina)
Re: CLI vs GUI (Edward Rosten)
Re: Stupid error message (Edward Rosten)
NYC LOCAL: Wednesday 21 March 2001 NYLUG: Len Santalucia on IBM's S/390 GNU/Linux
mainframe ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:09:46 -0300
T. Max Devlin wrote:
> This is the license which foregoes all copyright protection, the BSDL,
> you're talking about, right? Wow; 100% protection without all that
> messy protection. Keen.
The BSD doesn't forego all copyright protection. It keeps atribution
protection. That is enough to guarantee that BSDLd software remains free.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:11:33 -0300
T. Max Devlin wrote:
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 20 Mar 2001
>>I have never written proprietary or closed source software. I have never
>>tried to incorporate GPLd code into such software. I have probably
>>released more free software than 95% of the people here. I dislike the GPL
>>because of not one but both reasons JD gave.
>
> And all of that "free software" you've released, unless it is GPL, can
> be incorporated into proprietary, closed source software.
That is a feature. My free software is free.
> Thanks for all your friggen' help, dude.
Well, if you used my software, you're welcome. Or was that irony?
Are you being ironic because I don't further one of your goals? What goal
is that?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:15:13 -0300
T. Max Devlin wrote:
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 20 Mar 2001
>>T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 16 Mar 2001
>>>>T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Said JD in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:54:19 -0500;
>>>>>>"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll estimate that the number of people who don't understand the
>>>>>> side-effect of GPL are similar (within a few percent, highly
>>>>>> correlated) to those who think that the GPL is a license of free
>>>>>> software.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I'd estimate that the number of people who claim GPL isn't "free
>>>>> software" are similar to those who want to charge money for licenses
>>>>> of work based on free software.
>>>>
>>>>You really have no idea who JD is, right?
>>>
>>> Other than "a poster on cola", I haven't a clue.
>>
>>Well, you shouldn't say someone "want[s] to charge money for licenses of
>>work based on free software", unless you know who he is.
>
> Sorry, I don't work from ignorance, I overcome it. I'll say any
> friggen' thing I want to say unless I know of a reason not to.
Lie, lie, and it will stick?
>>>>Aditionally, I hold that position and don't intend to charge money for
>>>>licenses of work based on free software.
>>>
>>> Then what possible problem could you have with GPL?
>>
>>I think it's a crappy license that prevents combination of its codebase
>>with other free software licenses,
>
> Is it just that which makes it crappy?
No, it's the half a dozen reasons I gave, among others. That was just the
first one.
> Perhaps you should simply have said 'because it prevents combination of
> its codebase with non-GPL software' (you could have thrown in the 'other
> free software', too, but that is, again, gratuitous and needlessly
> argumentative.)
Why should I use a description that is less precise?
>> I think it's deceitful,
>
> How could it be deceitful, when everyone is very upfront about how it
> can't be combined with non-GPL code?
I suppose NeXT just forgot to read the license, then. Or maybe they
misunderstood it?
>> I think it's poorly worded,
>
> If it were, it wouldn't stand up to legal scrutiny, and it does, so...
It has never stood up to legal scrutiny. The only lawyer I have seen that
says it does is the one who helped draft it (Moglen).
>> I think any license that requires a lawyer to make sense of
>>it (or rather several lawyers and a vote) is not a good base for a
>>community of developers,
>
> The community of developers disagree, I guess. And you've apparently
> never read any of the more intricate Microsoft licenses.
Thos licenses are not a good thing on which to base a community of
developers either. You are using a fallacy.
>>I think the FSF's goal is not to make life better
>>for users or programmers, but to turn the free world into RMS's MIT
>>fantasy world.
>>
>>Do you want more?
>
> I'd like something concrete, actually. But obviously, you don't have
> anything concrete; just a vague and unpleasant distaste for people who
> also would prefer RMS' MIT fantasy world to the current world of
> non-free commercial software.
Your stupidity is astonishing.
>>>>In fact, who precisely do you know who has both characteristics?
>>>
>>> You'll have to clarify your thinking for me. I'm willing to accept your
>>> reasoning; I don't know anyone personally who develops software at all,
>>> other than Usenet acquaintances.
>>
>>I don't mean "personally". I mean, even including Usenet acquaintances.
>
> Well, I don't know of any that will admit they'd like to be able to get
> rich on licensing, but I still can't see any other reason not to like
> the GPL.
You are blind, then. I gave you five.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:17:12 -0300
Rob S. Wolfram wrote:
> Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>3) If you want to place the restrictions of the GPL on your code, that's
>>great and it is your choice -- but don't call it free. It ain't.
>
> Then neither is BSDLed software. It has license restrictions too.
You could remove the only restriction on the BSDL (the attribution of
copyright) and it would make no difference (you still can't remove it).
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:20:25 -0300
Brian Langenberger wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Brian Langenberger wrote:
>
> <snip!>
>
> :> But once someone gets a copy, they can distribute the GPL'ed sources
> :> (and everything RedHat has done so far is GPL'ed or with an open
> :> specification) far and wide via non-RedHat channels.
>
> : Ok, Red Hat will not do what I am about to say, but they COULD do it, if
> : they wanted:
>
> : Modify rpm (the program) so that it only installs RH-signed packages.
> : Make rpm signatures depend on the machine the software would be
> : installed on (on-the-fly signing of RPMs based on a web form?).
>
> : That's all that's needed. Only rpms downloaded from RH would install on
> : RH.
>
> : Of course you could hack rpm to ignore the signatures. That can be
> : worked around by making only RPM non-free (and RH owns RPM, right?)
>
> Assuming a worst-cast scenario of a proprietized RPM 5 (or whatever),
> RedHat is still bound by the GPL to release the sources for their
> non-RedHat stuff (probably the bulk of the distro) in the same
> package as the distro *somehow*.
src.rpms ;-)
> And once one person gets a hold of
> those GPLed sources, it's all over since he can redistribute them
> and rebuild the bulk of RedHat given enough time.
Given enough time, he only would need to go upstream and doesn't need RH to
give him anything. Of course what he builds would not be RH ;-)
> : Finally, RH could claim that you can't distribute all of RH on a CD, or
> : put all of RH on a site because of compilation copyright. How that would
> : fly on a court, I have no idea.
>
> There's a "compilation copyright"?
Sure. Think collections of short stories.
> In any event, RedHat's main
> assets are its name, its ability to compile a solid distro that
> Usually Doesn't Suck, and its value-added services aimed for business
> users. Assuming it goes down the "trying to extort a lot of money"
> route, not only will its name be shot to hell but people will happily
> fork off the last non-extortionist RedHat and spend more time on that
> one instead of kowtowing to the now-obnoxious RedHat.
>
> In short, I really can't come up with a "Really Nasty RedHat"
> scenario that doesn't end in RedHat quickly being made irrelevent.
> Therefore, I'm inclined to believe they're not about to go down that
> path anytime in the near or far future.
That's why I said they wouldn't do it. Because it would kill them, nothing
else.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: misc.int-property,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:29:09 -0500
"Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> JD wrote:
> >
> > "Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > JD wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > JD wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > Said JD in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:54:19 -0500;
> > > > > > > >Jumping in:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'll estimate that the number of people who don't understand the
> > > > > > > > side-effect of GPL are similar (within a few percent, highly
>correlated)
> > > > > > > > to those who think that the GPL is a license of free software.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And I'd estimate that the number of people who claim GPL isn't "free
> > > > > > > software" are similar to those who want to charge money for licenses of
> > > > > > > work based on free software.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > That is strictly not true, because most people who really don't like the
>GPL,
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh they don't, do they? Specifically what class of people did you count
> > > > > in your "most" qualifier? What methodology did you use in counting
> > > > > them, and where is your research published and peer reviewed? You _do_
> > > > > have some basis for this statement, beyond your own previous rhetoric,
> > > > > don't you?
> > > > >
> > > > Okay, your right... People just don't like the GPL because it is a bad
>license then? :-).
> > >
> > > We haven't figured out that people don't like the GPL yet, beyond your
> > > repeated insistance that they don't. Which people, specifically?
> > >
> > All you have to do is look and listen. The information is freely available, and
> > probably not under the GPL.
>
> I have looked and listened and don't see a groundswell of opposition
> that you apparently do. Where is it, or is it made of straw?
>
There is a huge body of individuals who dislike the GPL... This is especially
true when the license is carefully read and reviewed. In your own clique, you
might not find the people. This becomes a circular argument.
My position is that I know (and like) both GPL and non-GPL heads. In order to
demonstrate my point is that there are people who think that the GPL sucks (I don't
agree.) There is a larger set of people who understand that the GPL is restrictive
(which is my position.)
Alas, your claim of not knowing any non-GPL people shows your limited view. All
it takes is an existance proof of my position... QED.
John
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:29:01 -0300
Rob S. Wolfram wrote:
> JD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>"Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:q2us6.248195$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> the FREE is Free Software Foundation was never meant to mean "no
>>> money". It means it give you the freedom to choose how you work, and
>>> not have the choices made for you.
>>>
>>GPL doesn't do that for you.
>
> Then I wonder who or what does. I am guaranteed that I can always patch
> a bug in gcc.
But you can't always add a feature. For example (silly one), if I wanted to
make gcc show the errors in a non-free-toolkit window, I would have to
workaround the GPL.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CLI vs GUI
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:33:12 +0000
<snip>
> Both camps are right, neither one should win. I really do like a system which
> will help me think about complex things, I also want the system to be an
> appliance, and play a damn CD with no fuss sometimes.
I'll have to say I agree, though I usually find it faster typing xmms
from a the shell than getting it on the menu :-)
-Ed
--
Did you know that the oldest known rock is the famous |u98ejr
Hackenthorpe rock, which is over three trillion years |@
old? |eng.ox
-The Hackenthorpe Book of Lies |.ac.uk
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From: Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stupid error message
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:36:00 +0000
> > Do you prefer this style of error message?
> >
> > - ``You don't exist, go away''
> > - ``Not a typewriter''
> > - ``Aiee!''
> >
>
> My personal favorite has to be "If you try this again, I'm going to tell
> on you." (stderr from an older version of sudo, IIRC).
I like xv, if it encounters an error, the dialogue box telling doesn't
say OK on the button (well, it's not OK is it), it says "Bummer!" or
"That Sucks!"
-Ed
--
Did you know that the oldest known rock is the famous |u98ejr
Hackenthorpe rock, which is over three trillion years |@
old? |eng.ox
-The Hackenthorpe Book of Lies |.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: NYC LOCAL: Wednesday 21 March 2001 NYLUG: Len Santalucia on IBM's S/390
GNU/Linux mainframe
Date: 21 Mar 2001 13:42:23 -0500
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About IBM...
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:50:59 -0500
Brent R wrote:
>
> Shades wrote:
> >
> > > Youve rested it on nothing at all. EVIDENCE, kulkis. Its not too
> > terribly difficult a
> > > concept. I'm not about to believe anything that *anyone* says (even if I
> > really want to)
> > > simply because they SAY it.
> > >
> > > You're probably christian, arent you.
> >
> > I have seen Kulkis say some nutty things and yeah he sometimes seems blinded
> > by his hatred but your one statement outdid him. I am not a religious man
> > but I don't take kindly to people who start down this road of bull. You
> > really shouldn't have said that.
>
> Kulkis is kinda' the Derek Smart of this newsgroup. He's not all bad,
> but generally you can goad him into saying some pretty funny things so
> he's good for a laugh. When he doesn't let his temper get to him, he's
> actually semi-personable.
>
> But I had to killfile him and I recommend you do too. You
> can't/shouldn't argue with someone who's that unstable.
The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club.
>
> --
> - Brent
>
> http://rotten168.home.att.net
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:52:03 -0500
Shades wrote:
>
> >
> > If you can't trust the guy you hired specifically to give you such
> > advice, then you shouldn't have hired him in the first place.
> >
>
> I agree but for some reason it doesn't work out that way. I think the
> guy's background may be technically sound but he pisses off his boss too
> much by calling him an idiot in so many words without explaining to him why.
> Thus over time the boss doesn't even trust his own people even though they
> are right on the money. As I said this situation makes it easy for the boss
> to simply make the "bad" decision and just simply order the guy to implement
> it. My point.
"Mr Feynman, could you explain what you won the Nobel Prize for?"
"If I could explain it to you, it wouldn't be worthy of the nobel prize."
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:52:27 -0500
Shades wrote:
>
> > Awwwwwwwww, did I touch a nerve.....shill.
> >
>
> Not at all just thought it was funny after attempting to wade through all
> you responses to Jan.
It took all of a few seconds.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:53:02 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Youve rested it on nothing at all. EVIDENCE, kulkis. Its not too
> > terribly difficult a
> >> concept. I'm not about to believe anything that *anyone* says (even if I
> > really want to)
> >> simply because they SAY it.
> >>
> >> You're probably christian, arent you.
>
> > I have seen Kulkis say some nutty things and yeah he sometimes seems blinded
> > by his hatred but your one statement outdid him. I am not a religious man
> > but I don't take kindly to people who start down this road of bull. You
> > really shouldn't have said that.
>
> Fuck you. I despise blind belief of ANYTHING without sufficient evidence, and
> that includes god.
And yet, you blindly believe in Microsoft products.
Why is that?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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