Linux-Advocacy Digest #66, Volume #33 Sat, 24 Mar 01 21:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux dying (GreyCloud)
Re: What is user friendly? ("green")
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (GreyCloud)
Re: More FUD from Ballmer (GreyCloud)
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor ("Chad Myers")
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor ("Chad Myers")
Re: What is user friendly? ("green")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Chad Myers")
Re: What is user friendly? (Matt Kennel)
Re: What is user friendly? ("green")
Re: What is user friendly? (GreyCloud)
Re: What is user friendly? (GreyCloud)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (.)
Re: What is user friendly? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (GreyCloud)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:03:49 -0800
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:99h6dm$o2g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > I just posted a link where IBM is puting high end clusters on Linux.
>
> So? IBM has yet to sell any of this. So, perhaps they are doing this at a
> loss and expect to make up for it in volume (joke, hehe)
>
> >
> > Linux is making its presence felt at all levels.
>
> felt? sure. Penetration? Sure, at the expense of other older/uglier unixes
> falling aside, and the continued demise of netware and os/2. Meanwhile
> NT/W2K penetration increases faster ...
>
> >
> > What is great about Linux is that its underhyped.
>
> Funny - it seems vastly overhyped to me. Ask anyone in the stock market what
> they think of when someone asks for a definition of "overhyped" - ... hahaa
>
> >
> > I have said that it needs a real component model to replace that kludge
> > CORBA.
>
> You said it.
>
> >
> > A few talented people will come up with something, that just appears out
> of
> > nowhere, like PHP.
>
> Counting on miracles?
>
> >
> > Linux is a tremendous competitor. The talent in the open source movement
> > cannot be underestimated.
>
> Agreed. Most definately. Linux advocates seem to underestimate windows
> advocates all the time. but never nearly as much as they underestimate
> NT/W2K. It will be their downfall to continue to believe that they only need
> focus on their own internal achievments and imagine that MS wall fall of
> it's own doing or that windows will simply stop being the most popular OS on
> the planet... just like that. The underestimation finger points at the linux
> camp with it's blinders on - a true windows advocate is clearly aware of
> linux and it's worthyness. Linux is a fine little OS, there is something to
> be learned from it. It is a strong _technological_ competetor (a total
> failure in most any other arena, especially as a business model) but so were
> Netware and OS/2 and Solaris but they've failed and so too will Linux unless
> it changes it's holier-than-thou approach to things.
>
> >
> > Microsoft knows that Linux, not Sun or Oracle, is its real competitor.
>
> Sure, Sun/Oracle has already been defeated (Sun just lost a huge super
> computer bid in australia because it wasn't able to prove it's reliability
> claims, Compaq won the bid instead on NT/Alpha machines).
>
> >
> > Oracle is a overpriced, one product show, underlain by marketing. Larry
> > Ellison worked for IBM and was more agile with the relational database.
> Add
> > tremendous marketing to a limited product.
>
> eh...
>
> >
> > Sun is tying everything to a single language (add VM problems to High
> Level
> > Language problems, a HISTORIC idiocy), like putting a noose around its own
> > neck. I have predicted a couple of years ago that Dell would end up buying
> > Sun in a few years, mostly for its ambiance, rather than anything of real
> > tech value.
>
> hehe
>
> >
> > Sun specializes in much that doesn't quite work, especially without some
> > overprices Sun server.
>
> oh yea...
>
> >
> > During the antitrust trial, Maritz was being cross-examined by Boies about
> > the threat from Linux and the open source movement.
>
> (you do know that boies has lost the MS trial, lost the napster trial and
> three of the five other high profile cases he's been on before - not quite a
> track record. the DoJ is NOT using Boies again)
>
> >
> > Boies used a Wash Post article quoting a Red Hat exec, saying oh, it's
> just
> > a few hundred of us at Red Hat.
> >
> > The big fat pumpkin "when's lunch" Judge Jackson: "What are they,
> > hobbyists?"
> >
> > Maritz: "It's a small army of very talented people."
> >
> > That's about right on the dime: "a small army."
>
> I like to think of the linux "army" as the Iraqi Republican Guard... the
> uninformed world press feared them and hence the masses beliving what they
> read/were told feared them and untold NATO casulties too. Now picture MS as
> the US in the Gulf War. Keep proding it... takes time to build up forces...
> and then one day... :)
Aha... just as I thought... Its catbert the Evil Human Resources
director!
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:14:26 +1000
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> FM wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >FM wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Quantum Leaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Most Universities still teach Cobol/Mainframe as the center of their
CS
> > >> >degrees. How useful is that? At least that what my friend told
me, when
> > >> >he was looking at some Universities. Most programmers I know use
C/C++.
> > >> >BTW the local college centers around teaching C/C++ as the intro
language
> > >> >for the CS degrees, instead of Cobol.
> > >>
> > >> What decade do you think this is? Cobol? C/C++ are plenty backwards
> > >> enough (Cobol isn't really necessarily more backwards than, say, C,
> > >> just more obsolete in today's computing)
> > >>
> > >
> > >So obsolete that EVERY Fortune 500 company has a shitload of COBOL
applications....
> > >without which, they companies would fall into chaos within hours.
> >
> > What part of "more" did you not understand?
>
> If it's obsolete, why isn't it being replaced?
>
> If it's obsolete, why are NEW applications being written in it?
>
>
can you justify re writing millions of lines of code in a newer uptodate
language,
the time it will take, the time testing so
to get an end product that works like the existing working system?
can you get companies to justify it to?
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:09:13 -0800
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On 23 Mar 2001 17:10:01 -0600, Jon Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >> You have to be running an unpatched version of BIND to fall victim to
> > >> this. Normal Linux workstations do not run BIND, even most servers
> > >> don't. This is mainly a problem for DNS admins.
> >
> > >ZDNet too apparently ...
> > >
> > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0%2C4586%2C2700665%2C00.html
> >
> > ZDNet too what? So they have the same report. How does that impact
> > what I said at all? It is only a problem for machines that run BIND,
> > which is a small minority of all Linux machines. The worm is a problem
> > for DNS admins (and then only ones who haven't been paying attention for
> > the last three months), not everybody who runs Linux.
> >
> > Do you even bother to read what people say to you?
>
> Dude, jezuz, chill. I agreed with you. Man, the anti-MS types are so
> paranoid and touchy...
>
> We know it's a bind problem and we know it's not affecting every linux box.
>
> JUST like how many "windows" viruses don't affect everyone and the
> protection against it was probably already available but simply not used.
>
> Put it this way, the current version of Office is XP and both of the service
> packs for Office 2000 have all included the mandatory Outlook e-mail
> security patch. This patch completely eliminates the threat of e-mail born
> script attacks. These have been out for a year. ANYONE getting hit by
> something like that anna virus lately is stupid. The patch to prevent it
> from happening is out there and the standard. You shouldn't be running
> unknown scripts on your system anyway. So, these are NOT MS/Windows problems
> or vulnerabilities - they are stupid user issues. Will you remember that if
> there is another anna virus? Somehow I doubt it...
Well, the nice thing for my wifes' windows box is that she doesn't
receive damaging scripts or viruses through our ISP. Our ISP filters
the viruses and VB scripts out before we receive them.... oh BTW our ISP
uses Linux. :-)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More FUD from Ballmer
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:15:11 -0800
Weevil wrote:
>
> GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > As I recall, Steve used to have hair. Man I'd worry at nights too if I
> > had to defend a company like that and then have to turn around and
> > wonder if his great sized crew of programmers will ever finish the next
> > version of O/S on time. I suspect he has a conscience other wise he'd
> > still have hair. Bill isn't bald.
> >
>
> If you ever come across the subpoenaed Microsoft internal email regarding
> their destruction of DR-DOS, you will never again accuse Ballmer (or any MS
> executive) of having a conscience.
>
> --
> Weevil
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "The obvious mathematical breakthrough [for breaking encryption schemes]
> would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers."
> -- Bill Gates, The Road Ahead (pg 265), 1995
Yes, I have to agree with you. I was only assuming from what I see of
Ballmers press conferences. . . he's always sweaty looking.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:04:05 GMT
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3abd27cf$0$28168$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On 23 Mar 2001 17:10:01 -0600, Jon Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >> You have to be running an unpatched version of BIND to fall victim to
> > >> this. Normal Linux workstations do not run BIND, even most servers
> > >> don't. This is mainly a problem for DNS admins.
> >
> > >ZDNet too apparently ...
> > >
> > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0%2C4586%2C2700665%2C00.html
> >
> > ZDNet too what? So they have the same report. How does that impact
> > what I said at all? It is only a problem for machines that run BIND,
> > which is a small minority of all Linux machines. The worm is a problem
> > for DNS admins (and then only ones who haven't been paying attention for
> > the last three months), not everybody who runs Linux.
> >
> > Do you even bother to read what people say to you?
>
> Dude, jezuz, chill. I agreed with you. Man, the anti-MS types are so
> paranoid and touchy...
So are the OS/2 people. When they realize that their choice of OS
was a niche one made on an implusive and whimsical decision (like
because they "hate" MS or other such stupidities) and then that
choice of OS begins to crumble away, they get a little defensive and
testy. Macvocates are the worst because they get jerked around so
much. It's not a niche OS, then it is a niche OS, and back and forth.
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:05:16 GMT
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 24 Mar 2001 17:06:06 -0600, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On 23 Mar 2001 17:10:01 -0600, Jon Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> >> You have to be running an unpatched version of BIND to fall victim to
> >> >> this. Normal Linux workstations do not run BIND, even most servers
> >> >> don't. This is mainly a problem for DNS admins.
> >>
> >> >ZDNet too apparently ...
> >> >
> >> >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0%2C4586%2C2700665%2C00.html
> >>
> >> ZDNet too what? So they have the same report. How does that impact
> >> what I said at all? It is only a problem for machines that run BIND,
>
> >> Do you even bother to read what people say to you?
> >
> >Dude, jezuz, chill. I agreed with you.
> > Man, the anti-MS types are so paranoid and touchy...
>
> At least I don't drool on myself.
I'm not so sure... frothing would be a better characterization
>
> > We know it's a bind problem and we know it's not affecting every linux
> > box.
>
> Thank you. Now if you could admit that it is affecting maybe 1% of the
> Linux boxes out there and isn't remotely comparable to an email virus
> we'd be getting somewhere.
Apparently its worse than that since this WORM seems to be a problem.
-c
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
soc.singles,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:23:50 +1000
"Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3abd1b3f$0$28213$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Which gets back to my main point:
> >
> > Mafia$oft sticks you with code compiled for an 80486, and nothing
> > better....even if you're running a Pentium III.
>
> Wrong. There is Pentium specific code in NT as well as Windows 2000. There
> are also processor specific speed ups for the PII and PIII OP sets, as
well
> as specific speedups for MMS, SSE and SSEII.
nt 4 runs on a 486.
pentium pro optimised but compatible with a 486, unless the kernel loads a
diffrent version
of nt depending on what it detects.
2000 dosn't run on 486.
might be just code to detect and not even try.
>
>
> So, can't run linux on a 286 without a recompile eh?
>
can't run on a 286 unless it was writen for 16bit operation.
mabey a special kernel is being developed but it isn't 32 bit at least.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:07:01 GMT
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 24 Mar 2001 16:14:04 -0600, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Andy Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> As far as set top boxes go, what is actually available now and what does
> >> each run?
> >> I've heard that the TIVO box runs on a Linux kernel but I'm not sure if
> >it's
> >> true or not.
> >
> >Tivo does run linux and it freezes often requiring a quick reboot to get
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >going again.
> >
>
> And, of course, that's not true at all, now is it?
I've heard similar reports from friends. In the end, it's worth the
money, but sometimes the playback is hosed, or if you are using
the interface while its recording, it gets choppy. And like everything
attempting to be GUI on linux, it freezes occasionally requiring
the power to be cycled to get it back and going again.
Sounds like regular Linux, I don't know why anyone expects differently.
-c
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Kennel)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:22:25 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: mbkennel@<REMOVE THE BAD DOMAIN>yahoo.spam-B-gone.com
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:21:54 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 24 Mar 2001
:No, you have it backwards. Linux advocates think Linux is good
:software. Windows is 'magic' in comparison, because no scientific
:knowledge is sufficient to guess how it's going to crash, today. Linux
:isn't magic, because its bugs or failures are repeatable and verifiable,
I agree, except when it comes to browsers for some reason. All of
them hang or crash unpredictably for me.
{Netscape 4, many Mozillas, KDE2 Konqueror, Opera)
:whereas Microsoft's are non-repeatable, semi-random, and entirely
:deniable.
--
* Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
*
* "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
* Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:27:28 +1000
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> green wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > yes and that exception is my case.
> > > >
> > > > a HT6560b controler has
> > > >
> > > > 2 ide channels ide 1 works through ide0 so i have 3 hd's and 1 cdrom
on
> > it
> > > > 1 floppy controller.
> > > >
> > > > EISA bus.
> > > >
> > > > the swap is on the first hard disk.
> > > > no mirroring as i have not enough space any way.
> > >
> > > But the original claim was that a broken FLOPPY drive caused a Linux
> > > system to crash.
> > >
> > > This is a complete falsehood, for the reasons which I explained above.
> >
> > not floppy DRIVE but floppy DISK.
> >
> > dos boot disks work fine.
> > but linux crock's at loading root file system on second disk.
>
> liar
>
how could you know with out seeing the system?
not every system haves as it should.
<end argument don't care any more>
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:30:10 -0800
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:01:08 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >FM wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >FM wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Quantum Leaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Most Universities still teach Cobol/Mainframe as the center of their CS
> >> >> >degrees. How useful is that? At least that what my friend told me, when
> >> >> >he was looking at some Universities. Most programmers I know use C/C++.
> >> >> >BTW the local college centers around teaching C/C++ as the intro language
> >> >> >for the CS degrees, instead of Cobol.
> >> >>
> >> >> What decade do you think this is? Cobol? C/C++ are plenty backwards
> >> >> enough (Cobol isn't really necessarily more backwards than, say, C,
> >> >> just more obsolete in today's computing)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >So obsolete that EVERY Fortune 500 company has a shitload of COBOL
>applications....
> >> >without which, they companies would fall into chaos within hours.
> >>
> >> What part of "more" did you not understand?
> >
> >If it's obsolete, why isn't it being replaced?
> >
> >If it's obsolete, why are NEW applications being written in it?
> >
> >
>
> I thought this was a good, although slightly biased, discussion of this topic:
>
> http://www.acucobol.com/Sidetopics/itman.html
Yes, its what I've heard in past Federal meetings as well. Its an
opportunity for the Linux developers to provide a good solid modern
Cobol compiler for business. At least companies then will have
alternatives to the more costly O/Ses.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:32:47 -0800
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > FM wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >FM wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Quantum Leaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >Most Universities still teach Cobol/Mainframe as the center of their
> CS
> > > >> >degrees. How useful is that? At least that what my friend told
> me, when
> > > >> >he was looking at some Universities. Most programmers I know use
> C/C++.
> > > >> >BTW the local college centers around teaching C/C++ as the intro
> language
> > > >> >for the CS degrees, instead of Cobol.
> > > >>
> > > >> What decade do you think this is? Cobol? C/C++ are plenty backwards
> > > >> enough (Cobol isn't really necessarily more backwards than, say, C,
> > > >> just more obsolete in today's computing)
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >So obsolete that EVERY Fortune 500 company has a shitload of COBOL
> applications....
> > > >without which, they companies would fall into chaos within hours.
> > >
> > > What part of "more" did you not understand?
> >
> > If it's obsolete, why isn't it being replaced?
>
> It IS being replaced - faster and faster every year.
>
> >
> > If it's obsolete, why are NEW applications being written in it?
>
> Because Y2K people had to be hired somewhere. at a seriously discounted
> rate. Programming in cobol is barely going to pay your mother rent for the
> basement.
Tell that to the programmers that work for ESD. They are well paid.
And I don't know where you get your info from. Provide facts with
references please.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: 25 Mar 2001 01:41:37 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On 24 Mar 2001 16:14:04 -0600, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Andy Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >>
>> >> As far as set top boxes go, what is actually available now and what does
>> >> each run?
>> >> I've heard that the TIVO box runs on a Linux kernel but I'm not sure if
>> >it's
>> >> true or not.
>> >
>> >Tivo does run linux and it freezes often requiring a quick reboot to get
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >going again.
>> >
>>
>> And, of course, that's not true at all, now is it?
> I've heard similar reports from friends. In the end, it's worth the
> money, but sometimes the playback is hosed, or if you are using
> the interface while its recording, it gets choppy.
This has never EVER happened to me nor the 10 people that I know personally
who have TIVOs.
Chad is lying again.
> And like everything
> attempting to be GUI on linux, it freezes occasionally requiring
> the power to be cycled to get it back and going again.
An absolute, positive lie. Check google. Tivos do not do that.
=====.
--
"The city's all wrapped up in plastic like an electronic cocoon;
if you lay in the street you can hear it humming"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:42:34 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:17:08 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>
>> "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:u%Yt6.63$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > Oh, really. All workers need is M$-Office, and nothing more?
>> > > So...they access the various databases through what, exactly?
>> > > Do they go in with word-pad and edit the raw binary files?
>> >
>> > Who says they need to access databases?
>>
>> FWIW, you can access 99% of the databases on the world from Access.
>
>Yeah, right.
>
>You're gonna get into Merril Lynche's Oracle and Informix databases
>with Access...
One might have to clarify the original specification to add
", given the correct access control lists, accounts, firewalls,
and/or packet routing specifications".
In other words, an employee within an organization might use Access
in order to retrieve information from an internal data retrieval system
(a subset of the term "database", IMO). Outside of the organization,
one would hope that the database/data retrieval system is not
accessable, and even access using Access from within the organization
may be limited to those who need to know, for various reasons (e.g.,
protecting customer accounts from overly casual access to keep the
customers from getting nervous).
(Side point: I would assume Access uses ODBC, which would make it
able to access any database for which Windows ODBC drivers exist.
Oracle and MS Sqlserver both have ODBC drivers; I suspect IBM's DB/2
does as well. Dunno about PostgreSQL, though I suspect they've got
some, too -- there's an NT version of PostgreSQL so not adding
ODBC drivers would IMO be rather dumb.)
(Side point #2: this has nothing to do with the data retrieval system's
OS proper -- but then you probably knew that already. :-) )
>
>By "access" do you mean "retrieve a raw datastream"
>
>In that case, I can "access" 100% of all databases with "cat"
Indeed, even raw partitions. Whether one can make sense of the data, of
course, remains to be seen -- although "strings" might work in some cases.
However, compression and encryption might make a hash of things, and
the interrelationships of the data may be lost (for example, in Oracle,
deleting a record may cause other records to disappear if the other
records reference the first record using a "foreign key" and the clause
"ON DELETE CASCADE" is used in the record def -- this can be very useful;
however, deleted records may remain in the database until the storage is
used for something else, not unlike freed memory within a process -- or
they may not, for security reasons; I don't know Oracle all that well).
[.sigsnip]
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EAC code #191 47d:23h:54m actually running Linux.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:42:10 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Jon Johanson wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Jan Johanson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2550387,00.html
> > > >
> > > > New analysis of a security hole refutes a report that a Microsoft
> > employee
> > > > put a "back door" in a module installed by Microsoft Corp.'s Web server
> > > > software, an expert says.
> > >
> > > Naw, it's just a BUG.
> >
> > No, it's neither. It's a joke.
>
> ALL of Mafia$oft's code is a JOKE.
>
Who is this Johanson character? He's spreading propaganda in an
advocacy group. He acts like some klingon... like a dingle berry or
something.
It sure appears he knows very little of UNIX.
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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