Linux-Advocacy Digest #137, Volume #33 Tue, 27 Mar 01 15:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Has Linux anything to offer ? (David Dorward)
Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Some OS security thoughts (Perry Pip)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Wilfrid Schusta)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Perry Pip)
Re: Microsoft uses Linux (Wilfrid Schusta)
Music copyrights, was Why open source software is better (David Masterson)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2) ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Has Linux anything to offer ? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (spam)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Has Linux anything to offer ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Distro Bigotry... ("spicerun")
Re: Why can't we just all be friends? ("spicerun")
Re: Has Linux anything to offer ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Has Linux anything to offer ? (Brian Langenberger)
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From: David Dorward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Has Linux anything to offer ?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:35:00 +0100
mdew wrote:
> cmon.. I know configuring a CDR drive isnt that easy, for the average
> user configuring something like ide-scsi modules isnt that easy, it may
Didn't need to. Mandrake 7.2 managed to autodetect it.
--
David Dorward http://www.dorward.co.uk/
The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink
what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. -- Mark Twain
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger!
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:01:16 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Craig Kelley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 27 Mar 2001 09:27:30 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> As if anyone really cares:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell/
>>
>> This URL appears at the bottom of a Sony VAIO
>> ad. I wonder why this URL is there... has
>> Sony been accused of chicanery with Illegal
>> Copies of Windows?
>>
>> Make sure your COA is genuine!
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell/how/default.asp
>
> [snip]
>
>>
>> I'm tempted to be utterly juvenile, and send a note
>> to the e-mail above stammering that somehow Linux
>> got onto my Windows box. What am I to do????
>
>Try to buy a Vaio without Windows.
>
>Try to buy a Vaio without Microsfot Word.
>
>Try to buy a Vaio using anything other than Internet Explorer.
>
>Are not these crimes as well? Why should we pay for Word more than
>once?
Uh, because it's such a wonderful product and everyone should? :-)
You're right. I don't believe it either.
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- what's this thing in my cheek?
EAC code #191 50d:17h:33m actually running Linux.
It's a conspiracy of one.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Some OS security thoughts
Date: 27 Mar 2001 17:58:07 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:41:36 -0500,
Chris Coyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>... and another thing,
>ISP's should be held accountable for damages done by their subscribers,
>whether malicious or careless.
That's utterly ridiculous. Next you will tell me the phone company is
accountable if someone makes a threataning prank phone call, or the
the electric company is accountable when someone doesn't follow codes
in their house and get's burned or elctrocuted.
>When you consider that it might be the ISP's
>own servers which get screwed up by the next virus/worm, you'd think it would
>be in their own interest to have a look at their subscribers machines when
>they sign up.
I see you know alot about security. Did it ever occur to that as long
as an ISP knows how to secure it's own machines they won't be
vulnerable to any virus/worm from anywhere, customers machine or not.
>Customers with security problems should be told, "Sorry,
>we can't activate your subscription until you fix the following security
>problems on your machine: ... ".
I can see it now. A new security hole is discovered and ISP's tell
their customers their service is discontinued until they run apt-get,
which they can't run because their service is discontinued. :(
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:15:51 +0200
From: Wilfrid Schusta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Brian Rourke wrote:
> No, you're right....though I've become more and more pessimistic.
Believe me, Brian: I'm in a similar situation and especially my first
experiences with Linux about two years ago were rather frustrating,
especially when it came to configuration, networking, even compilation...
At least it seems there is no OS available currently, that is capable of
both an automatic configuration and customization as well as realiable
performance. We have to choose...
greetings
--
Wilfrid Schusta - http://www.wilfrid.at/
contributed by a happy Linux fan and member of http://www.lugsp.at/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: 27 Mar 2001 18:22:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 27 Mar 2001 07:32:17 GMT,
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 26 Mar 2001 21:08:28 GMT, Perry Pip wrote:
>>On 14 Mar 2001 22:01:24 GMT,
>>Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>Wait a minute -- I am not claiming barriers to entry don't exist
>>>at all. I'm not claiming that they couldn't fix prices either.
>>
>>Here is what you wrote in a previous post:
>>
>> "If your definition of monopoly is "they can fix prices", then I simply
>> don't agree that they have a monopoly."
>>
>>Now it seems to me you are arguing that they can't fix
>>prices. Furthermore, that is the legal definition of a monopoly, not
>>mine.
>
>OK, I did claim that in a previous post. I *was* arguing they couldn't fix
>prices. I suppose there is a reasonable argument that they could.
OK
>
>>Well I had originally responded to your claim:
>>
>> "What I am saying is that the "MS's prices are too high" claim is
>> unsubstantiated nonsense."
>>
>>If it's unsubstantiated nonsense how did it get proven in Federal Court??
>
>Did it get "proven" ? What do you mean by "proof" anyway ? This is not a
>criminal case, which substantially lowers the standards regarding what
>constitutes "proof", (actually it's not necessary for the plaintiff to "prove"
>anything to win a civil suit). And the decisions were made unilaterally by
>Jackson. The legal system allows for a due process and peer review that has
>not as yet run its course.
Until it's reversed on appeal, it's legally factual. And even so, you
certainly can't call it in your words 'unsubstantiated nonsense'
considering it's the evidence based on MS's own internal documents.
>>>>Now here in lies the problem, you are *stereotyping* me. And you seem
>>>>to do so to anyone who disagrees with you.
>>>
>>>No, this complaint is not specifically about you at all. (in fact it
>>>doesn't even apply to you.)
>>
>>Well then why are you including these complaints in your responses to
>>my posts??
>
>The point is that I am very sceptical when I see an argument that I believe
>uses fairly sloppy reasoning siezed upon by a herd.
IMHO you've used a considerable amount of sloppy reasoning yourself,
including your stereotyping of people, which only makes reasonable
people sceptical of you.
Perry
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:30:34 +0200
From: Wilfrid Schusta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft uses Linux
Scot Mc Pherson wrote:
> Akamai Technologies - which tests suggest is running these servers on Linux.
btw: have you already seen
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/guide/features.asp
? Just wondering where they collected all those wonderful ideas, e.g. "
Dramatically Reduced Reboot Scenarios - Also, many software
installations will not require reboots", "A firewall client that can
protect small businesses from common Internet attacks", "Group Policy
settings simplify the administration..." and so on.
Any suggestions? ;-))
greetings
--
Wilfrid Schusta - http://www.wilfrid.at/
contributed by a happy Linux fan and member of http://www.lugsp.at/
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:28:44 -0500
Subject: Music copyrights, was Why open source software is better
From: David Masterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> "Stefaan" == Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> David Masterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>>>>> "Stefaan" == Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon) writes:
>>>> Our system of economics is not well equipped to deal with
>>>> information. Economics is fundamentally about managing scarcity
>>>> (for without scarcity there is no need to economise). But
>>>> information isn't scarce. It can be endlessly copied with
>>>> depriving anyone else. So the solution they came up with is for
>>>> the government to artificially impose scarcity through copyright
>>>> laws .i.e to order the cow to quack. That's madness.
>> A very interesting way of putting it...
>>> Not really. The scarcity isn't in the copies, it's in the
>>> production of the originals. To get a new song, you need a poet to
>>> write lyrics (for today's songs, read: put five words together,
>>> three of which are "I love you"), a composer to write music (==
>>> crib a 10 year old hit and add some rapping noises), a band to
>>> play it (yup, they still have to know how to play an instrument),
>>> and a singer (any good-looking aphone 18 year old will do). Oh,
>>> and I forget the expensive producers, and the hyper-expensive
>>> record company executive; I almost left out the add agency. In
>>> any case, you need to pay all these people, and you need to spread
>>> the puncture over lots of gullible youngsters.
>> But is there no other way than copyright of doing this? If Nick is
>> correct, then you haven't justified the need for copyright --
>> you've simply espoused the party line on copyright.
> I guess I'm not very good at being sarcastic - not for want of
> trying :-{
I thought so, but I thought I could spur some discussion in a better
direction (away from the definition of "free").
> I don't believe there is a better way than giving the creators
> a time-limited right to get money for their efforts, either
> directly or indirectly. I for one would not want to rely on
> the goodwill of those who like my music to send me a quid, but
> I'd be quite happy with a reasonable advance and royalties.
Would you be happy signing a long-term contract with a particular
record company?
> If the record companies (to continue to use music as an example)
> would have to compete to sign up artists, the situation would
> vastly improve.
But once the record company signs the artist up (to a long-term
contract), the pool of artists goes down, the power of the record
company goes up, and we head down the road towards a monopoly.
> I don't know how we can stop the trend towards ever fewer, always
> bigger, more powerful companies, but I'm convinced it needs to be
> done, not only for music's sake.
I agree. And not for the sake of industry alone. In the big picture
of world survival, (IMHO) we've reached a point where this need for
super-growth is having progressively greater detrimental effects.
--
David Masterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Rational Software (but I don't speak for them)
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:46:53 GMT
David Brown wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >David Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> There are three points that people here seem to have missed while calling
> >> each other names instead of looking at the facts. First, NT can handle
> >> floppies sensibly - you can use the machine while it is accessing a
> floppy.
> >> Win9x still uses DOS to access floppies, and thus stops almost entirely.
> >> Second, NT can multi-task reasonably well, while Win9x is based on a
> >> task-switching OS with added hacks - it is never any good at doing
> several
> >> things at once. Third, NT has a much better threaded version of
> explorer -
> >> long operations (like formating, or big copies) are always done in a
> >> seperate thread, while Win9x has basically a single-threaded explorer -
> it
> >> *always* stops while waiting for a long operation (you need to start a
> new
> >> copy of explorer to keep on working).
> >>
> <snip>
>
> >Doesn't really matter. NT was designed by Dave Cutler in the beginning.
> >He was also the architect of VMS in the 70's. I respect Daves' ability
> >to design and build O/Ses. However, no matter how you slice it, in
> >order to format a floppy disk you need to consume CPU cycles. The
> >software that reports the CPU useage may in fact be buggy or not
> >reporting it accurately enough. An MSCE told me that you can't trust
> >NTs' CPU monitor program and to download a free one from another site.
> >Now if the utility could report 0.0001% CPU useage for that format
> >process then at least you'd know its impact on the system. Giving a 0%
> >useage report is meaningless, knowing that a format is in progress.
> >
>
> Most people on this thread are not quibiling about a few percent CPU use, or
> how accurately it is monitored. One side is claiming that formating a
> floppy is effectively a background operation, and does not interrupt your
> use of the machine (whether it takes 2% or 10% or 0.01% does not really
> matter), which is true of NT. The other side claims that it effectively loc
> ks the machine (whether it takes 90% or 95% or 99.999% does not matter
> either), and this is true of Win9x - in particular, it completly locks the
> explorer process used to start the format.
What my experience tells me is that under Windows 9x
formatting a floppy locks the machine for any useful
purpose, while under windows NT formatting a floppy is
hampered by other CPU activities. Under NT if the CPU is
loaded by other tasks formatting often fails to complete
properly. The same holds true if under NT you perform low
level floppy operations such as copying a disk image to
floppy: if the CPU is loaded by other activities, you get
undocumented error messages and the operation is aborted. If
you do the same under light load conditions, it works
properly. I'm afraid that the "modified microkernel"
technique, which AFAIK is the reason why Dave Cutler left
Microsoft, has something to do with that.
--
Giuliano Colla
Before activating the tongue, make sure that the brain is
connected (anonymous)
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suse vs RH/Mandrake ? (or what's so great about 7.2)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:47:40 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter Köhlmann"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mart van de Wege wrote:
>> Things to dislike SuSE for: extremely KDE-centric (as KDE is a mostly
>> German project this is not surprising), weird filesystem layout
>> (come on, init files in /sbin?!)
>
> No longer true with 7.1.
>
> Peter
>
>
Ok,
So they fixed that. It was not a big deal anyway, just disconcerting. I
stand entirely corrected. Thanks for the info all that replied.
Hope you all don't mind if I keep preferring Debian though :).
Mart
--
Write in C, write in C,
Write in C, yeah, write in C.
Only wimps use BASIC, Write in C.
http://www.orca.bc.ca/spamalbum/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Has Linux anything to offer ?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:55:31 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Francis Van Aeken
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:38:49 +0200
<3abf8cd2$0$30796$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Ed Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Windows is the cheap imitation of an OS which I was discussing.
>
>Linux is a cheap imitation of UNIX.
Windows 9x/NT is a cheap imitation of a usable operating system. :-)
(I couldn't resist. :-) )
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 50d:18h:09m actually running Linux.
Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
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From: spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:10:50 -0800
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:16:05 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > So, you agree that MS _does_ extend standards.
>>
>> On occasion, but usually for good occasions.
>>
>> For example, XML. The XML standard is evolving WAY WAY too slowly
>> and it seems that MS was the only one willing to take matters
>> into their own hands. They continued development, continued
>> developing new features and turning them into the worthless W3C
>> who couldn't keep up with MS.
>
>If this doesn't tell you where Chad is coming from, nothing
>will.
>
Sometimes the utter stupidities he spouts are amazing.
----
Glenn Davies
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:09:01 +1200
The question at hand is why does your government give out subsidies, and price
garentee schemes on unsustainable, inefficient agricultural sector output. Also, that
doesn't include the non-tariff barriers the US has on imports, such as quota's, slow
import documentation processing etc etc The reason why I bring up this question is
that New Zealand is mainly and agricultural based economy (as New Zealand has the
largest Dairy Co-Op in the world). I also must admitt that the US is not the only one
guilty of this hanis crime of protecting inefficient industries, Europe is another
example of over subsidise, inefficient famers getting a hand out.
Matthew Gardiner
chrisv wrote:
> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Very easy accomplised with an ULTRA-ULTRA-ULTRA protected economy, example of this
>
> What a total moron! What a bufoon! What an idiot!
>
> Sorry, but "ULTRA-ULTRA-ULTRA protected" to describe what's obviously
> one of the most open markets in the world? What a stupid sh*t!
>
> By the way, one stupid sheep example does not equal an entire market.
> Moron.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Has Linux anything to offer ?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:22:30 +0100
Peter wrote:
>
> Has Linux seriously anything to offer the average desktop user?
Yes
>
> Is it really a full operating system for the desktop?
Well it has all the features (and more) that any other desktop OS has.
It's a bit trickier to install though.
>
> Does it boot up and shut down quicker than other operating systems?
For me, about the same as Windows
>
> Is software for accessing the Web, Email and Newsgroups the best there is
> available?
Don't know about 'best available' but a lot of the software is pretty
damn good.
Certainly it beats anyting I've seen on Windows or Mac.
>
> Are there more software programs written for the home user in Linux than any
> other system?
No, but there are the apps that most home users actually use.
>
> Do games and graphical programs run faster and better than on other systems?
Well the crafty chess engine on Linux outperforms the equivalent on
Windows
>
> Are CD-R and CD-RW easier to configure and use with Linux?
Duuno
>
> Is the support for Display Cards, DVD, Sound Cards, Large Hard Drives and
> Printers better?
It's as good as the desktop user needs
>
> Is there a really must have program for the home user that is only available
> in Linux?
No idea. Unless you count Linux itself
>
> Is the fact that Linux is free and used by people who do not want to pay for
> anything the only reason it is used?
No. I use it cos IT WORKS!
>
> Finally where would the sales of home computers be today if the only
> operating system was Linux?
>
Well obviously yes. If that was the case Linux would have become more
user friendly.
> Peter
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: "spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Distro Bigotry...
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:28:16 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matthew Gardiner"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am not too sure about your situation, however, I find that Redhat
> (Redhat Linux 7) has little or no interest in KDE, as demonstrated by
> their pathetic ability to include KDE 1.1.2 (which is bloody ancient)
> with their distro, however, they were able to include the latest gnome
> libs etc, so, from my little example, certain distro's have a
> "so-called" biasness to certain destops etc.
I have to agree with you here....and I think this is also tragic. FWIW
Redhat's 7.0.90 release actually has the latest KDE release on it
(excluding the KDE released just in the past couple of days).
I'm still looking for a distro that supports all equally well. (I
half-way expected Charlie to hop in and tell me that Debian does this and
more). I wonder if slackware supports all the WindowManagers/Desktops
equally? Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for the next greatest release of
Debian (or the woody iso images, whichever comes first).
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From: "spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why can't we just all be friends?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:31:32 -0600
In article <3ac08cc8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Brandur K. Jacobsen"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Re: Why can't we just all be friends?
Friends don't let friends drive Microsoft!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Has Linux anything to offer ?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:24:57 +0100
<snip>
> > Is there a really must have program for the home user that is only available
> > in Linux?
>
> Yes. LaTeX. <snicker>
>
Not true. LaTeX is available on other Unices as well. And possibly
others, but I don't know.
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:39:00 -0500
Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:13:44 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >So, you're saying that the same words have less veracity if spoken
> >by a different person.
>
> Unless the two persons manage to speak the same words about the same thing
> meaning the same, iand you have reasons to believe them to the same degree,
> of course the veracity is different!
So, the truth of such a simple statement such as
"[X money] saved is [X money] earned" is ENTIRELY dependant upon who
speaks it.
>
> "I believe in love and world unity" said by Mahatma Ghandi has more
> veracity than "I believe in love and world unity" said by Pol Pot.
That is am evaluation about ONESELF, which of course, varies in truthfulness
from speaker to speaker....which has NOTHING to do with a syllogism
such as "A penny saved is a penny earned."
Hope that helps.
> --
> Roberto Alsina
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
soc.singles,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:41:40 -0500
FM wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >FM wrote:
> >>
> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > FM wrote:
> >> > > And stop mixing two different points together. The first point that the
> >> > > closest CPU-specific optimizations don't necessarily yield the best
> >> > > performance has nothing to do with the second argument that GCC's
> >> > > CPU-specific optimizations are not optimal and possibly insignificant
> >> > > for most applications.
> >> >
> >> > Which does NOT disprove my argument.
> >>
> >> Of course, if you're talking about your original argument that
> >> old shrink-wrap software suffers from performance problems due
> >> to the lack of cpu-specific optimizations (you did not put
> >> forward any argument after that) no one said it did.
> >
> >Then you concede that I am right.
>
> With the qualification that the only thing you're right about is
> what was already obvious to everyone and was never the subject of
> disagreement, yes.
Cleverly obfuscated, but it will suffice.
>
> --
> You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.
> -- John Viscount Morley
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Has Linux anything to offer ?
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:47:31 +0000 (UTC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: <snip>
:> > Is there a really must have program for the home user that is only available
:> > in Linux?
:>
:> Yes. LaTeX. <snicker>
:>
: Not true. LaTeX is available on other Unices as well. And possibly
: others, but I don't know.
Here's teTeX for various Unices:
http://www.tug.org/tetex/
and the MikTeX page for various Win* platforms:
http://www.miktex.org/
(currently down...*shrug*)
The MikTeX previewer is nice for printing draft copies on
brain-dead WinPrinters, and the rest is no doubt a fine
implementation. I just haven't had the need to use it for
anything else.
It's nice getting out of word processor hell...
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