Linux-Advocacy Digest #153, Volume #33 Wed, 28 Mar 01 05:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor (GreyCloud)
Re: Linux dying ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux dying ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better (Nick
Condon)
Re: Communism (Gunner ©)
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Windoze multitasking (Barry Manilow)
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism (GreyCloud)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP. (Brian Rourke)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:10:08 -0800
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said Jan Johanson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 25 Mar 2001 15:01:21
> > [...]
> > >AHHAHAHAH peter - you are so funny, that cute little .VBS file you
> attached.
> > >hehehe - did you really think that a) I would just double click on it
> cause
> > >it says "i love windows", b) did you really think that any NT/W2K
> advocate
> > >worth one half his salt doesn't have "hide extensions" turned off so
> seeing
> > >past the cutsey .txt.vbs shit is even easier than c) didn't think I'd
> > >recognize the icon for a script versus a text file and d) didn't have
> > >virus/script checking enabled and updated or e) trust a linuvocate
> > >whatsoever?
> >
> > Notice that had *any* of those conditions not been true, you'd have been
> > vulnerable, regardless of whether the remainder were or not. Gotta love
> > that Windows!
>
> Not at all true but you can't handle the truth...
Gee, if thats not true how can you explains this??
* Have You Heard...Compaq has been left red faced by a defacement
double whammy as two of its sub domains were vandalized by two
different hacking groups?
Publication: vnunet.com
Issue Date: 22 March 2001
Title: Compaq Websites Suffer Double Hack
http://www.vnunet.com/News/1119535
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:12:19 +0200
"Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:99r45t$4mt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > ANY company making profits in the 10 digit range is as healthy as I can
> > imagine!
> >
>
> I don't know what your background is, but I'm damn sure it's not
economics.
>
> ROI (Return on investment) look it up.
Profit != Income
If the company makes a 10 digit *profits*, then it's healthy.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:13:38 +0200
"Interconnect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:99r4pq$5hi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3abe4f75$0$48801$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brent R wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Seriously... it's a bargain market right now... the chance that
> > > >Microsoft will be in business 5 years from now is a lot better than
a
> > > >Linux company's chance. Even though I have conflicing views on their
> > > >products, Microsoft is a sure bet and solid as a rock.
> > > >--
> > > >- Brent
> > > >
> > >
> > > Seriously, anybody who thinks Linux will just blow away is a
> > > total fool.
> >
> > blow away? disappear? not likely, not soon at least. but, so what...
what
> > good is it if you have a great underground user base of loyal linux
> users...
> > so? all we can hope for as that they'll just go away quietly to their
own
> > little world... far far away from reality...
> >
> > >
> > > Even if the commercial market turned away from the product,
> > > Linux will still be there and be developed. It already has
> > > a loyal user base and that user base is unshakable.
> > >
> > > Anytime you put a FREE product on the market against a commercialized,
> > > expensive, copyrighted product - the FREE product will win.
> >
> > really? EVERY time? can you name some others?
>
> Sure remember how Microsoft gave away explorer for FREE to eventually
> dominate Netscape.
>
> Also there is something called *DUMPING* ask a business or economics major
> what this means, it's legality and the effects of this practise. Not
always
> *free* but attempts to achieve the same result by massive price
reductions.
Nope.
Explorer didn't take off until version 4, in which NS was *bad*, and IE just
got better.
It was always free, but until it showed considerable advantage over NS, it
didn't help it very much.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:23:57 +0200
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > I said before that NT is more stable *as an OS*, because the point is,
> > as a *platform*, its every bit as unreliable as any other Windows. And
> > this, of course, is where the bad design of Windows really shines. NT,
> > of course (including W2K and XP) doesn't fall over every time an
> > application coughs up a lung, like WinDOS does. But it does crash,
> > bomb, freeze, lock, wedge, glitch, or otherwise require a
> > re-initialization (to arbitrary extent) on a routine basis.
Windows CodeName Whistler, Build 2296
Uptime: 24 days, 19 hours, 23 Minutes, 20 seconds.
Reason for last reboot: Needed to installed another PCI video adapter.
Tasks for next reboot: Need to take out the PCI Video adapter.
Next reboot due at: When I get XP final.
Computer uses: Email, Internet, Development (C/C++, Java, VB, .NET, ASP), TS
Server, firewall, internet connection sharing, Word/Power Point, IIS & FTP
server (light load, except when developing).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Condon)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, was Why open source software is better
Date: 28 Mar 2001 09:43:05 GMT
Jay Maynard wrote:
>>Never say, "never happen!" No, no, no... You never know what some
>>people are doing to remove the mindlessness from the situation.
>
>If it means making people's intellectual work worthless, then you will
>never succeed in that endeavor.
What a mercenary mindset you have.
zero cost != worthless
--
Nick
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From: Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:44:59 -0800
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
>> will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
>> medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
But they got real good at shooting down Cessnas......
--
"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:45:32 -0500
David Brown wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote in message ...
> >David Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> GreyCloud wrote in message ...
> >> >
> >> >Thats because we have one very important ingredient... FREEDOM!
> >> >We can either choose or not to choose without having a gun held to your
> >> >head.
> >> >Take a look at Cuba.. go live there and tell me its a good life. Food
> >> >problems, scrounging for very little goods, while one fat chicken fucker
> >> >Castro reaps the benefits of the poors' labor.
> >> >
> >>
> >> What do you mean by freedom? A Cuban today can critisise his/her
> government
> >> with much more freedom than Americans in the Macarthy days. Of all
> >> dictorships in the world, Cuba is probably the freest, and one that works
> >> hardest for the benifit of the people (just look at its health system -
> >> despite the lack of money and materials, it takes much better care of the
> >> poor than the US health system). In Cuba, there are great limitations
> such
> >> as the choice of goods in shops and the prospect of trade with other
> >> countries, but that the limits apply to the country as a whole. Cuba's
> main
> >> problems stem mostly from USA's inhumane oppression of the country.
> >
> >I have freedom to make as much money as I know how. I can live in the
> >lifestyle of my choosing.
>
> And those that don't know how are left behind in the dirt. The US system is
> obsessively money-oriented - more so than any other capatilist country.
>
That is how you determine whether your product is more valuable than
the resources it consumes.
COMMUNISM FAILS precisely because be removing the constant reminder
of the relative values of production vs. inputs (including the cost
of keeping your labor force alive and happy), it throws away valuable
resources on relatively worthless products.
> I am not trying to argue for or against capatilism or communism - each
> system has its advantages and disadvantages. But within these classes,
> there is a wide range of attitudes and philosophies. Cuba is a communist
> country which makes a great effort to care for its citizens - the USA is a
> capatilist country which takes great care to disregard its citizens'
> well-being entirely. After all, its a free country and a free market - if
> you can't afford your medical bill, try a cheaper hospital. And if you
> can't do that, you are free to choose a lifestyle with a high income so that
> you can afford treatment (spot the flaw in this reasoning).
Capitalism is about being ALLOWED TO CHOOSE to take the path of
success or failure.
If you choose to fail, that's your problem, not mine.
Conversely, under communism, some bureacrat someplace is attempting
to micromanage your life....for *HIS* benefit, and at your expense.
> >I have observed nothing but squalor down
> >there. Only the U.S. does not do business with them. The other
> >countries do business with Cuba.
>
> The US forces other countries to comply with their arrogant and petty
> mallous towards Cuba. Yes, other countries can trade with Cuba, but the US
> makes sure it costs them.
>
Actually not.
> >So why hasn't the squalor been taken
> >care of?
>
> Um, because the US is trying to strangle the country? The US makes great
> noises about its love of freedom, but it seems to be very keen on forcing
> the rest of the world to follow its version of "freedom".
When Cuba actually has money, they are free to import whatever the
fuck they want. The problem with Cuba is, trying to run a business
there according to economically sane business procedures is illegal.
>
> >You call that good?? Why do we see our own Coast Guard
> >turning back Cubans on life rafts, boats, or whatever they are floating
> >on? Why are their own people leaving and risking their lives to
> >leave?? No one is stopping people leaving our borders. Think again
> >about the freedom issue. I have been in foreign countries and believe
> >me we got it made in this country as compared to a lot of others.
>
> In the US, there is the *potential* to have a better life and more money
> (same thing, really, in the US). Many people think it is worth the gamble,
> and move there from all over the world, from both capatist and communist
> countries. Most fail.
>
> >
> >> Don't make the mistake of judging all countries alike just because they
> have
> >> a dictator. Castro is not "reaping the benifits of the poor's labour" -
> >> even if he wanted to, he could not because he can't sell the country's
> >> products on a fair market. There are any number of other countries in
> South
> >> America and Africa with far more corrupt dictatorships which are well
> >> supported by the US and friends, just because they have the name
> "democracy"
> >> instead of "communism". Who cares that there is only one name allowed on
> >> the ballot paper, as long as they are not communist?
> >>
> >All countries are not alike. How would you know that Castro is not
> >reaping the benefits of his people?? I see no evidence of his people
> >living in a good lifestyle.
>
> Where is your evidence that Castro is living a good lifestyle? In many
> African countries (and in other parts of the world), the corruption is
> obvious - while most of the people starve, the president ("democratically"
> ellected by cutting off the hands of the opponent's supporters) lives in a
> grand palace with great luxury. But somehow this is OK for the US (and
> other western countries - Europe is not entirely blameless).
>
> >I've seen in Panama people that live in
> >squalor too. That gov. has taken a different path of money laundering.
> >Isn't it odd that the down town strip is loaded with Bank Of America,
> >Chase Manhatten, ETc. The shoe shine boys don't deposit their money
> >there and making the banks rich. The banks there get rich laundering
> >money. The world is a corrupt place, and I didn't make it I just try to
> >live in it. But I'd rather not live in any communist country.
>
> So Panama is very corrupt. What difference does that make to Cuba? Is
> Panama capatalist or communist (or something else entirely)?
>
> >
> >> And look at the US itself - the president is "elected" on the basis of
> being
> >> the richest and most manipulative, and having the right friends in the
> right
> >> places - so what if the other guy got more votes across the country as a
> >> whole?
> >
> >--
> >V
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Windoze multitasking
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:48:24 -0800
"Paul 'Z' Ewande®" wrote:
> All this under Win98SE. Not too shabby for a DOS based piece of crap. BTW,
> i'm not the only one who thinks that Win9x multitasking abilities aren't
> that far behind WinNT.
>
> From http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/2q99/g3-350/g3-350-5.html
>
> "I'm willing to wager that MacOS 8.6 will improve this score, though I'm not
> certain it will raise it to the level of NT (which, by the way, is not that
> much more efficient than Windows 9x in terms of multitasking, although it's
> certainly more stable.)".
>
Ee gads! That is awful! So does Win2K multitask any better than NT?
--
Bob
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 04:48:15 -0500
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 02:08:16 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Terry Porter wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:35:38 GMT, Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Of course, all software worth having costs money. Only broken lawn
> >> >chairs and 8-tracks are given away for free.
> >>
> >> In the Free Software world, the above statement is definitely false.
> >>
> >> Try www.geda.org and run the free Linux electronic design software there, then
> >> tell me how much better the comercial offerings (costing around $5k) are?
> >
> >Georgia Economic Development Association.
> >
> >Can you check that URL again?
> Oops its :-
>
> http://www.geda.seul.org
>
> My applogies for the error folks :)
>
> Terry
Thanks...I've been looking for EXACTLY this kind of thing for some time.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:56:28 -0800
Barry Manilow wrote:
>
> Craig Kelley wrote:
> >
> > Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have freedom to make as much money as I know how.
> > >
> > > The problem with this freedom is that this right ends up killing a lot
> > > of hard-working, decent human beings. That is why capitalism is a
> > > murdering system. It kills millions of people every year in the
> > > world.
> >
> > As opposed to *what*, exactly.
> >
> > Cuba, North Korea and China are not paragons of virtue.
>
> China is practically a capitalist country right now.
>
China uses slave labor to produce its exports. That isn't capitalism,
its exploitation.
But then again, in your case seeing that you may live in Cuba and may
have been raised there since birth, you probably really don't know what
a good lifestyle is. Its relative to your experiences. Eventually,
capitalism will slowly topple the communist system.
In the ex-soviet state back in the mid 60's, the soviets used to design
and build their own computers. However, they made a change and decided
it was easier to just steal the superior american computer systems by
buying them thru third party channels. The soviet state looks the same
today as it did in 1946. Total stagnation.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 05:00:56 -0500
"Gunner ©" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Barry Manilow wrote:
> >
> >> Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
> >> will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
> >> medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
>
> But they got real good at shooting down Cessnas......
> --
I *KNEW* there was a good reason for cross-posting this to a group you read :-)
> "Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
> clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
> so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I regretfully conclude that Linux is a piece of CRAP.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 03:16:44 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:36:04 -0800, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Brian Rourke wrote:
>>
>> On 28 Mar 2001 02:11:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:53:18 -0700, Brian Rourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>On 27 Mar 2001 03:20:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
>> >>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>*snip*
>> >>>
>> >>>May I suggest a good book such as O'Riely's "Running Linux" as a means for you
>> >>>to obtain some understanding of the basics of installing and running Linux ?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>I've thought about buying this several times.
>> >>
>> >>>In 1997 thats what I used, and a $6.50 Cheapbytes CD, containing RedHat4.2.
>> >>>I read that book 3 times, and used a seperate hard drive for Linux, in other
>> >>>words I'd actually swap hard drives when I wanted to run Linux or Win95.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>I'm coming to the conclusion that the separate hard drive may be the
>> >>way to go, based on your advice and that of several other people.
>> >Actually, ... now that I've a little more experience, if I could do it again
>> >I'd buy another pc, and network the new Linux box and the Windows box, and move
>> >the one set of keyboard and monitorbetween them as I wished.
>>
>> A very good, if expensive (for me) idea. Someday...maybe...
>>
>> >
>> >This way I could set up a Samba file share on the Linux box and copy all my
>> >Windows files to the Linux box, making the transition as painless as possible.
>> >I also make it a point to 'ruin' a new disto afew times and see how hard it is
>> >to recover, or what I can get away with, before I start depending on the
>> >install.
>> >
>>
>> Another good idea I wouldn't have thought of.
>>
>> >With a seperate Linux box, if you stuff it up, you still have your working
>> >(tongue in cheek) Windows box to fall back on.
>> >
>>
>> Working Windows....if only. You know what happens when you fall back
>> on a Window...
>>
>> >
>> >The Linux box need not be anything special, unless you want speedy Xwindows
>> >response, and even then, something like my Cyrix 686/300 with 128megs ram is
>> >plenty.
>> >
>> >Second hand NE2000 network cards will usually be found on boot up by Linux,
>> >the main trouble will be Windows, where you may have to tell it the interrupt
>> >settings of the card if its a isa bus unit.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>>At first, as I came from a DOS/Windows world, Linux was totally strange to me,
>> >>>and it took a while for me to come to grips with it, but after about 6 months
>> >>>I changed over to Linux permently following a motherboard upgrade that while
>> >>>having no effect on Linux, rendered Windows unusable.
>> >>>
>> >>>I also read COLA for 12 months before posting,n as people like the famous
>> >>>Alexander Viro had no time for fools and would rip yer head off, if you didn't
>> >>>think about your post carefully, before posting it :)
>> >>
>> >>Yep, off to the newbie groups for me!
>> >A book will do a *lot* for your understanding, and if no one on the help groups
>> >has solved your particular problem before, you probably wont get any replies to
>> >requests for help. I've found that people only reply to problems that they have
>> >had and solved themselves.
>> >
>>
>> Yes, that's been my experience. When I was doing google searches, I
>> noted that people who had experiences similar to mine didn't get
>> responses in the help groups.
>>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>Good luck with Linux, a bad start can only get better, and you dont have to
>> >>>spend lots of money to get a working Linux install. As stated before, my initial
>> >>>foray cost me about $60 for the book (huge book) and $6.50 for the CD.
>> >>>
>> >>>I have never bought a commercial boxed Linux disto.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>I definitely will think hard before doing it again.
>> >Hahah, giving Linux away so soon ?
>> >You can't escape you know, once the Linux bug bites its only a matter of time
>> >before you *have* to try again ;-)
>> >
>>
>> Uh oh... That may be true, though. I'm already curious to try new
>> things, but I'll have to wait until I have a good block of time.
>>
>> >Actually I realise I was incorrect when I said I have never bought a commercial
>> >disto before (sorry forgot). I bought my first Linux disto in 1993, the
>> >Yggdrassil shrink wrapped CD and small 'Windows like' booklet.
>> >
>>
>> Aha! Well I won't tell anyone.
>>
>> >I put the CD and the boot floppy in my homemade pc (Cyrix 486SLC with 8 megs
>> >ram) and it booted, made a ram based install, found my network card, sound card
>> >and video card.
>> >
>> >I was presented with a working Linux install, (including Xwindows that was mega
>> >slow)!!
>> >
>> >Unfortunately I didn't have a clue, playing X othello was fun, but I couldn't
>> >even mount a floppy, as I was totally clueless!
>> >
>> >So I shelved it for 4 years, under interesting but too strange.
>> >
>> >If you think Linux is too strange also, be aware that Linux is not new, its
>> >a clone of UNIX which was first released in 1972, and has sound reasons for
>> >its design, even if one isnt aware of them :)
>> >
>>
>> I had some small UNIX experience a long time ago. I basically liked
>> it.
>>
>> >Allow a couple of years, 1-3 books, lots of reading and experimentation before
>> >you start to feel at home with Linux, having come from a Windows environment.
>>
>> It's good to have a sense of what to expect, thanks.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Thanks for all the advice and the interesting comments.
>> >You're wecome, it's fun talking to a pissed off Linux user instead of a
>> >Wintroll :)
>>
>> Likewise, thanks. I wonder if the Wintrolls live in a little office
>> in Redmond, or whatever that town's name is.
>>
>
>Yep. Its Redmond allright. It used to be a nice quiet area until it got
>industrialized.
>MS has hired so many people that the freeways are almost in gridlock
>most of the time now. It rains so much here that most of the MS crew
>have moss growing on their backs and webbing between their toes.
>
>
Yes, that's pretty much been my impression, the few times I've
traveled through that area. Between the loggers and Microsoft it
should be an interesting looking place in about 5 years.
It does rain a lot up there. Nature's revenge perhaps.
Brian
The late spring sunshine flooded,
like a bursted tepid star,
the pink Boulevard. The people
beneath crawled like wounded insects
of cloth.
Wyndham Lewis
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