Linux-Advocacy Digest #153, Volume #34 Thu, 3 May 01 12:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4 ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Bill Hudson admits that he, Dave Casey, V-man and Redc1c4
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:28:01 -0400
billh wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>
> > > From CJCSM 3500.04, Universal Joint Task List, there are four levels:
> > > Strategic National, Strategic Theater, Operational, and Tactical.
> > > Strategic National is the execution of the National Military Strategy.
> > > Strategic Theater is the execution of Theater and Campaign Strategy.
> >
> > Which the C-130 is FULLY capable of supporting.
>
> You're even pathetic on the wannabe scale. You don't even know the
> definition of tactical airlift and strategic airlift. Hint: it can not be
> found above. Shall I hold your pathetic wannabe hand and give you the cite
> and definitions for these too, "war-hero"?
Let's see now.
http://www.google.com/search?q=strategic+C-130
Separating the wheat from the chaff, we get a mighty fine array of citations:
[1]
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-130.htm
The standard C-130J has essentially the same dimensions as the C-130E/H
but the J-30 (stretched version) is 15 feet longer. The J-30 incorporates
two extension plugs, one forward and one aft. The foward plug is 100 inches
long while the rear plug is 80 inches for a total of 180 inches or 15 feet.
With its 3,000 nautical mile range, increased speed, and air refueling
capability, it complements the C-5/C-17 airlift team. The J-30 can work
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
in the strategic, as well as tactical or intratheater, environment. The
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^
J-30 can be an effective force multiplier in executing the US Army Strategic
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Brigade Airdrop (SBA). The J-30 can airdrop 100% of the SBA requirement.
No longer is it necessary to expend scarce heavy lift resources on strategic
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
contingency requirements. Whether it's a channel, special airlift, training,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
or contingency airdrop mission, the J-30 can handle it all at a significantly
reduced cost.
[2]
http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/int_05.htm
Italy: The 50° squadron part of the 46 Brigata Aerea,
operate 12 C-130Hs on strategic Airlift duties.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[3]
http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/int_02.htm
Canadian Air Force
429 (Transport Squadron) The squadron operates the CC-130 Hercules aircraft
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
in both strategic and tactical airlift roles.
[4]
http://www.sunnersberg.com/c1_c3_hercules.htm
The Lockheed C-130 Hercules is the most numerous transport aircraft in the
West and has been in production longer than any other aircraft in history.
The prototype flew in August 1954 and since then over 60 nations have ordered
the Hercules. Those in use by the RAF are C-130K versions (known as Hercules
C1 and C3) and initial deliveries (of a total of 66 ordered) were made during
the mid-1960s and many are destined to remain in service for some years to come,
although about half of the fleet are now being replaced by the updated C-130J
(Hercules C4 and C5).
The two versions in front-line service are the C1 and the C3. The first C3
was converted in 1979 by inserting a 15-ft fuselage extension which allows
the aircraft to carry a 30% larger load than the standard version. Four
aircraft were also modified as air-to-air refuelling aircraft, but have since
retired and one aircraft has been heavily modified to carry meteorological
survey instrumumentation. The Hercules is the backbone of the RAF tactical
transport fleet and is capable of operating from short, unprepared strips
and can airdrop troops or stores. It also has the endurance to mount
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
long-range strategic airlift missions.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[5]
How about the United Kingdom's ROYAL AIR FORCE?
http://www.rin.org.uk/env/personnel.html
Sqn Ldr Tony Cowan first learned to fly whilst a member of the Air
Training Corps. He entered the RAF in 1969 and, after flying training,
joined No 26 Sqn to fly the C-130 Hercules in both the tactical and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
strategic air transport roles.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Site Sponsored by the Royal Institute of Navigation.
[6]
http://british-forces.com/cig/aircraft/c-130.html
Aircraft
C-130 Hercules
Role
...
...
...
Strategic Reconaissance
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[7]
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/dd77148e.html
Malaysia has also purchased VIP-use helicopters from United Technologies'
Sikorsky unit, Lockheed-Martin's C-130 strategic transport aircraft,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
U.S.-made M-16 rifles, and a host of other products and systems.
How about American military contractors?
[8]
And here we have GM Defense systems, manufacturer of the LAV III:
http://www.gdls.com/releases/IAV_Specsheet.pdf
Deployability:
Strategic C-130, C-5, C-17 Air Transport
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[9]
How about the MANUFACTURER of the C-130, Lockheed Martin....
http://news.lmasc.com/article.htm?article_id=57
In fact, the requirement originally filled by the C-130 grew out of the
Berlin Airlift as U.S. military planners saw the need for a rugged
tactical airlifter able to deliver large payloads to even the most
remote airfield. With improvements in propulsion found in the C-130J
and the longer C-130J-30, the aircraft now fits into a wider role,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
serving both tactical and strategic roles.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hmmmmmmm, even Lockheed Martin agrees with Specialist Kulkis
and DISAGREES WITH 2nd Lieutenant BILL HUDSON.
[10]
What does the US Army say?
http://www.monmouth.army.mil/monmessg/newmonmsg/mar102000/10plane.htm
Fort Monmouth recently took delivery of a C-130 hull recovered from
Davis-Monthan Air Force Base near Tucson, Ariz.
While little is known about the history of the aircraft delivered here,
the C-130 has been the Air Force workhorse for long-range strategic airlift
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
over the past 40 years. This particular hull is an "E" Model with tail
number 63-7806 that was built at the Lockheed Plant in Marietta, Ga. in 1965.
[11]
and here is US Military Traffic Management Command
http://www.tea.army.mil/dpe/Aircraft.htm
Air transport by fixed-wing aircraft is the most important transportation mode
in terms of rapid strategic mobility. The need for equipment to be transported
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
by C-130, C-141, C-5 and C-17 cannot be overemphasized.
^^^^^
......
The airfield requirement for the 155,000-pound capability of the C-130 is
use of a paved landing strip of at least 3,000-foot length and 60 foot
width for tactical assault operations. Non-tactical assault operations
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
require a 5,000-foot length and 80 foot width runway.
Clue for the Clueless 2nd Lieutenant Bill Hudson:
non-tactical assault operations = STRATEGIC
[12]
Another US ARMY Site:
http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/55-65/ch4.pdf
Air Movement Operations
....
AIR FORCE AIRLIFT AIRCRAFT
4-4 Deployment planners must be familiar with the types of
available aircraft and their characteristics. The aircraft
of primary concern are the C-141, C-5, C-17, and KC-10.
The C-130 mayb be used for strategic movement, but it is
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
normally used in a theater role.
Yet another Clue for the Clueless Bill Hudson:
"Normally used for" does NOT equal "limited to"
and at yet ANOTHER US ARMY SITE we have the page for the
Joint (US Army and US Marines) Program Manager, Lightweight
155mm towed howitzer.
[13]
http://www.ado.army.mil/weapons/firesupt/lw155.htm
Lightweight 155 (LW 155)
Light Division
The US Army (Army) will use the Lightweight 155 (LW 155), formerly
known as the Advanced Towed Cannon System (ATCAS),.....
....
GENERAL REQUIREMENTS:
.....
Strategic Lift: 2 in C-130; LW155 w/ PM C-141B, and larger
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Seems that the Program manager at the Directorate of Intigration
also agrees (with me) that the C-130
[14]
Another US ARMY site:
http://enterpriseconsultancy.cs.amedd.army.mil/asp/result.asp?I=36296091947
I S S U E
(845) Forward Surgical Teams (FST) Need IV Infusion Pumps
* Whenever any item of equipment or supply is added to a TOE or MES, its
impact upon strategic deployability and tactical mobility must be
analyzed. Currently, the FST`s strategic deployability requirement is one
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
C-130 aircraft when vehicles/trailers are not included, and four C-130
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
aircraft when vehicles/trailers are deployed.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[15]
Here we have an article on the JRTC:
http://call.army.mil/products/trngqtr/tq1-00/chapc.htm
JRTC Fire Support Pre-Rotation Guide
....
If option one is selected, strategic airlift chalks will go through JI in
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
chalk order then reconfigure for tactical road march into the area of operation.
The purpose of JI for the strategic airlift chalks is to simulate the actual
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
deployment JI that would have occurred at home station before deployment to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[Deleted]. The vehicles designated for tactical airflow will also go through JI.
^^^^^^^^
Actual C-130 chalks will fly and notional C-130 chalks will be loaded into
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
C-130 mock-ups then deploy into the area of operation via road convoy IAW
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
.... only the actual C-130 chalks are JId and the strategic and notional
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
C-130 chalks move by tactical road march IAW the [Deleted] movement table.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Notice ALL the talk about SIMULATING THE **ACTUAL** STRATEGIC DEPLOYMENT
and EVERY reference to an aircraft is a C-130.
Once again, the US Army agrees with Specialist Aaron R. Kulkis, NOT Bill Hudson.
[21]
And, let's see what THE UNITED STATES AIRFORCE says about the C-130
Hercules as a strategic airlift platform
And here is on from the US 21st Air Force's own site
http://www.mcguire.af.mil/PA/news/21stfact.htm
The 21st AF strategic airlift force includes C-141 Starlifter,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
C-130 Hercules, C-5 Galaxy, and the C-17 Globemaster III
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
aircraft, used to move cargo and passengers worldwide.
[22]
And last, but not least, lets see what the people who are currently
developing our FUTURE doctrines say:
http://books.nap.edu/books/0309063787/html/134.html#pagetop
REDUCING THE LOGISTICS BURDEN FOR THE ARMY AFTER NEXT
[Page 134]
.....Depending on the geography and enemy situation in the
battle area, C-130 aricrat could be used for either operational
or strategic lift.
Looks like the retired generals agree with Specialist Kulkis,
and, once again, DISAGREE with 2nd Lieutenant Bill Hudson.
So, I have 22 separate citations, 10 of which are from the UNITED STATES ARMY,
and ONE FROM the US 21st AIR FORCE, and one from THE VERY PEOPLE WHO WRITE
YOUR PRECIOUS DOCTRINAL BOOKS, which ***ALL*** classify the C-130
as a strategic airlift platform.
There are THOUSANDS more like this, but I think anybody with a brain
can get the picture
GAME
SET
MATCH
> You obviously don't know what they mean,
According the the sources above, and THOUSANDS OF OTHERS, it's
quite obvious that *I* do and you, Cadidiot Bill Hudson, do not.
Be careful, or they might demote you from 3 spots down to a single DOT.
> thus you consistently use them inappropriately. If you plan on communicating
> effectively with others in the profession you must understand the meaning of
> the terms used.
Your TOTAL reliance upon a trifling sentance or two in a doctrine manual
which may be rewritten by TRADOC next month, rather than getting a good
INTERNAL understanding of a concept.... will be your downfall.
>
> As a soldier you must first learn the doctrine of how your Army and its
> units operate today, or you'll have nothing to which you can apply the
> lessons of history. Of course you are only a ten year time in grade
As an officer, you had better understand military terms at a better
level than some TRADOC publication. You obviously have ZERO internal
understanding of the word, which is why you reject any usage of the
word "strategic" which doesn't PRECISELY fit with your Field Manual
reference.
YOU CAN'T FUCKING THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!!! YOU ARE A DANGER TO
YOURSELF, AND ANY AND ALL PERSONNEL UNDER YOUR COMMAND!!!!!
This is why you, Bill Hudson, are a fucking DISGRACE to the officer corps.
> Specialist so you not are expected to understand the intricacies of planning
> and executing military operations; however, when you spout incorrectly about
> even the most basic military knowledge in an attempt to impress others with
> your vast military knowledge, you must expect to be called upon it.
Apparently, I am FAR more of a clue about "basic military knowledge",
such as the MEANING of "strategic airlift" than do you, Bill Hudson.
Either that, or the 21st Air Force doesn't know what Strategic Airlift is.
Hope that fucking helps, you clueless moron.
>
> > Oh, and while you're at it, tell us again about your bizarre theory
> > that German, Japanese, North Korean, Chinese, Viet Cong, and North
> > Vietnamese never shot at well-marked American medical personnel,
> > vehicles, and installations.
>
> LOL!!!
You'll really be laughing when you get twice passed-over for promotion.
Q. Do you know the difference between Specialist Kulkis and Bill Hudson?
A. Specialist Kulkis has been promoted more in the past, and will
be promoted AGAIN before Bill Hudson ever is.
Bwwwaaaaaaaaaaahahahah.
Do your country a favor, Bill, and join the Chinese People's Liberation
Army. With enough officers like you, they won't even be able to resist
an invasion by the Laotian army, let alone threaten the US.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list by posting to comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Advocacy Digest
******************************
