Linux-Advocacy Digest #273, Volume #33 Mon, 2 Apr 01 05:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism (Mathew)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 04:23:03 -0400
Beth wrote:
>
> People, people...give up the "party line" BS and face facts:
>
> ALL political systems are crap.
>
> Communism is crap.
> Capitalism is crap.
>
> To badly paraphrase Churchill, "Democracy is crap but it's the best we've
> thought up so far"...
>
> I mean, if you want to get your kicks from needlessly arguing back and forth
> about "lefties" and "facists" then feel free but you'll get nowhere
> fast...what you think all the political thinkers since the dawn of time have
> been doing? This argument: "selfishness" vs. "altruism", me vs. you,
> blah-blah-blah...is the oldest thing mankind has fought over...
>
> It's interesting that someone pointed out the very close parallels between
> Hitler (far, far right) and Stalin (far left)...don't you get it? Both ideas
> at their extremes are more or less identical...they are BOTH CRAP...
Yes, SOCIALISM in all it's forms is craps.
How such observations indight the US Constitution, which is specifically
ANTI-socialist, is beyond me.
>
> Also, note that captialistic countries were/aren't/won't be purely
> capitalistic and communistic countries were/aren't/won't be purely
> communistic...they are ideals that cannot be physically reached...and, if
> they were, then BOTH would collapse...
>
> For instance, in a pure capitalistic environment, then an individual would
> be striving for monopoly...it's the ideal state that a capitalist can aim
> for...BUT, as every capitalistic country knows, you CAN'T allow monopoly
> because, ironically, it's a communist dictatorship you're aiming for in the
> ideal...
>
> Let me just re-iterate: THEY ARE *ALL* CRAP...
Liberty is *never* crap.
>
> Beth :)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:28:28 +1000
On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Mathew wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > > Mathew wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mathew wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mathew wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anonymous wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) eeped:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >Barry Manilow wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Craig Kelley wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Barry Manilow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > I have freedom to make as much money as I know how.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > The problem with this freedom is that this right ends up
>killing a lot
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > of hard-working, decent human beings. That is why
>capitalism is a
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > murdering system. It kills millions of people every year
>in the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > world.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > As opposed to *what*, exactly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Cuba, North Korea and China are not paragons of virtue.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> China is practically a capitalist country right now.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Yes, they are beginning to see the light.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >However, the brutal ways of their Communist Revolution and
> > > > > > > > > > > >subsequent Cultural Revolution are still with them.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > comp.os.linux.advocacy.and.debate.on.communism.vs.capitalism
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > yay capitalism!
> > > > > > > > > > speaking of which, microsoft has done rather well under the free
>market
> > > > > > > > > > system don't you think?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Actually, Microsoft has practiced a deliberate campaign of subverting
> > > > > > > > > the free market.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's why their always in court.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Its called monopoly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Having a monopoly is not illegal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Engaging in a pattern of anti-competitive behavior to gain and hold
> > > > > > > the monopoly *is*.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Numerous monopolies work on this premise.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And any and all which do are operating illegally.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, a good little Communist like Mathew is all for monopolies...
> > > > > as long as it's a GOVERNMENT monopoly...
> > > >
> > > > Do you have orgasms spewing this bullshit about me?
> > >
> > >
> > > Truth hurts, eh?
> >
> > No.Your truth is not mine.
>
> Wrong, truth is not *owned*. It is not subjective.
> Something is either true, or it is not. Facts are UNIVERSAL.
> Hope that helps.
>
> > But what is the truth then,since you only say
> > little snide things like " a little dictatro like you," "A marxist like you".
>
> You have advocated many marxist policies, and so far, failed to tell us
> even on marxist policy position with which you disagree.
Well what the hell are these Marxist policies I have freaking advocated?
I have never even read Marx,so how the hell would I know what his
policies were.
>
> Therefore, the evidence shows that you are, in fact, a marxist.
And evidence shows you are a pyscho.
> If you wish to change that perception, then please give us some
> evidence to go on...tell us what marxist policies you disagree with.
Name and describe them in full and I will tell you.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Is there any reason that you insinuate things about me,that I have never
> > > > even given my opinion of?
> > >
> > >
> > > Please cite how your philosophical view of government policy
> > > differs from that of Communist philosophy.
> >
> > No! You cite where I have cited my views on govt policy in full,since you
> > are saying they are communinistic.
>
> Your endorsement of marxist policies.
> Hop that helps.
Your endorsement of the need to treat mentally ill people,like
yourself,who think they need to overthrow all of the world's
govt and imprison everyone who does not agree with your point of view;all
of these people are diabolical Marxists according to you.
>
> >
> > I have not even written a paragraph on what my views are.
>
> Oh, but you do. You see, when someone writes in opposition of some
> marxist policy...and you defend the marxist policy...then it is
> quite clear to the reader EXACTLY what your views are.
Time to take your tranquilizers now.
> Hope that helps.
>
> > I did say that I beleived Microsoft was in the wrong in their anti-trust
> > suite.You agreed.
>
> Yes, even a stopped clock like you is correct on occasion.
> However, that doesn't make it a reliable indicator of the time.
Funny how people of your political ideology here on this list,
strongly disagreed with me on this.
They called me Marxist and Communist too.
> >
> > >
> > > Accuracy counts, so be precise.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This is the true menatlity of an immature person,either emotinally or
> > > > intellectually.It quite sounds like what a fascist says.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No... actually, I just decided to start calling you people
> > > for what you are.
> >
> > And if you are wrong what do you do?
> >
>
> First, demonstrate that I'm wrong. Tell us about all of the marxist
> policies which you disagree with. Until then, questions about what
> I do when I'm wrong are rather moot, dontcha think...
>
>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > tee hee!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > p.s. why are so many linux users fat ugly beardos?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > jest axin
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than
>ruin,
> > > > > > > > > > more even than death
> > > > > > > > > > - bertrand russell
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > > > > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 04:30:45 -0400
Scott Erb wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Scott Erb wrote:
>
> -snip a bunch of insults and lame attacks-
Translation: Scott can't argue against them, so he uses the old
"delete the irrefutable argument" method.
GAME
SET
MATCH
>
> > FUCK YOU and your LYING PROPAGANDA SPEWING ASS.
>
> I'll keep correcting you with facts, and showing how your claims,
> unsubstantiated and unsupported, are dead wrong.
>
> If you don't like it, feel free to hurl more insults.
>
I'll call out LYING PROPAGANDA SPEWING CLOSET-DICTATORS like you every
time I encounter you.
> > There is no "democratic" about it. We are a Republic. More
> > specifically, we are a CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED REPUBLIC.
>
> The proper term is a Democratic Republic, or, as I explained, a Liberal
> Democracy. You are simply wrong, I've even pointed to books, I can give
> you some more cites if you want.
Strange...no English language dictionary that *I* know of defines
those words according to your definitions.
>
> But since they contradict your silly whims, you'll just call it
> propaganda, and rely on your unsupported assertions. Very lame. But
> very easy to slap down.
>
> > NOWHERE in *ANY* government laws and sort of democratic *anything*
> > allowed at the State or Federal level.
>
> You're wrong. The day for elections is even specified, elections are
> part of democracy. Certainly we don't have pure, crude democracy of
> unlimited majority rule. No one is arguing for that.
Really?
Care to give us the Article and Section numbers in the US Constitution
which support your claims?
>
> > If you want to run a town, or even a county, as a democracy, you
> > are fully within your rights to do so.
> >
> > But the US Constitution, the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, specificies
> > in UNMISTAKABLE language the the United States is a Republic.
>
> A Democratic Republic. No matter how much you try, you can't deny that
> the two terms are not contradictory. Republics can take many forms,
> ranging from authoritarian to democratic. This is basic stuff, Aaron.
> Where are you getting your information -- just from your whims?
Care to give us the Article and Section numbers in the US Constitution
which support your claims?
>
> > Not a "democratic republic"....just a Republic.
> >
> > Popular election of Representatives and Senators does *NOT*
> > a democracy make, nor a Democratic Republic make, so you and
> > your PROPAGANDA NOISE about the US being a "democratic Republic"
> > can go take a flying fucking leap off a cliff.
>
> (chuckle) You're simply wrong. Representative democracy is precisely a
> system where you choose representatives and Senators, and they make
> laws. Our system is partially a representative democracy, though not
> completely, due to the role of the President and Courts. I'm simply
> stating reality. You calling it propaganda with unsubstantiated and
> unsupported (and bizarre) claims only makes you look a tad silly.
Care to give us the Article and Section numbers in the US Constitution
which support your claims?
>
> > Wrong. The United Kingdom is a Representative Democracy.
> > However, *WE* do not have a parliamentary system, therefore,
> > we are not a Representative Democracy
>
> We're a Presidential system, but also have a legislative branch that is
> indeed a form of representative democracy. It's not a pure form like
> the UK, since the President has specific powers that limit what the
> legislature can do (the whole checks and balances thing).
None of which substantiates your PROPAGANDA that we are supposedly
a "democratic republic" nor your contradictory claim that we are
supposedly a "representative democracy".
>
> > To wit, you previously said that the United States is a "democratic
> > republic", and *NOW* you said that it is a "representative
> > democracy".
> >
> > Well, which is it? A Democracy by Representation, or a
> > Republic by Democracy?
>
> Democratic Republics can also be representative democracies. That is
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
adjective NOUN adjective NOUN
Republic != Democracy.
Therefore, your argument fails.
> one way the Republic can be formed. Republics have whatever mechanisms
> and attributes their constitutions create.
>
> Perhaps, rather than simply throwing out strange assertions, you should
> back them and explain precisely what you mean by terms like Republic,
> Democracy, etc. Or is that too HARD for you?
>
> > It can't be BOTH ways.
>
> It certaily can.
>
> > Therefore, I have now demonstrated, by your own definitions,
> > that you lied at least once.
>
> (chuckle) Your word games are only attempts to obfuscate the obvious
> fact you're defending an undefendable position. You need to study these
> things, you're very misguided on some real basics.
The only person playing wordgames is you, Bullshit artist.
>
> > Of course...the real truth is that you lied twice. Every time
> > you try to weasel in the word "democracy" to describe our system
> > of government, your are LYING.
> >
> > Remember, Asshole, several MILLION American took an oath to defend
> > the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES against *ALL* enemies, both
> > foreign and domestic.
>
> > People like you, claiming to have a PhD in Political Science, who
> > then go around telling lies like such as above, qualify, in no
> > uncertain terms, as ENEMIES OF THE CONSTITUTION.
> >
> > Make no doubt about it.
> >
> > Some day...when they you're lined up against the wall, and you
> > feel the hot, searing pain of bullets ripping through your body,
> > literally turning the very cells around the entry wound into
> > a worthless pool of slime in the wound cavity....just remember,
> > that I warned you.
>
> Yet by your definition, all our recent Presidents
> who talk about our democracy, all our legislators, all our supreme court
> justices, all who interpret the constitution and our system more like me
> than like you are just as guilty. In fact, by your definition, about
> 95% of the country is an enemy of the constitution!
>
> The rest of your inane babble snipped. You discredit yourself with your
> tirades and pathetic attempts at threats.
Evidently, you have NO fucking clue what's going on outside of
your little cave of academia. The general population of the United
States is damn well fed up with elitist pricks like you.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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