Linux-Advocacy Digest #310, Volume #33 Tue, 3 Apr 01 07:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Alex
Chaihorsky")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Baseball (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (The Spelling
Troll)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Sascha Bohnenkamp)
Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows? (Rick)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Alex
Chaihorsky")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Beth")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 06:08:18 -0400
sliverdick wrote:
>
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:31:15 GMT, d'geezer@d'geezer.net wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:00:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback) wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Scott Erb wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I couldn't believe the sudden torrent of fascist like threats and
> >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>
> >>>Spot the character assassination.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>First of all, Fascism is a form of socialism. By now, it should be
> >>
> >>wrong clyde. Fascism is the polar opposite of socialism. Fascism has
> >>always been a top down revolution to protect the interest of the rich
> >>corporate owners. The fact that the fascist supporters are from the
> >>top tier of society is enough to dispense with yer silly nonsense.
> >
> >Oh Yes, Hitler came from the ranks of the aristocracy, his father was just a local
> >minor government employee as a hobby. As was his mother of course.
>
> gee another fucking idiot. Guess who supported him finacically during
> the 20s? It was the rich industralists. Hitler came to power by making
> secret deals with them. How was it that Hitler was released from
> prision after the failed Beer hall Putsch when others that had only
> revealed to the press snipets of information that proved Germany was
> rearming. They rotted in prision. And yes they were charged with
> treason in the early 20s.
Just as your pal Klinton should have been.
>
> Face it boob the only way Hitler gained such a release was someone or
> many someones pulled strings for him to get out. And that means only
> one thing the German elite.
So, you admit that the elite support programs to oppress those beneath
them, and then fail to make the connection between marxist oppression,
and the fact that a lot of America's elite support marxism.
What's wrong, sliverdick....cat have your brain?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Alex Chaihorsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 03 Apr 2001 10:07:40 GMT
Reply-To: "Alex Chaihorsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Beth,
We would love to answer your arguments, but there are none.
Please, state your position and we would gladly answer.
As to the "Americanocentricity" - we are discussing here US affairs and you
are welcome to comment,
but we would rather not change the subject and suddenly turn it into am
international argument.
Internationality of US Constitution is purely in its influence on other
countries Constitution which is enormous.
BTW, US Constitution applies not to citizens, but to territory. If you are a
foreigner standing on the US ground, ship or airplane you are under the
protection of the US Constitution.
Some language in your message in quite alarming. US Constitution says
nothing about respecting other views. The same way it does not say anything
about washing your hands. Nobody can make anybody respect anything.
Constitutions usually address the issue of rights, and being respected is
not one, fortunately. I can just imagine the horror it will lead to in
litigation nightmare.
I would also encourage you to look up the definitions and the history of the
word fascism, which you use quite haphazardly. Fascism is collectivism, in
Italian. The origin is Italian from fasci - the bunch of thick twigs held
together by ropes. Fasci were used since ancient times in warfare to shield
infantry from arrows and other purposes. The ancient Rome adopted fasci with
in combination with a battle ax a symbol of Rome's democratic power. The
symbolism was in graphic idea that many a fragile twig, that anyone can
break individually, when tighten and held together present serious
challenge.
In Mussolini times the fasci symbol was transferred as unity and
single-mindedness of nationalistic movement.
In Italy you had to be Italian to be a member of dictating majority, but in
Germany you have to be Aryan, not just German.
That is why more appropriate word for German fascists is Nazi, as they were
members of German National -Socialist Workers Party.
The same way Communism and Socialism are collectivisms, but not based on the
national or racial, but class identity.
It is the dictatorship of "proletariat" or "working class" that is the
central part of these forms of fascism (or collectivisms, if you do not like
the Italian word).
Many a contemporary socialist try to distance themselves from the fatherly
embrace of Hitler or Marx, which they never did before the atrocities of
Nazism and/or Communism were exposed and the World was shocked by Auschwitz
and GULAG.
However, they fail to demonstrate how their ideology is different from that
of the founding fathers. They still believe in class warfare and
redistribution of wealth as means to establish economic equality. In views
of the Fathers of American Constitution the equality is expressed in
equality of rights, freedom and the "pursuit of happiness". In fascists
theories it is the happiness itself that is a right. Certainly lower classes
accept that with great enthusiasm.
FREE HAPPINESS!
Implementation of "happiness for all" leads to taking from ones and giving
to others. There is where the hell breaks out.
Imagine that tomorrow the UN will get so much power that they will be able
to enforce this kind of ideology on the planet. To bring everybody on the
same level huge quantities of goods, food, money will be taken from the
citizens of Europe, US and other developed countries and shipped to Africa,
South Asia, South America. Huge numbers of people from these countries will
be shipped to your hometown and put into your house. That is exactly what
happened in Russia in 1917. I know it sound crazy, but yes, Bolsheviks took
people from distant villages and put them in the houses of private citizens.
Just like that. So everybody is equal and happy. And then there were years
of inhuman bestialities.
General Tulenev (a WW2 hero) testified about him being interrogated in NKVD:
"I forgot my name, that I had a wife and daughter. All the skin from my back
and buttocks was removed, so I could only sleep while standing on my knees.
They made me drink my urine and squeezed my genitals in vices until I was
unable to scream."
You can read about this experiment in many a book. Just make sure that the
author knows the subject and not some ivory tower American professor like
Robert Reich, who actually had an audacity to write that Stalins' reforms
were positive for us. This is because Professor Reich never experienced what
it is to be sodomized by NKVD monsters and to be made drink his own urine.
Lucky little dick that has never been squeezed in a vice.
Respectfully,
Alex Chaihorsky
Reno, NV
"Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:idey6.117$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > So, protecting your constitutional rights is fascist now.
>
> At the expense of other people's constitutional right to freedom of speech
> and of religion? Certainly....without doubt, that is facist...it is also
> majorly hypocritical...the constitution protects the rights of EVERY
> American citizen, whether you agree with them or not...
>
> Plus, what a totally Americanocentric argument...I'm not subject to your
> blessed constitution so how does this apply to me and to the VAST MAJORITY
> who are NOT subject to it?
>
> Amusingly, I'm not subject to that constitution but I seem to have less
> problem than you do at protecting OTHERs right to freedom of speech and
> freedom of religion...you are being wholly contradictory and
> hypocritical...the consitution applies to ALL of your fellow citizens and
> you MUST respect their opinions (but, of course, feel free to disagree
with
> them) whatever...
>
> Note: I'm not a US citizen so you have no patriotic obligation to apply
> these constitutional rights to me (although, note, that US does abide by
the
> international conventions and subscribes to human rights and international
> slander laws so you can't attack me totally :)...
>
> I await your response...but, please, even if you consider me to be some
> "fudging marxist" or whatever you believe...I urge you to respond to my
> arguments rather than pass insult...surely, if I am wrong and you are
right,
> then you have an obligation to me and to yourself to rectify my
> misunderstanding, yes? Insulting me will not point out where I've made a
> mistake in my rationale, will it? Ok, so can we actually focus on relevent
> discussion...
>
> Thanks for your valued co-operation in advance :)
>
> Beth :)
>
>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 06:09:09 -0400
silverback wrote:
>
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:40:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael
> Ejercito) wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:00:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >(silverback) wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Scott Erb wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I couldn't believe the sudden torrent of fascist like threats and
> >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>
> >>>Spot the character assassination.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>First of all, Fascism is a form of socialism. By now, it should be
> >>
> >>wrong clyde. Fascism is the polar opposite of socialism. Fascism has
> >>always been a top down revolution to protect the interest of the rich
> >>corporate owners. The fact that the fascist supporters are from the
> >>top tier of society is enough to dispense with yer silly nonsense.
> >>
> > Fascism has more to do with abolishment of individual rights.
>
> It doesn't change the fact that fascism has always been a top down
> revolution.
Nobody here is defending Fascism, you moron.
>
> >
> >
> > Michael
>
> ***********************************************
>
> GDY Weasel
> emailers remove the spam buster
>
> For those seeking enlightenment visit the White Rose at
>
> http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm
>
> *********************************************
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:12:32 +1200
Mind you, Aussie rules is quite good too. When I was in Aussie, I went to several
matches.
Matthew Gardiner
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> Ever played rugby? Ever been in the position of having a 140KG Somoan charging
>towards you
> (and you're only 85KG), and being hammered when trying to tackle the person? I also
>find
> it rather amazing how little Septic Tanks know about the world outside the US? Did
>you
> know we have Televisions, Tree's, cars, computers, I know, its probably has come as
>quite a
> big shock to you.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> > Said Matthew Gardiner in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 03 Apr 2001
> > >Cricket is not gay, NOW Gridiron, that is really gay, wtf is it with pads and
>shit? and
> > >a 15'er after each tackle for christs. I've seen more action from a Microsoft
> > >programmer than what happens on the field in a game of Gridiron.
> >
> > They like to think its a game of strategy.
> >
> > Do you think there's more strategy in cricket then in baseball? I've
> > watched both, but I know the rules and strategy to baseball, having
> > grown up American. They're both pretty boring. I'm interested in
> > learning a bit of some of the strategy. It seems a really wacked game
> > from the brief descriptions I've heard.
> >
> > But "gridiron" ('American football') is about *mass*, not *flexibility*,
> > that's wtf with the pads and shit. Rugby (isn't that what you guys call
> > your version of gridiron?) is for pansies, in comparison. You might as
> > well play soccer.
> >
> > --
> > T. Max Devlin
> > *** The best way to convince another is
> > to state your case moderately and
> > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 06:04:40 -0400
From: The Spelling Troll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Hello there, I am The Spelling Troll.
Are you as sick as I am of bad spelling in these newsgroups? Good, I
thought so!
As a free service, I will select random posts on this group, and will
correct the spelling. As a bonus, I will correct poor grammar from
time to time as well.
I will only accept correct English spelling, no American
bastardisations of our beautiful language will be permitted.
We've heard from Ms Kulkis of Buffalo Poo, Indiana again. Let's see what Ms
Kulkis has done wrong today:
On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 06:00:40 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>****ALLL**** forms of SOCIALism are about abolishing individual rights.
^^^^^ALL^^^^^
You're improving, Erin dearie, but you must continue to try harder.
Your'e Welcome!
***The NRA: Teaching Children To Shoot Each Other Responsibly***
------------------------------
From: Sascha Bohnenkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 12:30:28 +0200
Chad Everett wrote:
> >It can is you write your own "crash daemon" and run it under root.
> main()
> {
> while( 1 )
> fork();
> }
ulimit is your friend ;)
------------------------------
From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 06:34:18 -0400
Johnny Lee wrote:
>
> "pete@-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <9aaslu$vq3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "2 says...
> >
> > >This being the case, then the open source movement, already having an OS,
> > >needs a framework and execution engine of its own.
> > >
> >
> > No they don't. Java is here.
> >
> > Why reinvet the wheel?
> >
> > What is it that you need that Java and corba and RMI and XML do not
> > give you?
>
> Speed (Java). Wide compatibility between vendors (CORBA). Lack of solid
> development tooks (XML), and working standards (schemas).
>
> .Net can give you all these. Of course, it only runs with Windows. The
> point being that all these "standards" hasn't yielded the runaway success
> that any companies are screaming after.
>
That IS one of the points, you know, .net runs only on Windows (for now)
Billy-Billy will only open becasue of bad publicity, and I'll bet it
wont work as well with non-windows OS's.
> >
> > the .net and c-hash is a desparate attempt by billy to keep control
> > inside him, and it failing miserbly.
>
> .Net failing? It hasn't even came out yet. It's like the Wintrolls
> screaming OSX is failing while it was still on beta.
>
We can only hope it will fail miserably.
--
Rick
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From: "Alex Chaihorsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: 03 Apr 2001 10:42:15 GMT
Reply-To: "Alex Chaihorsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> gee another fucking idiot. Guess who supported him finacically during
> the 20s? It was the rich industralists. Hitler came to power by making
> secret deals with them. How was it that Hitler was released from
> prision after the failed Beer hall Putsch when others that had only
> revealed to the press snipets of information that proved Germany was
> rearming. They rotted in prision. And yes they were charged with
> treason in the early 20s.
>
> Face it boob the only way Hitler gained such a release was someone or
> many someones pulled strings for him to get out. And that means only
> one thing the German elite.
>
>
Many a discussion here sooner or later come back to Nazi-Socialist question.
To get to the bottom - question to everybody: HOW HITLER GOT TO BE
CHANCELLOR?
I start a new tread with that title. Please, give me your opinions. Here are
the facts:
Historic facts:
During 1932 elections
Hitler got 11.8 million votes
Social-Democrats 8.1
Communists 5.8
To be a Chancellor, Hitler had to have absolute majority. He never got it.
If Communists would get into coalition with SD, Nazi would be outsiders.
Nazi party was in deep financial troubles, Hitler thought of suicide.
Communists declined the coalition and Hitler won.
Why wouldn't Communists eliminate Hitler by supporting SocDems?
Alex Chaihorsky
Reno, NV
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.survivalism
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 06:44:20 -0400
"Marada C. Shradrakaii" wrote:
>
> >Go to Russia, and you'll see all kinds of artificial scarcities....and
> >they've existed there for DECADES UPON DECADES.
>
> Hasn't it already been established that the USSR did a very poor job of
> implementing communist theory?
I think it's been established that it is impossible to not do a very poor
job of implementing communist theory.
Communism hinges upon changing human nature.
This would be funny, if it were not for the hundreds of millions of
INNOCENT people who have been slaughtered in the attempt.
> In addition, don't they have some
> disadgantadges that exacerbate any scarcity. Transport across an enormous
> continent will almost certainly create a bottleneck and some local scarcity,
> and some resource abundance is locked away in the permafrost where it's overly
> expensive or impractical to retrieve.
Not nearly as big of bottlenecks as the USA suffers from having to import
a lot of materials from overseas.
Hope that helps.
> --
> Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
> Colony name not needed in address.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
Reply-To: "Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:10:13 +0100
T. Max Devlin wrote:
> Beth suggested:
> [...]
> >You all argue with your blind predjuices showing and even if you could
prove
> >beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are right then NO-ONE would listen
> >anyway because you're bigoted and biased and spouting other people's
empty
> >propoganda...
> >
> >Think for yourselves.
>
> But when we do that, we get in arguments with others who think for
> themselves and come up with different results, leaving us back with what
> you insist is "blind prejudices". I'm sorry, I just can't agree with
> your fatalistic view of political philosophy.
No; We'd get into arguments when those people of blind predjuice will not
rationalise their opinions and instead spout rage and anger (and a healthy
does of curses :)...a person that truely _thinks_ will NOT spout knee-jerk
reaction NOR will they be adverse from listening to others...
You seem a rational person, which is why I find it interesting that you
suggest that merely because someone holds a "blind predjuice" that they are
unable to contribute and that they are inherently wrong because their
opinion does not tally with yours...thus, your opinions may be of a more
liberal nature than Aaron's but you employ the same bully/ignore tactics...I
would definitely agree with your opinions more than Aaron, from what has
been said, but I fail to see what separates your tactics from his...
This would refute the notion of freedom of speech and religion, would it
not?
EVERYONE thinks they're right...merely dumping some monologue and ignoring
response will NOT prove you're right...empathise...this person who you're
talking to thinks you are totally wrong...no amount of "I'm right, you're
wrong" will EVER change that...in fact, it will only make the situation
worse because they feel you're forcing them to think as you do...no matter
how liberal your opinions, to Aaron, you are being a facist and forcing your
opinions on him...
Note: The above also applies to Aaron, to an extent...drawing lines and
taking sides makes sense in a war but not in a debate...a discussion cannot
function properly without giving respect and room to speak for your
"opponents"...
Beth :)
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