Linux-Advocacy Digest #367, Volume #33 Wed, 4 Apr 01 23:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux sets world record !!! (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows? ("Cat")
Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: My take on GPLed code as free software (was: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and
lies about free software) ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Gunner ©)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant ("Ben L. Titzer")
Re: Linux sets world record !!! (Ray Chason)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Raoul
Duke***)
Re: Linux sets world record !!! ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Darwinian Evolution and open software ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Hailstorm: Heed the Warnings (Don't Ask)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Linux sets world record !!! ("Paolo Ciambotti")
Re: Baseball (Doug Graves)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("Chad Myers")
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux sets world record !!!
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:57:01 GMT
On Wed 04 Apr 2001 08:22, Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> Well, I didn't go for all this dot-con type, I invested into the likes of
> United Networks, Auckland Airport, Capital Properties, good old reliable
> blue chip stocks. Although they don't have all the buzz words such as
> "e-commerce" and "B2B", they return a tidy little sum at the end of each
> financial year. Also, how can Linux be listed on the NASDAQ? its not even
> a bloody company!
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>
[Snip]
LNUX = VA Linux Systems, as I recall.
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Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
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From: "Cat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMD is to Intel as "What OS" is to Windows?
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:01:36 +1000
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It's one of the problems with having only a small section of the whole population
represented
in government. It's overwhelmingly white, male and 50+. Nothing wrong with that
demographic
it's just that they have the experiences and views of only that demographic.
Cat
http://www.ratrobot.com/sport/sport.htm NEW THIS MONTH Would you cheat in a $100
million
dollar lottery if you knew they wouldn't catch you? This is the problem with drugs in
sport.
How do we solve it?
http://www.ratrobot.com/java/ratrobot_help.jar FREE APPLETS JARS EDITORS CHOICE
www.ratrobot.com Articles that challenge your ideas about yourself and the world you
live in.
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:48:48 +1000, Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >Or better yet to put additives in the fuel that stop other car manufacturers cars
>from
> >working then refuse to tell them what they are. This isn't as bad as "The Evil
>Empire"
> >OS/Software vertical integration because you don't have a practical way to get the
>source
> >code to the OS where as you could easily test to find the additive.
> > When I wrote an article about this
> >http://www.ratrobot.com/ms/ms.htm
> >I think I neglected one of the most important factors in the evil empire's ability
>to get
> >away with the crap they do. The techno ignorance of the average politician. How
>many of
> >them even have a good idea of the difference between an OS and an application? If
>it was a
> >car company running 95% of the worlds petroleum industry would the dopey idiots in
> >Washington let it
> >continue? Maybe the anti-evil empire campaign should invest in some crayons.
> >
> >Cat
> >
>
> You got that one right on the money! I am waiting for some politicians to start
>calling
> for the ban of open software because they think it's the same thing as Napster.
>
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000?
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:09:39 -0700
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Roy Culley wrote:
>>
>> In article <9acusg$ie9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> User Bobkeys BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > In comp.unix.advocacy Pete Mullins <pmullin@> wrote:
>> >> Regardless of how Word users look, they expect the documents that
>> >> they receive can be opened and intelligible. Since everyone uses
>> >> Word, this can
>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >
>> > Where do I find ``Word'' on my UNIX box? I must be missing
>> > something?
>> >
>> > Just curious....
>>
>> strings file.doc | less
>>
>> Removes all the formatting crap and leaves you with just the text. I
>> find out about this from a guy who posted an article to some newsgroup
>> a while ago. He was a Unix contractor and received a word document from
>> the boss of the company he was contracting for. The boss obviously used
>> the same word document each time. He presumably just deleted the old
>> contents and typed away. Unfortunately for him he used fast save or
>> whatever it is called. When he ran strings on it he got loads of stuff
>> including employment details of employees including salaries etc. Don't
>> you just love Microsoft. :-)
>
> LOL!! Now you see why DOD can't certify anything microsoft makes? When
> the DOD puts Win2k on the fleet I'll bet the comm is encrypted between
> ships and sent to no one else.
>
Reminds me of two stories I got copied last year about the use of MS-Word
in the legal profession. In the first instance, two attorneys were
litigating a civil case attempting to reach an out-of-court settlement and
were exchanging MS-Word documents. The MS-savvy attorney used the "undo"
feature of Word to see what the opposition was initially recommending to
their client, and was able to win a favorable settlement. In the second,
a judge berated an attorney for using MS-Word for his filings stating that
it constituted "undeniable evidence of incompetence".
Both of these could have been the same matter. I don't know if either of
these are generally available on the web, though.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Q:Windows NT scripting?
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:18:56 GMT
Jarko Vihriala wrote:
>
> Hello there,
>
> My question is, that why on EARTH does the GUI have
> to be integrated to the OS itself? I mean, why cannot
> all the commands be executed on the command line,
> just like *nix systems work? The GUI would be just
> extra thing for those clickety-click system users,
> who don't know a dick about the OS itself, but if
> someone would really want to customise the system,
> and operate on the command line (even with remote
> sessions) they could do that.
>
> Personally, I have created a set of scripts to allow
> me to use the NT - when I use it - from the command line,
> but the GUI is still there, eating my resources
> and such. Also, if the GUI was not integrated with the
> kernel, it would not crash the system if some confict
> will occur.
>
> Best Regards,
> Jarko
I just discovered this URL
ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/gnu/djgpp/v2gnu/
and loaded up bash, the file commands, the text
commands, and which, on my Win 2000 machine at work.
Made a little bash icon, and have a much nicer
console and scripting language to work with.
If I have to use Windoze, at least I can use some
of my favorite GNU software on it.
http://www.vim.org has another nice multi-platform
editor if you like vi with syntax-highlighting.
The graphical version, gvim, is a nice proof-of-concept
for the port of GTK+ to Windoze. (Also look for
the port of the GIMP to Windoze... pretty nice.)
http://www.mingw.org has a nice tool for writing
C code for Windoze without using Microsoft or
Borland tools.
Just got Apache running on Linux. Very easy.
Wonder if the Windoze setup for Apache is
just as easy. http://www.apache.org
Damn, too bad the Free Software Movement can't
write good software in a timely manner,
heh heh heh.
Now if I could only turn off the Windoze GUI
and swap out the NT kernel for vmlinuz. <grin>
Actually, I can, but IT would have a conniption
fit if I did it very often. They would very much
like to keep Windoze from becoming superfluous;
it keeps those appropriations coming.
Hmmmm, if I could get the skin looking fully
like Linux, would they notice when the
beast itself was replaced with Linux?
Chris
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: My take on GPLed code as free software (was: Richard Stallman what a
tosser, and lies about free software)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:24:38 GMT
"Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> GPLed software *can* be distributed to you, only not in a fashion that
> >> you or someone else in the distribution line can prevent any freedom of
> >> use of that software. I see no reason why all those wonderful
> >> combinations cannot be GPLed as a whole.
> >
> >Does that mean you don't recognize any existing intellectual property
> >rights that have not been assigned under the GPL, or you don't
> >think anyone needs any of that? Do you understand way there
> >cannot be a new GPL'd gif-writing program?
>
> Because of a Unisys patent.
>
> >Or DVD-decoding program?
>
> Because of some stupid US-only law. $DEITY forbid other WIPO countries
> to also implement article 11 of the WIPO 1996 treaty.
So you do understand the specifics - but you didn't answer the general
question: if you still maintain that all necessary combinations can be
GPLed as a whole is it because you think other restrictions are not
significant or that all users can do without all code where other
restrictions
apply?
> >> As a direct result of the GPL *AND* the fact that you were unwilling to
> >> GPL the resulting program.
> >
> >Perhaps you have forgotten: the program consisted of 3 pre-existing
> >components. The two other than GNUtar were freely redistributable
> >but under non-GPL terms. I did not want to add any additional
restrictions
> >to the part I added but could not change the terms on the other
components.
> >Only the GPL prevented redistribution.
>
> Case in point: if you cannot change the distribution restrictions to
> GPL, then the license is just as restrictive as the GPL. So it is not
> only the GPL who is to blame for your being unable to distribute the
> combination.
No, for the hundredth time, the other restrictions did not, and would
not under any circumstance prevent distribution. Only the GPL did.
> >> Because you don't have it? Of course not! As far as such a user is
> >> concerned such program does not exist.
> >Of course they exist. People put them together all the time and are
> >prohibited from sharing them by the GPL.
>
> Still, sharing is sharing and using is using. Different viewpoints.
But the 'using' viewpoint is only possible after distribution is allowed,
and the GPL prevents many instances of distribution.
> This comes down to the circular argument. You keep hammering on the
> distribution. If someone would sell me his product for big bucks under
> the BSDL and I couldn't get it from anywhere else, this would still be
> very legal and the software would be just as free. The license talks
> about how I can *redistribute* the stuff, not about how I can get it.
No, the license talks about the circumstances where you are prohibited
from redistributing, and covers most of the possibilities.
> So
> can you please explain to me why not being able to get the software
> makes the software non-free?
By definition: the restrictions preventing distribution make it the
opposite of free.
> >> It's not only the GPL that prevents this, it's the GPL *in combination
> >> with* the unwillingness of the programmer to GPL the result that really
> >> prevents this.
> >
> >It is impossible for the programmer to change the terms on the
> >other existing components they use. The GPL makes it impossible
> >to share this work even in the case where the potential recipients
> >already have the right to use the other necessary parts or where those
> >parts are more free than the GPL'd work.
>
> See above.
Yes, only the GPL makes this sharing impossible.
> > so of course the problem isn't with software
> >they have.
>
> That's exactly the scope of software that I'm talking about when I refer
> to "using".
There is some small sample of code that completely meets the
detailed requirements of the GPL and is allowed to be distributed.
I don't see why you would want to restrict yourself to this isolated
set of code, or why you want to prevent others from derive new and
better versions from this base in combination with other existing
code that might also already have the first few years of development
bugs shaken out.
> >> I'd say that their freedom to use the
> >> software as they please does qualify it as "free software".
> >And I say that not being allowed to have modifications of it distributed
> >to them qualifies it as the opposite of free.
>
> That's your prerogative. Your viewpoint differs from mine. Big deal. The
> only thing I object to is that one would claim that I or someone sharing
> my view on the subject is purposly deceiving others.
When you have to redefine words, you should know that a claim is
deceptive, but even then it might be considered accidental. But
if you persist in the claim after the deception has been pointed
out, how can anyone interpret it other than purposful?
Les Mikesell
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From: Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:25:07 -0700
On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:57:50 -0400, Raoul Duke***
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder how Scott Erb would feel if he gets his wish of an all-powerful
>>> government, and along the way, he gets carted off to some gulag....
>>
>>Given that I oppose powerful government and in fact my biggest criticism of the
>>Left is that it too often ignores the danger of centralized power, your question
>>is based on a false premise. Since I've made my aversion to powerful government
>>clear earlier in this thread, I have to assume that you are also being dishonest
>>in making the statement you make.
>
>The Republicans are trying to turn the U.S. into a benevolent
>dictatorship. Looks like we'll be Chinese Communist.
This is the first time Ive ever seen a cartoon strip character post on
the net. Interesting. He's a moron.. but its fascinating
--
"Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry
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From: "Ben L. Titzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.arch
Subject: Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:25:06 -0500
On 4 Apr 2001, Eric Smith wrote:
> Craig Kelley wrote:
> > Too bad IA32 chips run faster than Alphas now. :)
>
> Alexis Cousein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Too bad they're IA*32*, though, and can't address more than 4GB.
>
> Only a per-process virtual memory limit. And it might be possible
> to circumvent that. Remeber how on the PDP-11 big programs used separate
> I&D space (64 Kbytes each)? Well, IIRC on the x86 (x>=3) you can have
> multiple segments that are up to 4G each. So you could easily have
> a 4G instruction segment and a 4G data segment, without requiring
> nastiness in C code like near and far pointers.
>
No, segmentation is on top of paging, so that the segments must live
within the 4gb virtual address space. I suppose its conceivable to alter
the hardware to let each segment have its own address space, but it would
totally fsck the operation of most OSes...
> Probably not enough of a win to be worthwhile, though. Personally, I have
> yet to encounter an executable bigger than 1.5G.
>
>
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux sets world record !!!
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:32:12 -0000
"Joseph Ogiba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>LNUX $320.00 to $1.59 !!! From "World Record IPO" to world record loss in
>stock price (-$318.41).Can you imagine buying 10 shares for $3,200.00 and
>watch it drop to $15.90 !!!
Linux != VA Linux. HTH and GoAT.
--
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PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: Raoul Duke*** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:34:51 -0400
On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:25:07 -0700, Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:57:50 -0400, Raoul Duke***
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how Scott Erb would feel if he gets his wish of an all-powerful
>>>> government, and along the way, he gets carted off to some gulag....
>>>
>>>Given that I oppose powerful government and in fact my biggest criticism of the
>>>Left is that it too often ignores the danger of centralized power, your question
>>>is based on a false premise. Since I've made my aversion to powerful government
>>>clear earlier in this thread, I have to assume that you are also being dishonest
>>>in making the statement you make.
>>
>>The Republicans are trying to turn the U.S. into a benevolent
>>dictatorship. Looks like we'll be Chinese Communist.
>
>This is the first time Ive ever seen a cartoon strip character post on
>the net. Interesting. He's a moron.. but its fascinating
Not too swift, are you?
************
Raoul Duke
"Will all who are sick and tired of that fist fucker Raoul Duke post a
resounding FUCK YOU RAOUL!! Then promptly put this
little prick in your kill file. Please.
Jack " -- alt.military.retired
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux sets world record !!!
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:37:50 +1200
Thanks for correcting me. For those people who do bitch about the slump,
nothing ever forced you to buy into the highly volitile tech sector, so, why
did you risk it? (Question direct towards Tech Sector Investor Bozo's)
Matthew Gardiner
"Chronos Tachyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:NhQy6.57034$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed 04 Apr 2001 08:22, Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Well, I didn't go for all this dot-con type, I invested into the likes
of
> > United Networks, Auckland Airport, Capital Properties, good old reliable
> > blue chip stocks. Although they don't have all the buzz words such as
> > "e-commerce" and "B2B", they return a tidy little sum at the end of each
> > financial year. Also, how can Linux be listed on the NASDAQ? its not
even
> > a bloody company!
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> [Snip]
>
> LNUX = VA Linux Systems, as I recall.
>
> --
> Chronos Tachyon
> Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
> Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
> [Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
>
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Darwinian Evolution and open software
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:47:06 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ronald Landheer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> As the writer of the original post with this subject, I came over from
> sci.bio.evolution for the same discussion. Hence, I will also introduce
> myself, before I start responding to any posts.
>
> The name is Ronald Landheer, I'm a Dutch Phytopathologist working in
> France, and a freelance programmer and teacher of the language C. I've
> written a whole bunch of software and just released some to OpenSource
> (under GLPL & GPL).
> As a Biologist working in genetics at the moment, I'm familiar with the
> theories of evolution (and discuss them with a whole bunch of people,
> but not on NNTP all that often). As a freelance programmer, I'm familiar
> with OpenSource software and a great supporter of it. Personally, I
> don't think it makes sense to make all too many references to biological
> principles in computer science (nor vice versa), and I don't think the
> principles of natural selection apply on OpenSource software, which IMHO
> has much more to do with freedom of software and it's creators than with
> selection of that software through environmental factors. Hence, I think
> it would be better to use the term "maturation" in stead - but as
> everybody's using the word "evolution" I'll just stick with saying it's
> a misconception..
>
> Greetz!
>
> Ronald
>
A fresh perspective is so nice to see here. Even though I disagree.
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From: Don't Ask <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hailstorm: Heed the Warnings
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:47:08 GMT
Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Don't Ask"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > But the article doesn't mention if you get a free toaster with it!
>
> Toaster, schmoaster. You should be hoping this comes with a complimentary
> 55 gallon drum of K-Y jelly.
Lol! bogu! EVERY DAY!
Cheers.
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:51:06 GMT
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> Microsoft is doing the old shuffle and lie...but signs are they are
> starting to sweat:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5508903.html?tag=mn_hd
>
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 04:10:39 GMT, Alan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Oh... ...my... ...god.
>>SNIP for bandwidth<<
But they seem to retain the clause about being able to change terms at
any time. So, if you are a business, you have to have a lawyer check the
terms every few minutes and before sending any mail.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux sets world record !!!
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:04:10 -0700
In article <_7Py6.8651$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Joseph Ogiba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LNUX $320.00 to $1.59 !!! From "World Record IPO" to world record loss
> in stock price (-$318.41).Can you imagine buying 10 shares for $3,200.00
> and watch it drop to $15.90 !!!
I'd consider MSFT going from $140 to $55 in ninety days a serious
shitstorm of majestic proportion as well. Or Cisco from $150 to $14. Or
any of the other NASDAQ stocks that have tanked this week.
This is not a Linux-only party, everyone seems to be attending.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Graves)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: 5 Apr 2001 03:01:25 GMT
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:28:29 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Its rather disappointing that the US doesn't have a good International
>cricket or rugby union team, for a country with 220 million, I'd expect
>atleast one. After seeing Canada and the US play, geeze, talk about a
>pitaful site.
>
>Matthew Gardiner
It's rather disappointing that New Zealand doesn't field any good ice hockey
teams, for a country that a certain loudmouth seems to think is so great, I'd
expect at least one. Geeze talk about a bunch of pansies.
--
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:54:19 GMT
"Charles Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Everett wrote:
> >
> > Microsoft is doing the old shuffle and lie...but signs are they are
> > starting to sweat:
> >
> > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5508903.html?tag=mn_hd
> >
> > On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 04:10:39 GMT, Alan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Oh... ...my... ...god.
> >>SNIP for bandwidth<<
> But they seem to retain the clause about being able to change terms at
> any time. So, if you are a business, you have to have a lawyer check the
> terms every few minutes and before sending any mail.
And this is different from every other licensing agreement how?
-c
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