Linux-Advocacy Digest #424, Volume #33 Fri, 6 Apr 01 21:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Baseball ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (Martin Eden)
Re: XP = eXPerimental (Charles Lyttle)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("Russianbear")
Re: XP = eXPerimental ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: XP = eXPerimental ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Dave Martel)
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 11:36:41 +1200
<snype>
> > You says "tremendous inroads", others say hardly visible dent in the
> > OS market.
>
> I think you mean desktop market. Through last year, with no real
> major vendor support, Linux remained the #2 server OS in terms of
> licenses shipped and #1 in terms of growth. This, despite the fact
> that GNU licensing promotes building multiple copies off of a single
> disk and the distribution chain promotes installation via ftp or
> burning your own iso's.
>
> Now we've got Linux supported across IBM's entire mainframe and
> midrange architecture and their Global Services group actively
> promoting the OS. It is poised, if anything, to grow at an even more
> rapid rate than before.
>
Yes, I was mainly aiming at the desktop market. Think about it, an OS
developed in 1991, went from a few thousand users, to a few million users
with in 9 years, also you must consider that Linux up until recently has
had no major financial backing, and many of the projects that, such as
xfree86, Linux Kernel, KDE, GNOME and numerous other projects have been
undertaken and maintained by volunteers, so, if you look at it from that
angle, Linux Distro's have come a long way.
I also don't buy into this condescending bullshit WGAF is trying to
spread that Windows users are too stupid to move. If you compare Linux
with Windows, the only difference is that things are done slightly
different on Linux. Most Windows users I know who have moved from
Windows to Linux only find it hard because it is not like Windows, not
because it is complex in anyway, its because it is outside the sphere of
what they have been used to for the last 2-4 years of owning a
computer. If you look at the latest distro out by SuSE Linux, clean
GUI, easy configuration tools, shit! even the printer gets auto detected,
so don't try to spread untruths because you do not even have the ability
to install the latest version of Linux.
As for the darth of Applications, that's yet another untruth that gets
spread. I have been using Netscape Communicator 4.76, StarOffice 5.2 and
GIMP for a while now, and have never had any problems. Yes, StarOffice
doesn't exactly set the world alight for its quick start up speed, but
besides that, I find it more stable than Word, I don't have to worry
about macro virus's, it is cross platform, thus, I can then take it to
University where they too have StarOffice loaded on their computers. So
what's this rumour "Linux lacks app's"? is it the new excuse
Win-advocates come up with for not adopting Linux? why don't they
(Win-Advocates) be totally honest and admit you're are either too
intellectually challenged to install and run Linux, or you are too
worried by the fact that if you software company might adopt Linux you
would actually have to write programs properly instead of using the nice
randy-randy GUI based software development tools.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you do not like it go: [rm -rf /home/luser] and
have a nice day :)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:34:17 -0400
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> Today on the comp.os.linux.advocacy group we will be discussing
> the moral and ethical questions of killing, communism, biblical
> interpretation, and the art of personal insults. At the conclusion
> of these discussions we will have a much better feel for the merits
> of Linux.
Very true.
When I go off on some training exercise with the army, I always
appreciate my house and my nice, warm, soft bed SOO much better.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:36:51 -0400
Mathew wrote:
>
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > "Scott D. Erb" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Alex Chaihorsky wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Scott D. Erb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > However, I suspect Marx would be spinning in
> > > > > > his grave to see his ideas associated with Stalin or Mao. Ideological
> > > > > > development is complex.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have to address this before I address anything else, because I think this
> > > > > is pivotal.
> > > > > Marx was a monster. If you read Manifesto you will find:
> > >
> > > Marx was naive. He believed that if you got rid of capitalism you could have
>complete
> > > liberty, the state would whither away, you would end exploitation. He was
>motivated
> > > by the industrial slums, and how horrid the workers were paid. He wanted the
>workers
> > > to rise up against that, and believed if they did they could collectively
>control the
> > > means of production and everyone would be better off.
> >
> >
> > And yet, you still promote the policies based on the theories of this
> > man WHO YOU HAVE JUST ADMITTED was a fool.
>
> And you promoted dealing with a totalitarian facist fundamentalist Iran.
> Now tell me how you are not a Commuinist?
Iran is fascist now....
Must be some new definition of fascist with which the rest of the
English-speaking is unfamiliar.
Or by "fascist" do you merely mean "non-Communist"
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > He was wrong. Dead wrong. Tragically wrong. But there is no way Marx or
>Engels (and
> > > I've read a lot of their private writings, including a lot of Engels stuff in the
> > > original German) would have ever supported the kind of brutal tactics of a
>Stalin, Mao
> > > or Pol Pot.
> >
> >
> > And yet, you still push for the kinds of policies which can ONLY be
> > successfully implemented by a Stalin, Mao, or Pol P
>
> > Why is that?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > > 1. Complete liquidation of private property
> > > > > 2. Liquidation of the family, introduction of "official, open mutual
> > > > > ownership of wives"
> > > > > 3. Children taken from families are brought up by community (Hillary,
> > > > > hello!)
> > > > > 4. Industrial armies, not employer - employee, (and that is from the guy who
> > > > > LOVES proletariat!)
> > > > > 5. Central credit by central banks with total banking monopoly for the
> > > > > State.
> > > > > 6. Age when children start working - 9 years of age (Resolution of Geneva
> > > > > International Congress).
> > > > >
> > > > > If this is not the most monstrous document in the history of the
> > > > > civilization, please, state which one is.
> > > > >
> > > > > This system was implemented four times almost totally - in Hitler's
> > > > > concentration camps, Stalin's GULAG and Mao's re-educational settlements and
> > > > > Pol Pots' Cambodia camps.
> > > > > Partially - USSR, Red China, Vietnam, North Korea.
> > > > > Superficially - Poland, E. Germany, Hungary, Mongolia, Czeckoslovakia
> > > > >
> > > > > Why would Marx be spiining other than out of excitment?
> > > > > Typical (I hate this word) socialist attitude - they all have aberrated
> > > > > Marx. NO! THEY DIDN'T!
> > > > > All socialists remain civilized untill they seize the power. Then the
> > > > > Marxist bestiary begins.
> > > > > EVERY TIME.
> > >
> > > Marx was fantasizing about what he thought would lead to a utopia. He was
>wrong. He
> > > thought the state would whither away, it didn't. His goal was to end alienation
>and
> > > create perfect liberty, his ideas did not lead that direction. His errors were
> > > typical of 19th century social science (over-determination, bad predictions), and
> > > ultimately the errors in his theories helped lead to the kinds of horror you
> > > describe. But to demonize Marx personally because of that is simply misguided,
>and of
> > > course irrelevant.
> > >
> > > At the very least now Social Democrats and most leftists recognize that the
>vision of
> > > "scientific socialism" espoused by Lenin and the Communists was not only wrong,
>but
> > > evil in its actions. Social Democracy does not lead to the kind of evil you
> > > describe. Sweden has no gulags, Norway is not run like Pol Pot's China. You're
> > > overstating your case. The danger comes not from Marx, but from any attempt to
> > > centralize power to try to shape society without that power being accountable to
>the
> > > people. Marx was dead wrong not to understand or realize that, but I am
>convinced
> > > that he and Engels personally would have been appalled by what later was done in
>their
> > > name. Their theory was a failure, but to demonize them is simply silly.
> > > cheers, scott
> > > http://violet.umf.maine.edu/~erb/
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Baseball
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:40:15 -0400
*sunbird* wrote:
>
> "." wrote:
>
> > Windows isn't easy to use, it's pretty damned painful and stressful.
>
> "windows"?
>
> Windows NT will not do this. If your hardware is sound and drivers
> are correct. "GPF" sounds like a 3.1x thing.
>
> If it is the application only that is crashing, then that is an
> application fault, not an OS fault. Many apps panic under
> certain circumstances when they cannot allocate memory for
> certain purposes. Very often frex a "GPF" is actually a
> plain ol' stack overflow. Go figure. Programmer error. BOOM.
>
> > To
> > have excel GPF because you typed numbers into a cell, and lose your most
> > recent work, is frustrating and inexplicable. Especially when you can load
> > it up a second time and do exactly the same thing, but this time it wont
> > crash.
>
> stack symptoms, definitely.
>
> > Every time I use linux, it does what I would expect it to do. THAT'S ease
> > of use.
>
> heh. linux won't even install on a computer that ran windows NT non
> stop for a year and a half (meaning the only time it was "down" was
Yeah..sure.
What hardware is this mythical beast that will run Neutered Technology
but not Linux.
> when I shut it down). linux has its problems as well.
>
> pt
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: Martin Eden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:22:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis says...
Jesus Christ on a stick, kook-boy; Are you still going at this? I would have
thought you'd have shut your fat mouth by now.
You do realize that *everyone* with an ounce of intelligence has seen you for
who you are, don't you?
>Actually, I do also have a SuSE 6.4 machine. I'll be building
>another shortly, and putting 7.1 on both, and then adding clustering
>stuff.
Really Colonel? Is that one to the right or the left of the Win98 box you post
to usenet from?
>
>>
>> Won't be long before we start hearing how Kulkis went to MIT:
>>
>> http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/2001/ocw.html
>
>I got my education at Purdue.
You might want to inform the registrar's office of that, professor basement boy.
The boilermakers seem to have forgotten your tenured position somehow.
With Great Amusement,
Martin Eden.
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:26:02 GMT
Ermine Todd III wrote:
>
> eXtremely Productive!
> --
> --ET--
> Good Sense is Seldom "Common"
>
> "The Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9al6fp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message ...
> > >:> Naw...It means eXtra Profit...
> > >eXtra Pathetic
> >
> >
> > X-rated Porn?
> >
> >
X-lax Productivity?
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Russianbear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 01:39:48 +0100
Bah humbug to the religious twaddle.
God doesn't exist - and even if he did he's an evil git who is not worthy of
worship.
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Date: 7 Apr 2001 01:03:07 GMT
The Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message ...
: >:> Naw...It means eXtra Profit...
: >eXtra Pathetic
: X-rated Porn?
ROTFLMAO!
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: XP = eXPerimental
Date: 7 Apr 2001 01:04:36 GMT
Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: Windows is just the instable version of Linux for users who are too
: dumb to handle the real thing.
The unstable version of GNU/Linux isn't called Windows...
it's called "RedHat".
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 06:52:11 -0600
On Sat, 07 Apr 2001 11:36:41 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yes, I was mainly aiming at the desktop market. Think about it, an OS
>developed in 1991, went from a few thousand users, to a few million users
>with in 9 years, also you must consider that Linux up until recently has
>had no major financial backing, and many of the projects that, such as
>xfree86, Linux Kernel, KDE, GNOME and numerous other projects have been
>undertaken and maintained by volunteers, so, if you look at it from that
>angle, Linux Distro's have come a long way.
Some of the distro's have come a long way no matter how you look at
it. It was only a few years ago that linux changed direction from
being an OS strictly for techies, to wanting to also be an OS for the
masses. I doubt that Microsoft could accomplised anywhere near as much
as SuSE has in that same timeframe.
>I also don't buy into this condescending bullshit WGAF is trying to
>spread that Windows users are too stupid to move. If you compare Linux
>with Windows, the only difference is that things are done slightly
>different on Linux. Most Windows users I know who have moved from
>Windows to Linux only find it hard because it is not like Windows, not
>because it is complex in anyway, its because it is outside the sphere of
>what they have been used to for the last 2-4 years of owning a
>computer. If you look at the latest distro out by SuSE Linux, clean
>GUI, easy configuration tools, shit! even the printer gets auto detected,
>so don't try to spread untruths because you do not even have the ability
>to install the latest version of Linux.
When MS bootlickers talk about how "easy" windows is to use, they must
mean a preconfigured Windows system fresh out of the box.
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