Linux-Advocacy Digest #777, Volume #33 Sun, 22 Apr 01 07:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Anyone running Mandrake 8.0 yet? Worth the d/l? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Windows 2000 Rocks! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Sound Blaster 16 problems on SuSe 7.31 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Y'all should be happy about this (or maybe not, I dunno) (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Paul Repacholi)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Windows (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Anyone running Mandrake 8.0 yet? Worth the d/l? (Form@C)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Red Hat has become scary? (Matthew Gardiner)
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyone running Mandrake 8.0 yet? Worth the d/l?
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:16:50 +1200
"Form@C" wrote:
>
> question in the header...
>
> --
> Mick
> Olde Nascom Computers - http://www.mixtel.co.uk
Jump onto irc.linux.com and join the Linux channel, they will most
likely have at least one user who has downloaded it, and has it working.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Rocks!
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:17:56 +1200
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > Give me a 15,000 word essay on why Windows 2000 is superior to
> > Linux/UNIX, from the top down, from the user interface right down to the
> > nitty gritty details of the OS. Also, use a valid email address to back
> > up your post. I have the balls to use my real email address, do you?
>
> And you have to write the essay in Word too.
>
> -Ed
Nope, they have to use vi.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound Blaster 16 problems on SuSe 7.31
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:21:53 +1200
"E. Carrillo" wrote:
>
> Sound Blaster 16 problems on SuSe 7.31
> I have a sound blaster 16 ISA card which works fine under windows, but I
> can't make it work properly on linux. The card does work the first time I
> boot the system right after the linux installation. But as soon as I restart
> the system the sound stops working. During the boot up process I see a line
> that says something like "initializing snd-card-sb16" and "Done" on the
> right side of the screen with green letters. If I try using the YaSt 2
> setup program it recognizes the card, but during the sound test there is no
> sound. It supposedly starts ALSA during the boot up process but that doesn't
> seem to do any good. I'm a total newbie to this linux world so if you can
> help me please be as descriptive as you can. Thank you in advance.
You will need to manually set it up via Yast 1 or 2, the IRQ is 10, the
DMA is 1,7 and the addresses are 220-228 (can't remember exactly),
however, you can get the IRQ's from Windows, then just use them when
yast requests them.
Matthew gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Y'all should be happy about this (or maybe not, I dunno)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:24:48 +1200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> mmnnoo wrote:
> >
> > The article says in 2000 Gates at 53 billion and donated 1 million.
> > Gee, 1 million is alot - unless you have another 52.999 billion left.
> > A million is 1/1000 of 1 billion, so percentagewise that's the equivalent
> > of someone who'd managed to save up 1 million giving away 20
> > in a year. I'm not saying 1 million isn't alot to donate, it's just
> > amazing how much 50 billion is.
>
> Not only that, but, he violates the first rule of charity...
> drawing attention to himself and his donations
>
> Oh...and most of those donations....are nothing more then Windows CD's.
I would be more impressed if Bill Gates didn't insist during interviews
on highlight how much he had donated. If he was a truly caring person
he wouldn't need pair recognition.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:30:32 +1200
Zorostorer wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Zorostorer wrote:
>
> > > Last I remember, Linus and the rest of the crew are the ones behind the
> > > Engineering. Hmm.......
> > You really don't know what a distro is, do you?
>
> And you don't seem to understand what Engineering is, do you?
>
German engineering is world renowned, hence, the world renowned quality
is now applied to the software made in Germany, mind you, Germany has
always made good software, such as SAP and Baan to name two enterprise
software titles.
Matthew Gardiner
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Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
From: Paul Repacholi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 Apr 2001 18:18:23 +0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> really. Name one piece of microsoft code that didn't originate on
> Unix or Macintosh.
> Accuracy counts, so be precise.
NT. MICA, but was derived from VMS 3.4 for the Prism.
DOS v1.0
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:35:52 +1200
Mark Hillary wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> Switch you windows computer on. Let it load half way up then switch it off.
> Repeat 5 times and see what sort of state windows is in after. Now try this
> on a linux box run reiserfs. My boxx only takes 1 second longer to boot up
> and doesn't complian once.
>
> Ah well FAT32 just isn't up to it.
>
> BTW I am just a normal user. 18 years old, can't program, doing my
> a-levels. After I dumped windows I have never needed a single bit of
> windows software. I have found programs from linux that work just fine. And
> you may say they have less features. Well I say good. I do not need the
> feature creep of windows.
>
> Will you be upgrading to windows XP. Because if you are you had better have
> a good machine to run it on. The OS it's self needs 128Mb memory. So that
> is a min of 256Mb to run anything on. Plus the recomended disk usage for
> the OS is 2GB. That is an Os with no programs that you can do anything with.
>
> --
> Mark Hillary
>
> Information is to be shared, whether it wants to be free or not.
Well, Windows XP would be a bitch for me, I have 384 MB of RAM so that I
get the benefits of being able to run more programs at once. If I went
down the Windows XP track I would have to shell out $NZ300, for another
256MB RAM (which would bring it up to 512MB RAM), ontop of the cost of
Windows XP just so I can maintain the advantage of having the extra leg
room when required.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:51:24 +1200
Todd wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > <snype>
> > > Hehe, come on matt...
> > >
> > > Seriously, where's Illustrator? Photoshop? Quark Xpress? Indesign?
> Flash?
> > > Colin McRae Rally? Half-Life? Flight Simulator? Dreamweaver? Director?
> Shall
> > > I go on?
> > >
> > > None of these apps have even similar-quality equivalents in Linux.
> > >
> > > I use Staroffice 5.2 also btw. It's great (for those rare times when I
> > > actually need an office suite). What the guy said isn't FUD, it's the
> god's
> > > honest truth. For a regular joe user, Linux is useless. It's great for
> > > programmers, but that's about all. If you want to get some R&R or do any
> > > kind of design-related jobbie, linux is sort of a dead end. Also, I'm
> not
> > > sure why they call win98 bloatware, when my Mandrake 7.2 install took up
> > > almost a gig and a half.
> > >
> > > It's ok in an office environment though, if office work is all it's
> going to
> > > be doing. Linux is a really good turnkey OS but not great at doing many
> > > varied things. That falls squarely in the court of Windows / MacOS.
> Unless
> > > it's games. Than there's nothing but windows (and not even 2000, just
> 98).
> >
> > As for running it in a design studio, I don't see in the short term
> > Linux making huge inroads, however, how do I or any one else knows that
> > Adobe of Macromedia are quiety testing out pre-alpha linux versions of
> > their software on Linux?
>
> How do we know they are?
How do when know they are not? Most companies start a little internal
beta, view the market place and decide whether to throw it on the back
burner for a while or whether to go the full monty. Macromedia maybe in
that phase. By the tone of your post you literately say, "it ain't
going to happen", well, it just might.
>
> > maybe they are just hanging around and may
> > release it when the time is right.
>
> And maybe they won't.
>
> In order to be productive, you need *the software*.
>
> Speculation doesn't get work done.
>
> Windows has the software, Linux doesn't.
>
> > No one knows. As for photoshop and
> > Quark Xpress, howmany home users out their use those sorts of titles,
> > considering Photoshop in NZ is $2500 +GST, and Quark Xpress is around
> > the same amount.
>
> Many companies (such as the one I work at) have deals with major software
> suppliers such that it allows the employees to work at home.
>
> I am not sure how these deals are done, but I do know that companies like it
> when their employees work from home :)
I was taking about general home users. Those circumstances you mention
are in relation to home offices which is a different kettle of fish.
Yet again I will emphasise that the average user doesnot use those sorts
of software.
>
> > As for the area of games, most people I know use gaming consoles such as
> > Sony Playstation because they can use it on their tv and have a larger
> > picture.
>
> There are many console gamers, yes.
>
> But they are different from PC gamers.
>
> This is the same argument OS/2 users use because they know Win32 games
> *rock* ; and they don't run on OS/2 (or Linux for that matter).
>
> Console games are played on TVs with a rez. of about 240x160... I am sure
> you are not going to say that 'rockz' over playing Quake3 in 1600x1280 :)
>
> Also, most console games are so limited they just don't impress me.
>
> Tribes 2 on a console ? NOPE.
>
> Ground Control on a console ? NOPE.
>
> Age of Empires II on a console ? NOPE.
>
> Space Empires IV on a console ? NOPE.
>
> get my point?
>
> The types of games PC gamers like mostly don't exist on a console.
Question, do you buy a new game each week? and would you get pissed off
if you ran out of games to buy? Most people don't buy a game each
week. The games for Linux are just as great if not better than what is
available on Linux. If you could do better, why don't you start up a
company dedicated to porting all these "popular games" to Linux, or
don't you have the balls?
> > Currently there are, for linux: Civilization: Call to Power,
> > Myth II, Railroad Tycoon II, Eric's Ultimate Solitaire, Heretic II,
> > Heroes III, Quake III Arena, Heavy Gear II, SimCity 3000, Sid Meier's
> > Alpha Centauri, Soldier of Fortune, Descent3, MindRover, Unreal
> > Tournament, Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns, Tribes 2, Deus Ex Rune, Heavy
> > Metal: F.A.K.K.2
>
> You just said most gamers like consoles, and now you are printing the almost
> complete list of games for Linux (very very limited compared to Windows).
>
> So what exactly was your point? (oh and the Tribes 2 client is NOT ready
> for Linux yet)
How many users have more than 5 games? bugger all, so get over your
little, "Windows has more games than Linux" fad.
>
> > That doesn't include some of the freeware games out there. So the range
> > of games available is quite extensive.
>
> But not *nearly* as extensive as for Windows.
List the Windows freeware games.
>
> > As for the comment regarding the size of Mandrake, that includes
> > StarOffice,
>
> StarOffice is *ok*, but not nearly as great as MS Office. Also, you need to
> be able to read and write what the rest of the world uses - and that is the
> (proprietary) Office formats. (Hey - I wish the formats were pure XML -
> don't flame me)
XML would be awsome, imagine, you save it in XML and no matter what
Office Suite is being used, they can read the file. Now that is what I
would call innovation, which, Microsoft not world renowned for.
>
> > uncompressors, compressors,
>
> WinZip is the best on the market - a win32 app. There are a bazillion of
> these tools for Win32 as well.
>
> > browsers,
>
> Yet Linux doesn't support IE6 - the best browser by far. Please oh Please
> don't even mention Netscape - I can pull back zillions of posts about how
> crappy netscape is (from all Linux users).
>
> And please don't try to convince w2k users that IE crashes - you will lose
> your credibility. YES, it does crash a LOT on 9x platforms ( I know it
> because I have used it at WAN cafes)
>
> BTW - Win32 has IE, Opera, MSN, GEO, and yes, buggy and crashy Netscape
> (although it didn't crash for me that much...)
Nutscrape Scabpicker 6 is a terrible browser, however, I prefer using
Konquorer for normal browsing. Mind you, the latest version 4.76 isn't
too bad, it hasn't crashed on be, yet.
>
> > mediaplayers,
>
> Heh - Win32 has a ton more media players than Linux. It even has "Media
> Player" which is going to blow your mind when you see version 8.
>
> BTW, it may be proprietary, but I tried out MS' new audio format. It really
> does sound better - and it compresses more. The downside is that it *is*
> proprietary... bummer. *But*, the *technology* is better and MS created it.
> Wish they would submit it to the standards board.
Why doesn't Microsoft make it a defact standard by developing players
for Linux, *BSD, Windows, Mac, Solaris, HP-UX and IRIX? then I would be
really impressed.
>
> > server
> > tools,
>
> Ok, besides the *old* MacOS, what OS *doesn't* have server tools??? W2k has
> more server tools than I know what to do with.
the previous poster wanted to know why the installation was so big, and
there was the answer, there are servers, freeware titles, office suites
etc installed by default.
>
> > development tools and many other third party tools you would
> > spend hours looking for and downloading.
>
> The best development tools exist for Win32.
>
> There was a nice shot of ID working on DOOM3 - and the ID developer was
> using... <drum roll/> Visual C++
What does Visual C++ do that Borland C++ doesn't? please expand on that.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Windows
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:57:16 +1200
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:46:08 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I prefer my Happy Hacker keyboard.
>
> I've been kind of thinking about trying one of those. Does the
> different layout cause you problems when you switch computers?
>
I only use it on the one computer, hence, I have not had any problems.
It is quite handy as the keyboard is smaller, thus, takes up less desk
space.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:59:48 +1200
mlw wrote:
>
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I have yet to see a convincing case for Microsoft SQl. If you need big and
> > bad,
> > > you go oracle. If you want simple and small, you go mysql, if you want
> > > midrange, go Postgres.
> >
> > What do you call *OWNING* almost all of the top TPC benchmark scores?
>
> TPC is practically meaningless for evaluating one component in a system. The
> TPC benchmarking system is very largely dependent on hardware and
> configuration, on top of that it is not a benchmark applied by a neutral
> entity. The systems are tweaked and hacked until they can do no better. To
> submit benchmark, one must be a member, and pay $1,500 per year. Since not just
> anyone can submit a benchmark, it is not a representative sample of all the
> reasonable alternatives.
>
> The TPC is not a "fair and equal" benchmark applied to similar systems, it is a
> hard core who can produce the biggest baddest system. It does not mean the
> system is designed for stability, maintainability, scalabity. It simply says,
> this whole system did this for this limited period of time. System vendors
> submit their benchmarks for bragging rights.
>
> However, if you look at the TPC-C benchmarks, and select "non-clustered"
> results, MS-SQL isn't even on the page, and if you look at the MS SQL clusters
> that do have top-10 performance they are huge clusters.
>
> Maintaining a huge cluster of computers over one large computer is much more
> labor intensive and expensive. In all reality, the price/performance does not
> include maintenance.
>
> If you look at the TPC-H benchmarks, MS-SQL shows how bad it is at scaling up
> to the big time.
>
> More over, the TPC does not factor reliability. A Sun UNIX system is vastly
> more reliable than a Windows 2K system.
>
> If you need to scale, REALLY scale, you will avoid MS-SQL and go with Oracle,
> or even DB2. MS-SQL can't hold a candle to these systems. If you need a
> moderate size database, you can go with Postgres for a tpc price/performance
> that is practically infinite. If you need simple small, mysql.
>
> >
> > > What value, over the above listing, does MS SQL bring to the table that
> > the
> > > above does not?
> >
> > Vastly superior cost of ownership.
>
> MS-SQL can't scale up, and there are low/no cost alternatives in the MS market.
> What "superior cost of ownership?"
Just going to jump in and say that the larger the cluster the more it
costs to maintain it when compared to say 2 big irons pumping out the
data, such as the s/900z 64bit Mainframe from IBM.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SQL Server sales up 44% in Q1
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:00:41 +1200
> What is it that you couldn't grasp ?
>
> That Microsoft is succesfully metamorphosing out of the maturing desktop cash
> cows ?
>
> I realize that Pinguinistas see the enterprise segment as the last best hope
> against You-Know-Who, but sooner or later they will wake up and smell the
> coffee.
Will they all move to Java?
Matthew Gardiner
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Subject: Re: Anyone running Mandrake 8.0 yet? Worth the d/l?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:56:35 GMT
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Jump onto irc.linux.com and join the Linux channel, they will most
>likely have at least one user who has downloaded it, and has it working.
Ah I should also have looked at alt.os.linux.mandrake at first!
--
Mick
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:05:23 -0400
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:58:00 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > > Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > What does this have to do with Linux advocacy? Is Linux, an
> > > >> > Is Lamic womans choice of OS?
> > > >>
> > > >> No, of course not; they're not allowed to make such choices. Linux
> for
> > > >> women's rights! :)
> > > >
> > > > Fuck them. They already have too mancy privileges and not enough
> > > > responsibilities, you simpering, ass-kissing ninny
> > >
> > > more anti-freedom rhetoric from anti-freedom Kulkis.
> >
> > Let's see...
> >
> > What do you call a system where
> >
> > Class A has many burdensome restrictions and many responsibilities
> > bot Class B, and NO privileges,
> >
> > while Class B has unlimited freedoms, no restrictions and zero
> > responsibilites to Class A
> >
> >
> > That is called FEUDALISM, is it not?
> >
> >
> > Now...look at the society which feminism has made for us.
> >
> > Class A above is defined as "men"
> > Class B above is defined as "women"
> >
>
> In your little fantasy world. I have unlimited freedoms and no restrictions?
> I can ignore all traffic laws? Too bad the cop that pulled me over didn't
"Booo hoooo hoooo, sob sob, my father (or husband) will kill me if I
get a ticket, boo hoooo hoooo"
"aw, poor little dearie...here's a warning"
> know that. Can I just go into stores and take whatever I want and it's
> perfectly legal? Cool! Can I just walk up to any man and start rubbing his
> dick? Well, yeah, I probably can. :) Anyway, can you write to my creditors
> and let them know I am a woman so they will stop sending me bills?
>
> Thanks.
>
> > So much for freedom and equality.
> >
> > Any man who supports Feminism is a self-flagellating idiot.
>
> Any man who thinks a woman should be paid the same for equal work is a self
> flagellating idiot?
>
> J
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 02:34:38 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:53:15 +1200...
...and Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Names of dictators that killed thousands, yet, not one word from the US:
> > >
> > > Pol Pot
> > > Alberto Penche
> > > Stalin
> > >
> > > If you are going to jump up on ya soap box and declare war on those who
> > > oppress the masses, please do it consistency.
> >
> > So you argue that the US should have stayed out of World War Two
> > because it is obvious that no single nation, not even them, can take
> > on all present and future dictators?
>
> If a country is going bitch about a countries human rights record, first
> they need to look at them selves (the Southern States, "Separate but
> Equal" Policy) and why they had not objected to the mass killings in
> places such as Cambodia and Chile, in fact, they actually supported
> chile.
Answer my question, please.
mawa
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to refer to someone who had _no_ interest in politics.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:06:45 +1200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > I come from a culture where we are renown for getting along with
> > > everyone. I know more about other country's history than my own. I know
> > > more about United States geography than most Americans. I was in a college
> > > bar in Ithaca and after listening for hours about how superior the
> > > American education system is to the rest of the world. I asked, "What is
> > > the capital of New York state?" They looked at me like I was a real
> > > Canadian moron and everyone at the table exclaimed it was New York city. I
> > > said it was my first time to the great state of New York but even I know
> > > that the capital city of New York state is Albany. I impressed the group
> > > since I know all 50 states and their capitals. My geographical knowledge
> > > is vastly superior.
> > >
> > > In Canada, we learn about everyone else. In the United States, they learn
> > > only about themselves and that basically consists of memorizing president
> > > names and battle dates. Knowledge like that is not really helpful when
> > > traveling abroad. In fact, I have found that Americans are the least
> > > clued in about what is happening outside their country. The smart ones do
> > > but that certainly did not come from their education system.
> >
> > Visited Canada, very nice place. oh btw, in History Classes:
> >
> > Fifth Form: Russian Revolution, The rise and fall of the third Reich,
> > the origins of the first world war, the cold war, Vietnam war, korean
> > war (Age: 15-16)
> > Sixth Form: Vietnam, Cold War, American Revolution (Age: 16-17)
> > Seventh Form: Elizabeth, James, Charles I, Oliver Cromwell, Charles II,
> > and in the last term, The treaty Of Waitangi. (Age: 17-18)
> >
>
> What are all of these different "forms" you are referring to?
You start school at the age of 5, The first 6 years you are Primary
School, next two years you're at Intermediate, then for 5 years you're
at College, which goes from 3 form to 7 form. University Entrance takes
place in seventh form where you require at least 3 C passes to be
accepted into a basic Liberal Arts Degreee. There are two options after
College, either Univeristy or Polytech, however, since both now can
teach degree level qualifications, the difference is now very small.
Matthew Gardiner
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