Linux-Advocacy Digest #852, Volume #33 Mon, 23 Apr 01 22:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: What's the point (Dave Martel)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM (Richard Hoskins)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Windows 2000 is Cool ("Hullo")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Chad Myers")
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Chad Myers")
Re: Intel versus Sparc (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! (jtnews)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Steve Long")
Re: Another Liar (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Things Linux can't do! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Matthew Gardiner)
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's the point
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:15:47 -0600
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:03:28 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> WJP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> This may be very true, Dave, however, there are programs available that
>> will supply immediate protection while using Windows on the internet -
>> and, similar to Linux, they are free. I use Zone Alarm, personal
>> edition. Right now, I'm averaging about six "port scans" a day (as
>> registered by ZA). I have gone to the GRC.com web site and tested my
>> network/system and it reports that I'm in "stealth" mode, which provides
>> some assurance that I cannot be hacked - within Windows, that is.
>
>If you read the security newsgroups you will have noticed that there
>have been security problems with most if not all Windows based
>personal firewalls.
Yep. Those firewalls are written by someone besides the OS developer
so they're not as tightly integrated into the kernel as linux firewall
code. Third-party afterthoughts just aren't the same.
I was researching rpcss.exe online the other day and happened across
several messages in which it was claimed to bypass software firewalls
during MS product registrations. The postings were anonymous and I
haven't done any packet sniffing of my own so don't know the validity
of the claims, but wouldn't put it beyond Microsoft. And I wonder what
will happen with XP's forced registration, or when XP starts rigidly
enforcing content protection?
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:27:52 +0100
>> The thoughts are already there. I remember that when I was in junior
>> school (ie younger than 12) being called `gay' was an insult. Although
>> we did not fully know what it was about, the intolerance had started.
>> Since the intolerance was there, it needed to be addressed. What better
>> time to address it than before it has had too long to become ingrained?
>
> Most 12-year old kids are in 6th grade.
Junior scool runs from 7 to 11. The 7 year olds joined in as much as
everyone else.
> Why were you still in 2nd grade?
I'm not familiar enough with h=the grade system in the US to identify
which ages fit in which grades.
>> Remember the old sayng: an ounce of prevention is worth more than a
>> pound of cure.
>Do the words "power of suggestion" mean anything to you?
I'm assuming you're hetrosexual. How much suggesting
would it have taken to have made you homosexual?
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: Richard Hoskins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
gnu.emacs.help,alt.religions.vim,alt.religion.emacs,fj.editor.vi,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM
Date: 23 Apr 2001 21:31:12 -0400
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Real programmers do that on _mechanical_ compters made from cast
> iron.
*Cast* iron? I'm still smithing my difference engines!
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:29:20 -0500
I don't have to believe them. The history speaks for itself.
If what you say is true, they would have had to have known they were
developing something called Windows NT long before they came up with the
name OS/2 NT, which would be before they even hired Dave Cutler.
"Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9c2hoi$ht3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> keep in mind most of the engineers hired by bill were the same guys
> developing VMS.
>
> and you believe them???
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:pP2F6.9486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9c2ais$eff$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > sorry...Excel is a MicroPro ripoff. come to think of it, the name
> > > "Microsoft" is a MicroPro ripoff.
> >
> > Microsoft has existed since 1975. When did MicroPro come into being?
> >
> > > WNT is a VMS rip-off...
> >
> > That is a coincidence. The name was originally created to reference
OS/2
> > New Technology, but when MS and IBM split, they changed it to Windows
New
> > Technology (then later changed it to say that NT didn't stand for
anything
> > since abbreviations are non-trademarkable)
> >
> > > for those that
> > > recall HAL (the letters of IBM backed up one each), WNT is VMS forward
> one
> > > character each.
> >
> > Arthur C. Clark has said time and time again that this is also a
> > coincidence. HAL stands for Heuristic, Algorithmic and Logarithmic
> > Computer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Hullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Windows 2000 is Cool
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:17:51 +0100
Reply-To: "Hullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It really is great, try it out.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:33:17 -0500
And your point is what? You are making wild ass statements without anything
to back them up.
MicroPro was founded in 1978, three years after Microsoft.
http://sanfrancisco.bcentral.com/sanfrancisco/stories/1996/11/11/story3.html
"Rubinstein's earlier creations made him a pile of money, but early exits
and bittersweet endings tarnished their success. His ambitions for Prompt
Software are driven in part by his failure to stay with MicroPro and make
the company a household name. He founded the company in 1978, drove sales to
$70 million and was its largest shareholder when it went public in 1984.
However, he lost day-to-day control in a corporate coup, which was carried
out while he lay in a hospital bed with a near fatal coronary in 1983."
"Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9c2il2$m5g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> see http://www.scrounge.org/worstar.html
>
> "During the period from the mid 1970's to the mid 1980's MicroPro WordStar
> ruled. WordStar was the first word processing program that was produced
for
> microcomputers.
> These early, um, personal computers typically ran the CP/M operating
system,
> that, quite frankly, bears a remarkable similarity to the MS/DOS operating
> system that we (mostly) are now using. (Except that it had no
> subdirectories. This wasn't quite as bad as it seems, because most users
> only used floppy diskettes, and separating things onto different diskettes
> served the same purpose as separating things into separate
subdirectories.)
> "
>
> there's more...
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:pP2F6.9486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9c2ais$eff$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > sorry...Excel is a MicroPro ripoff. come to think of it, the name
> > > "Microsoft" is a MicroPro ripoff.
> >
> > Microsoft has existed since 1975. When did MicroPro come into being?
> >
> > > WNT is a VMS rip-off...
> >
> > That is a coincidence. The name was originally created to reference
OS/2
> > New Technology, but when MS and IBM split, they changed it to Windows
New
> > Technology (then later changed it to say that NT didn't stand for
anything
> > since abbreviations are non-trademarkable)
> >
> > > for those that
> > > recall HAL (the letters of IBM backed up one each), WNT is VMS forward
> one
> > > character each.
> >
> > Arthur C. Clark has said time and time again that this is also a
> > coincidence. HAL stands for Heuristic, Algorithmic and Logarithmic
> > Computer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:18:17 GMT
"Boris Dynin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:NGQE6.20249$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Then why do my IIS 5.0 servers crash regularly? If I didn't have a
> > third party load balancer avoiding the ones that decided to pop
> > up a dialog box (from a service???) instead of restarting after
> > a crash they would be down much of the time. They are just
> > doing xsl transformations with Microsoft's msxml3.dll.
> >
> > Les Mikesell
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> This problem can be solved easily by writing a simple program in VB or C++.
> Have your watchdog service enumerate windows on the screen once in every
> several seconds. If message box window is found, emulate OK click.
Actually, if his IIS 5.0 servers crash "regularly" the solution is to
fire him and get someone with at least some type of intelligence.
Also, it might help to hire developers who didn't write crappy code.
I ran IIS 4 servers for several years without any of these types of
problems. IIS 5 is even more stable, and if he can get to crash with
any frequency, it's a user failure.
-c
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:34:36 -0500
"Chronos Tachyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:TY3F6.15222$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Mon 23 Apr 2001 04:18, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> [Snip]
> >
> > This is patently wrong. You can assign rights to do this in the local
> > policy editor. Just go to Administrative Tools in control panel, open
> > Local Security Settings, then Local Policies, User Rights. Double click
> > on "Load and Unload device drivers" and click "Add" and choose the users
> > or groups you want to be able to burn CD's.
> >
> >> See how easy Windows 2K is to use for users?
> >
> > That's why it it's called "professional". That's also why Whistler
> > personal will be simplified for these tasks.
>
> Ouch, instant security compromise if you run a trojan that knows what to
> look for. So much for the benefits of running as a mere mortal instead of
> Administrator.
And how is that any different from opening up Linux to allow normal users to
do priviledged activities?
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:37:00 +0100
> Y'know, it never ceases to amaze me the degree to which some people seem
> to believe that gay people are trying to recruit others.
I don't understand it either.
I expect there are some people, but the
only reason for that expectation is that in any given group of people,
some members of the group will attempt to bring non members in to that
group.
> Do they
> think, given the choice, I would PREFER to be a part of one of the most
> widely disliked minorities in today's society, much less drag more
> people into it?
I think the idea resides in the christian idea that people in sin try to
drag others in to sin (and in chritianity, homosexuality is a sin
punishable by stoning to death even though thou shalt not kill)
> Nature or nurture, whichever you may believe, I'm the
> way I am and it's not for lack of discouragement.
I don't understand the idea that saying things to homosexuals will put
them off members of the same sex. Do they also think that with suitable
discouragement that would stop being hetrosexual?
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:22:30 GMT
"Thomas Pfisterer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9c0o3q$6qs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
> MgIE6.146578$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > "mmnnoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:7KHE6.75389$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <3ae31a96$0$2383$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jon Johansan"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Wade Blazingame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:33AE6.6699$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >>
> > > >> > http://www.vnunet.com/News/1120413
> > > >>
> > > >> Not sure what vnunet is, but the fact that it got through a
> > > >> 20-paragraph review of Windows XP without a SINGLE MENTION of product
> > > >> activation, which has been one of the most hottest issues surrounding
> > > >> XP, is a clear tip-off that someone at vnu loves MS.
> > > >
> > > > You should read more of vnunet - they cover every major OS and are
> > > > DEFINATELY no fan of MS.
> > > >
> > > > However, product activation in XP is ONLY an issue with those that
> > > > intend to bootleg it. It is of NO issue whatsoever to those that
> > > > purchase legitimate copies.
> > > >
> > > > I've been working with the beta and it continues to amaze me how many
> > > > people have the operation of activation completely and categorically
> > > > wrong. I'll repeat: product activation is ONLY a concern to those that
> > > > bootleg XP - it means nothing to legitimate users. (small tidbit
> pirates
> > > > already know: enterprise versions of XP come with a "magic" key that
> > > > bypasses activation).
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, it is not a concern to me, but only because I will definitely
> > > never buy XP. Firstly, linux meets all my needs other than
> > > video games.
> >
> > So your needs are a mostly unusable OS with half-baked apps and
> > a buggy, if not completely broken UI? Cool!
>
> If YOU dont use anything it is unusable ?
>
> > > Second, I haven't bought any MS OS since Win '95,
> > > so I've fallen off the upgrade treadmill and it would cost a fortune
> > > to get back on.
> >
> > Poppycock. You've obviously never tried NT or let alone Win2K, so you
> > really don't know what your talking about. Win9x sucks, big time. NT
> > and 2K are far superior to anything else out there on the market,
> > includig previous MS oses.
>
> May i lol ?
> So why do i have to install the latest SR after every installation of any
> program or driver i install ????
> Perhaps i am wrong, but why are there 6 (six) "Service"-Releases for WIN NT
> 4.0 ????
So no patches have every been released for any other OS? What are those
things called "patches" I see for Linux?
> Isnīt SERVICERELEASE another name for BUGFIX ???
It's a fully regressioned tested collection of bugfixes. You do know what
regression testing is, don't you? Probably not, since you use Linux.
There is no concept of regression testing in Linux, they just put the
patch out and hope it doesn't blow anything else up.
>
> >You so realize that NT/2K are of a completely
> > different code base and are not the Win16-based crap that Win9x, are,
> > right?
> >
> > > Third, I've reinstalled my copy of Win '95 probably
> > > 10 or 15 times since I got it, due to hardware upgrades, drive
> > > repartitioning, and, most of all, Windows inevitably falling apart
> > > after installing and uninstalling a few too many prorams.
> >
> > Right, and this is why Win9x sucks. Win2K doesn't have this problem.
>
> W2K doesnīt have the problem with the registry ?
What problem with the registry?
> Another Joke ?
> And next you tell me Win NT and W2k do not have problems with memory
> management !
They don't, WinNT and 2K have excellent memory management. Better
than many commercial OSes out there today. Even better than Linux,
that's for sure.
> And that there are no security-holes !
Nah, never said that. Of course, no other OS is immune to this either,
so you have no leg to stand on there.
> Once SUN Microsystems purported that W2k has about 63.000 bugs, Microsoft
> itself objected this amount and corrected it to 28.000 bugs !
And Debian had like 37,000 bugs. Software has bugs. Bugs get fixed.
Win2K shipped with far less than 28,000 bugs. In fact, over 70% of those
"bugs" were merely feature requests and requests for different functionality
(i.e. something worked, but the button should be *here* not *here*, etc)
But then, why do I waste my breath. It's obvious you don't care about facts,
otherwise you wouldn't have made the above statements.
-c
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:40:47 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> <Disclaimer: I am not a professional C++ programmer>
>
> Have you ever used Visual C++? I know you guys hate Microsoft and all, but
> they have a good debugger that tracks memory overwrites. This is probably
> a common thing, but if it isn't, it's still pretty cool. It would catch
> this kind of stuff in one pass.
The Borland debugger caught it perfectly adequately; it just took me
awhile to realize just what was happening. Actually, the Visual C++
debugger is pretty good. To get as good, or a little better, you
have to go to C++ Builder 5 with CodeGuard support compiled in.
Visual C++ does have some serious language compliance problems, I feel.
But C++ Builder, when you use VCL code, is even worse!!!
Chris
--
"Where do you want to hang today?"
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From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:35:59 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> Anyone that buys an i810 based motherboard (and they sell millions)
Hey! I have an i810e in my Dell Dimension L600cx,
and my other 3 Dell Dimension L700cx's and it
works great with Linux!
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From: "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:39:05 -0400
it seems the point is that you are a microsoft zombie
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:rJ4F6.9496$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> And your point is what? You are making wild ass statements without
anything
> to back them up.
>
> MicroPro was founded in 1978, three years after Microsoft.
>
>
http://sanfrancisco.bcentral.com/sanfrancisco/stories/1996/11/11/story3.html
>
> "Rubinstein's earlier creations made him a pile of money, but early exits
> and bittersweet endings tarnished their success. His ambitions for Prompt
> Software are driven in part by his failure to stay with MicroPro and make
> the company a household name. He founded the company in 1978, drove sales
to
> $70 million and was its largest shareholder when it went public in 1984.
> However, he lost day-to-day control in a corporate coup, which was carried
> out while he lay in a hospital bed with a near fatal coronary in 1983."
>
> "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9c2il2$m5g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > see http://www.scrounge.org/worstar.html
> >
> > "During the period from the mid 1970's to the mid 1980's MicroPro
WordStar
> > ruled. WordStar was the first word processing program that was produced
> for
> > microcomputers.
> > These early, um, personal computers typically ran the CP/M operating
> system,
> > that, quite frankly, bears a remarkable similarity to the MS/DOS
operating
> > system that we (mostly) are now using. (Except that it had no
> > subdirectories. This wasn't quite as bad as it seems, because most users
> > only used floppy diskettes, and separating things onto different
diskettes
> > served the same purpose as separating things into separate
> subdirectories.)
> > "
> >
> > there's more...
> >
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:pP2F6.9486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:9c2ais$eff$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > sorry...Excel is a MicroPro ripoff. come to think of it, the name
> > > > "Microsoft" is a MicroPro ripoff.
> > >
> > > Microsoft has existed since 1975. When did MicroPro come into being?
> > >
> > > > WNT is a VMS rip-off...
> > >
> > > That is a coincidence. The name was originally created to reference
> OS/2
> > > New Technology, but when MS and IBM split, they changed it to Windows
> New
> > > Technology (then later changed it to say that NT didn't stand for
> anything
> > > since abbreviations are non-trademarkable)
> > >
> > > > for those that
> > > > recall HAL (the letters of IBM backed up one each), WNT is VMS
forward
> > one
> > > > character each.
> > >
> > > Arthur C. Clark has said time and time again that this is also a
> > > coincidence. HAL stands for Heuristic, Algorithmic and Logarithmic
> > > Computer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Liar
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:45:25 +1200
Hullo wrote:
>
> I note you are all compelled to lie and falsify postings (the below comment
> attributed to me is fake).
>
> I guess it's true - you people make things up compulsively.
>
> "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Henry_Barta wrote:
> > >
> > > Hullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > It's great.
> > >
> > > Yes! I actually got 15 days+ of uptime on my Win2K box.
> >
> > Wow, not bad for what you paid for it, I'll bet...
> >
> >
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:47:42 +0100
>> May i lol ? So why do i have to install the latest SR after every
>> installation of any program or driver i install ???? Perhaps i am
>> wrong, but why are there 6 (six) "Service"-Releases for WIN NT
>> 4.0 ????
>
> So no patches have every been released for any other OS? What are those
> things called "patches" I see for Linux?
Well, still means 2K isn't prefect then...
>> Isnīt SERVICERELEASE another name for BUGFIX ???
>
> It's a fully regressioned tested collection of bugfixes. You do know
> what regression testing is, don't you? Probably not, since you use
> Linux. There is no concept of regression testing in Linux, they just put
> the patch out and hope it doesn't blow anything else up.
In a well designed program, changinh one part will not cause wierd bugs
to crop up in an unrelated part. That is why linux is good. It is also
what this precious regression testing of yours takes so bleedin' long.
>> W2K doesnīt have the problem with the registry ?
>
> What problem with the registry?
Same as every other version of windows.
>> Another Joke ? And next you tell me Win NT and W2k do not have problems
>> with memory management !
>
> They don't, WinNT and 2K have excellent memory management. Better than
> many commercial OSes out there today. Even better than Linux, that's for
> sure.
A teensy weensy shred of evidence please?
>> Once SUN Microsystems purported that W2k has about 63.000 bugs,
>> Microsoft itself objected this amount and corrected it to 28.000 bugs !
>
> And Debian had like 37,000 bugs. Software has bugs. Bugs get fixed.
Are we talking about an operating system or an OS+a shed load of extra
applications shipped with it. How many bugs are there in Win2K+Win2K
terminal services+IIS5+Office95+IE+WMP+etc
> Win2K shipped with far less than 28,000 bugs. In fact, over 70% of those
> "bugs" were merely feature requests and requests for different
> functionality
> (i.e. something worked, but the button should be *here* not *here*, etc)
Yeah, sure.
> But then, why do I waste my breath. It's obvious you don't care about
> facts, otherwise you wouldn't have made the above statements.
>
> -c
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:50:09 +0100
>> > Linux can't crash at random every five minutes.
>>
>>
>> bash# sleep $RANDOM ; cat /dev/zero > /proc/kcore
>>
>> See, Linux can do everything!
>
> I prefer "startx".
I thought you were allergic to command lines.
-Ed
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:51:09 +1200
Jon Johansan wrote:
>
> and all that means... you are a unix dude... ok. so?
>
> Gee, an OS that is bogged down by _buggy apps_ who'd a thunk?
> I'll bet I can create a buggy app that'll bog down any OS if the bugs were
> gnarly enough eh? silly...
>
> memory usage too high? What's the yardstick? If you compare usage to
> Commadore 64 levels then even Linux is a memory PIG! However, we're not. And
> 256 megs of ECC RAS2 memory will set you back a whooping $89 - do you really
> need to be concerned about 486's running with 32 megs?
$89, no, its is not, you are looking at least $NZ150 for 128MB RAM, that
is standard, off the shelf memory, I have 384MB of RAM, which works out
to be around $NZ450 worth of memory in my computer. The memory usage of
an OS sound be as minimal as possible, for example, the Amiga 500 used
100K to load Workbench 1.3.2 out of 1.5MB of ram (excluding the
FastMem), compare that to a Average computer, at 128MB, which the OS
alone takes up 32MB of RAM, that is an example of bloat. If Microsoft
concerntrated on making Windows more secure, smaller, both disk and
memory usage, I would be prepared to pay up to $1000 for it, however,
Microsoft insists on sloppy code, well, you get bloat as a result.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:54:25 +1200
Jon Johansan wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > However, product activation in XP is ONLY an issue with those that
> intend to
> > > bootleg it. It is of NO issue whatsoever to those that purchase
> legitimate
> > > copies.
> > >
> > > I've been working with the beta and it continues to amaze me how many
> people
> > > have the operation of activation completely and categorically wrong.
> I'll
> > > repeat: product activation is ONLY a concern to those that bootleg XP -
> it
> > > means nothing to legitimate users. (small tidbit pirates already know:
> > > enterprise versions of XP come with a "magic" key that bypasses
> activation).
> >
> > I agree with your statement regarding the activation. I have been using
> > commercial UNIX's for years, and most software, such as SUN Forte
> > Developer require registration as each installation is node locked,
> > however, in a large organisation, there is a floating license which
> > bypasses the activation. Maybe Microsoft is learning yet again from the
> > UNIX world. I do however have a concern with its salability, in a small
> > specialised market this sort of licensing is easy to police, however,
> > imagine call centres bombarded with thousands of calls per minute of
> > people pissed off waiting 20 minutes for service.
>
> Think: Activation can be automated over the internet ... and it is.
True, true, however, comspiracy theorist Aaron will come up with a story
about how the data will be used in a communist plot again America.
Personally, I couldn't care two hoots whether Microsoft requires
activation because, 1. no one forces you to buy either Windows XP of
Office XP, there are alternatives, such as Wordperfect Office 2002 and
Lotus Smart Suite that do a pretty good job. 2. The only people who are
worried are pirates and conspiracy theorists who have nothing better to
do than come up with a grand story.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
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