Linux-Advocacy Digest #854, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Aaron Kuklis Arrested! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Women's rights and responsibilities. (Brent R)
Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM (WJP)
Re: Windows 2000 Rocks! (WJP)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Chad Everett)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Michael
Ejercito)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Michael
Ejercito)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Michael
Ejercito)
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! (Matthew Gardiner)
IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT (Dave Martel)
Re: Windows 2K is crappy: a couple of examples (Chad Everett)
Re: Intel versus Sparc ("Boris Dynin")
Re: Intel versus Sparc ("Jan Johanson")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Jan Johanson")
Re: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Chad Everett)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Jan Johanson")
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:23:12 +1200
> So you're saying Windows 98/ME copes better with memory problems? 8)
Nope, it means that Windows 98 doesn't thoroughly check the memory
before installing the OS, Windows 2000 does, however, Windows 9x/ME
doesn't. Also, many crashes that may have occurred in Windows could
have been due to memory faults, not software faults.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron Kuklis Arrested!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:27:22 +1200
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:37:23 +1200, Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Well, last time I checked, NZ wasn't exactly the center of the computing
> >> universe. :)
> >>
> >> In Silicon Valley, where most tech. companies are located, there are a lot
> >> of jobs requiring MSCE (or at least state that it is a bonus).
> >>
> >> -Todd
> >Why are there a higher percentage of MSCE student failures in the US?
> >Also, have you considered that the NZ doesn't have tax breaks on
> >research or subsidies or other government tentacles in business.
> >
> >Have you tried Jade? an oo programming language. IBM supports it.
> >Sausage Software, started by Mr Outram, although the Aussies tried to
> >claim him as their own, he is actually a New Zealander. There are plenty
> >of New Zealand sucess stories, however, like the Japanese, New
> >Zealanders don't like to toot their own trumpet.
> >
>
> All the New Zealand success stories turn out to be Australian in origin.
Like what?
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:33:16 GMT
On Mon 23 Apr 2001 08:34, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
[Snip]
>>
>> Ouch, instant security compromise if you run a trojan that knows what to
>> look for. So much for the benefits of running as a mere mortal instead
>> of Administrator.
>
> And how is that any different from opening up Linux to allow normal users
> to do priviledged activities?
>
Very. In Linux, you have at *least* 3 options that are more secure than
what you described for Win2K:
1) Make your CD writing program setuid. If I'm not mistaken, cdrecord (the
most commonly used CD writing program under Linux) is designed to be
relatively secure when made setuid, although I wouldn't really trust it
without a full source audit.
2) Do a "chgrp cdrom /dev/{sr,sg}0; chmod 0660 /dev/{sr,sg}0", then make
your CD writing program setgid. This way, the program does not gain root
permissions at any time during its execution.
3) Do the same chgrp/chmod, then edit /etc/login.defs so that users who log
in at the console automatically gain access to the cdrom group.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men
Subject: Re: Women's rights and responsibilities.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:34:02 GMT
Stephen Morgan wrote:
>
> In soc.men, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:01:19 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:17:32 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > >> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Never been in Saudi Arabia, have you, so please keep your ignorant
> > > >> > stereotypes to yourself.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm not invoking "ignorant stereotypes", I am quoting what I believe is
> > > >> a fairly good source.
> > > >
> > > > Well, considering that I ***LIVED*** In Saudi Arabia for a year, I say
> > > > that your source is full of shit.
> > >
> > > You've found very little in the way of flaws in my source.
> >
> > I don't need to "find" the flaws...they are self-evident from my own
> > PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF LIVING IN SAUDI ARABIA FOR A YEAR
> >
> > > All you've done
> > > is dispute the assertions I've made about clothing. Note that the document
> > > I cited acknowledges that westerners are not as restricted in terms of
> > > clothing.
> > >
> > > But many of the points still stand. Are women allowed to drive, or leave
> > > the house without a male relative ?
> >
> >
> > What about it?
> >
> > They get many privileges, and many restrictions
> >
> > In contrast, in the United States, we have stripped all of men's
> > privileges, and all of womens' restrictions, giving us a society
> > where men have all the responsibilities and restrictions, and women
> > have all of the privileges.
> >
> > In other words...FEUDALISM.
>
> You obviously have very little idea of how the feudal system worked.
> --
> Working Class
> The proletariat so beloved of Marx and Engels are still alive and well and
> living in vast areas of terraced housing in the major industrial cities. Alf
> Garnett was their hero and he was adopted by US TV and renamed Archie Bunker.
> They dislike foreigners, toffs and anything new. They watch the telly, go
> down the pub, watch the match on Saturday and go to spain to get drunk. They
> fight our wars and fight at football matches. Not a pretty sight.
Oh yeah I remember Alf! From Melmac right? Remember that time he tried
to kill that cockroach but the spray just kept making it bigger and
bigger! Haha... Gawd the hilarity that insued!
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: WJP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
gnu.emacs.help,alt.religions.vim,alt.religion.emacs,fj.editor.vi,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:43:20 -0500
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:57:39 +0100, "Edward Rosten"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> If you can't create your program by careful motions of a magnet across
>>> the surface of the disk platters[1] yer a weenie.
>
>Clean rooms are for suits.
>
>>> [1] Yer also a weenie if you don't have at least one clean room in your
>>> home to do such things. :)
>>
>> magnetic disks are for weenies.
>>
>> real men use punch cards.
>
>punch cards are for weenies.
>
>Real men use front panel switches.
>
My brother, (Zerox retiree) would most likely say:
Real men use program boards, wires, etc.
(He was a programmer trained by the Army at Fort Devens circa 1958.)
Bill Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: WJP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Rocks!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:52:51 -0500
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:48:19 +0100, Nigel Feltham
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I bought a Mac when it came out. It was pretty darn limited, but
>> the GUI was revolutionary for a "home" computer back then. They
>> were REALLY hard to open up too. You needed a 6" long torx tool
>> and a really thin strong piece of metal to crack the case.
>>
>
>The MAC wasn't the first home computer with a GUI - the apple LISA was
>first (not very popular though).
>
ISTR with my Apple //e a quasi-GUI called "Geos". This would have been
circa 1984. I had a devil of a time getting that installed on the 10meg
HD. Can't be sure, as my memory of late is frequently porous.
Bill Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:53:19 GMT
"Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3ae45e41$0$2769$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Except that it isn't true. Many companies are finding that an NT/2K
> solution is
> > not more stable, is not cheaper, is not easier to manage.
>
> Except that what you just wrote is NOT true. W2K IS much more stable and
> cheaper and in every single way imaginable much MUCH easier to manage. I
> mean, night and day differences.
Stable? Where's the W2K box that's been running for 2 years?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Apr 2001 21:33:36 -0500
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:30:13 +0100, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Hatred of male-hating sexism =/= hatred of women.
>>>
>>
>> This is interesting, because technically, it is possible to be sexist
>> against men. If you look up sexism, it means "prejudice against women"
>> So you can't use the work sexism as a way to describe "prejudice against
>> men". I had a big argument with a feminist about this once...and when I
>> looked it up, she was right.
>
>No, she wasn't. It depends on the dictionary. My one (Longman) states
>that it is discrimination on the base of sex. It does note that it is
>usually used to describe descrimination against women.
>
>Another dictionary I have (Collins Gem) says that it is descrimition
>based on a persons sex.
>
>Also, if you look up the prefix -ist in the dictionary (in this case the
>Longman one again)
>
>2 -ist /suffix/ (-> adj)
> showing prejudice on grounds of (/rac/ist)
>
>According to the definition of the suffix, sexist does not necessarily
>specify a direction of the prejudice.
>
>So, according to my two dictionaries, this feminist is not correct in
>general, since at best there is no firm consensus on the meaning.
>
Yeah, but you need to use some real dictionaries.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:56:57 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:tv4F6.184287$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Boris Dynin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:NGQE6.20249$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Then why do my IIS 5.0 servers crash regularly? If I didn't have a
> > > third party load balancer avoiding the ones that decided to pop
> > > up a dialog box (from a service???) instead of restarting after
> > > a crash they would be down much of the time. They are just
> > > doing xsl transformations with Microsoft's msxml3.dll.
> > >
> > > Les Mikesell
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > This problem can be solved easily by writing a simple program in VB or
C++.
> > Have your watchdog service enumerate windows on the screen once in every
> > several seconds. If message box window is found, emulate OK click.
>
> Actually, if his IIS 5.0 servers crash "regularly" the solution is to
> fire him and get someone with at least some type of intelligence.
IIS crashes, it generally doesn't take the whole machine, except that
fairly often it will get into a state where the admin tools (both local
and remote) claim to be doing a restart but actually don't. Sometimes
this will also be followed by a failure to respond to remote
reboot commands and hanging at a point where vnc running as a
service has been stopped.
> Also, it might help to hire developers who didn't write crappy code.
Essentially the only developer-written code is in the form of xsl
sheets and calls to transformNode (from a Microsoft-supplied
dll). There may very well be bugs in the xsl/xml or both. Does
that mean IIS should crash when reading it?
> I ran IIS 4 servers for several years without any of these types of
> problems. IIS 5 is even more stable, and if he can get to crash with
> any frequency, it's a user failure.
It works fine delivering static pages, but the ads don't say it is
limited to that.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Ejercito)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:57:34 GMT
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:28:34 +1000, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Michael Ejercito wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:17:21 +1000, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Michael Ejercito wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:08:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> (silverback) wrote:
>> >> >yup fucking raygun did it in Central America. Tricky Dick in Chile.
>> >> Proof?
>> >
>> >The U.S. admits that to killing Allende of Chile.
>> Was the killing ordered by the government?
>
>Nixon had the CIA set it up.
Proof?
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Ejercito)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:58:29 GMT
On 23 Apr 2001 12:42:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:03:12 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Mathew wrote:
>>> A 16 year old at Burger King, where they can only work part time,is
>>> hardly comparable to 12-14 hour work days of children as young as 6.
>>
>>In some parts of the world, such work is FAR more useful to the child
>>than any high-end education (when living in a 3rd-world shithole,
>>lessons on astrophysics are....a luxery. Food on the table is a
>>necessity. Hope that helps).
>
>There's a wide spectrum between no education and astrophysics.
>And if you work 12 hours a day at a back-breaking job when you are
>a kid, you don't get any education.
You learn how to work, which is more than what some people learn
here.
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Ejercito)
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:00:55 GMT
On 23 Apr 2001 14:59:43 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:52:50 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>> So, feeding the kid and giving him an education is a communist plot
>>> to produce a viscious circle of communist indoctrination.
>>>
>>> Therefore, the kid should work 12 hours a day selling candy in the street
>>> for the greater good of the world and the american way.
>>
>>
>>If that's *HIS* choice, who are you to complain?
>
>He can choose to do that or die. That's no choice.
Well, that is just nature. Nature is cruel.
Michael
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:02:54 +1200
jtnews wrote:
>
> jtnews wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > > But unlike the cheap box from Dell, you already have the improved
> > > hardware on your home-built machine.
> > >
> > > Homebuilt Dell
> > > --------- ------
> > > Initial cost $X $X
> > > cost to Upgrade to desired spec $0 $hundreds
> >
> > But the cheap box from Dell has all the hardware
> > I want.
> >
> > All I do is add 128MB of memory and a 2nd 45GB
> > hard drive. I buy these from crucial.com
> > and the cheapest online merchant respectively.
>
> Oh, I add on a Linksys LNE100TX card too,
> from the cheapest online merchant.
True, I have a Dell, and have upgraded by hard disk to 60 gig's, my
memory to 384MB, my graphics card to a tnt 2 128 bit, and installed a
Soundblaster Live! In the area of processors, depending on what you
want to do, it can be a bitch, however, I am quite happy on my PIII
550Mhz. My next upgrade will be to upgrade my memory to 512MB Ram,
change the CD-ROM to a DVD-ROM and by a 19 inch Trinatron Flat Screen
Monitor, if I do have enough, I may also grab a new graphics card. I'm
quite lucky in that I have a reseller account that allows me to get all
the gear at wholesale prices.
Matthew Gardiner
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Disclaimer:
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:54:30 -0600
Just some numbers of general interest.
<http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2001-04-23-004-06-PS-SM>
"Windows NT revenues will grow $8.1 billion from $4.7 billion in 1999
to $12.8 billion in 2004. Linux revenues will increase almost $3.7
billion from just $366.8 million in 1999 to $4.1 billion in 2004. Unix
revenues will grow $3.5 billion from $11.4 billion in 1999 to almost
$14.9 billion in 2004."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2K is crappy: a couple of examples
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Apr 2001 22:10:14 -0500
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:24:45 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:9c2a0m$caf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:_%0F6.9473$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > Moved the CD-RW drive to a SuSE 7.1 Linux box and with a few easy
>> > > and well documented permission settings on a device file and I've
>> > > got a CD-RW drive that normal users can use to create CDs.
>> >
>> > Well documented? About as well documented as the Windows settings to do
>> the
>> > same thing.
>>
>> *How * can I do the same thing with Windows 2000?
>
>I've already said how in another post.
>
>1) Run the program as administrator from your user account.
>2) Give the user the user rights to load and unload device drivers.
>
Trouble is what you suggested doesn't work worth beans on W2K Pro.
Why don't you actually try it before you suggest it.
First: Easy CD Creator and NERO both tell you that only Administrator
can write to CDs on Windows 2000 Pro.
Second: I don't want users to be able to load and unload any device
driver that they want. I want to only give them access to the CD/RW
drive. I'm sure you can see the difference.
Bottom line: no solution on Windows 2K Pro. Users can't use CD/RW
drives to create CDs.
Try it yourself and you'll see.
On linux, it's no problemo.
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From: "Boris Dynin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:17:50 -0700
> At that point, we realized that the Intel platform
> was the cause of the trouble (not to mention the
> dumb way of allocating/using such a large buffer).
> The code had been originally developed on a SparcStation.
You are mistaken. Below is a test which I compiled with MS Visual C++ 6 ( I
set stack size to 66MB in linker stack size option field). It works just
fine (even if a bit slow) on my home system: 96MB P200.
stacksize.cpp:
#include "memory.h"
#include "stdio.h"
struct SBig
{
char dummy[64000000];
};
int foo(SBig sBig)
{
memset(sBig.dummy,0,sizeof(sBig.dummy));
return 0;
}
main()
{
SBig *pSBig = new SBig;
printf("foo returned %d\n",foo(*pSBig));
}
Boris
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: 23 Apr 2001 22:17:10 -0500
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jon Johansan wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > We downloaded the mingw32 version of gcc, and got
> > > the code to build. It still crashed. I even
> > > went as far as to build it for Linux -- a core
> > > dump resulted.
> >
> > WHAT?! I thought linux never crashed. You mean some unrulely application
> > took the whole system down?? But it can't be - I thought only evil nasty
> > Windows did that?
>
> That's a core dump, you numbskull -- a core dump is the result of
> the OS writing an errant processes memory space to disk, so
> that the user can do a post mortem on the process using gcb
> (the debugger). The only result is a file named "core".
> Linux continues running.
>
> You've just revealed your age range and experience to a
> lot of us here.
>
Errr... yea, of course. This is my sarcastic reply to the same thing that
happens whenever Windows advocates are treated to the similar crap about Dr.
Watson errors ("it crashed the OS") or most any other app fault that seems
to indicate to the linvocates that all of Windows died cause one application
bit it. If you are not the same Chris who made those comments then I've
misdirected my sarcasm, sorry 'bout that.
besides, forget "experience" - a simple read of the post itself is enough to
know it's not a system crash. I thought my sarcasm was obvious - oh well...
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: 23 Apr 2001 22:19:12 -0500
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:zU5F6.6825$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:3ae45e41$0$2769$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > Except that it isn't true. Many companies are finding that an NT/2K
> > solution is
> > > not more stable, is not cheaper, is not easier to manage.
> >
> > Except that what you just wrote is NOT true. W2K IS much more stable and
> > cheaper and in every single way imaginable much MUCH easier to manage. I
> > mean, night and day differences.
>
> Stable? Where's the W2K box that's been running for 2 years?
Well - I'd imagine that is about as possible as the linux 2.4 (release
version) box that's been running for a year. Get it? I'll give you a clue,
W2K release date < 2 years!
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IDC's projected revenues for 2004 for Linux, Unix, and NT
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:19:40 +1200
Dave Martel wrote:
>
> Just some numbers of general interest.
>
> <http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2001-04-23-004-06-PS-SM>
>
> "Windows NT revenues will grow $8.1 billion from $4.7 billion in 1999
> to $12.8 billion in 2004. Linux revenues will increase almost $3.7
> billion from just $366.8 million in 1999 to $4.1 billion in 2004. Unix
> revenues will grow $3.5 billion from $11.4 billion in 1999 to almost
> $14.9 billion in 2004."
That doesn't take in account that there are more small businesses run my
computer illiterate people who can only use NT, thus, it is easy to
blear on how great it is, when really it is used out of necessity, not
reliability. Also, that doesn't take into account the fact that UNIX
vendors don't charge per-user who logs onto a server, you pay, say $75
for Solaris, and that's it! no extra charges. Also, the UNIX market is
mostly contained to the high end serves and high end workstation
markets, which are specialised markets, a bit like Rolls Royce vs. GM,
of course GM make more money, however, Rolls Royce don't because their
area is specialised, aka, high end, high quality, exclusive cars. Mind
you, with that being said, Rolls Royce has spread out into different
areas, such as engines for jets used on the Airbus Aircrafts.
Unfortunately SUN is too stubborn to take UNIX to the mainstream. If
SUN approached Macromedia, Adobe, Apple, Corel, Lotus and numerous other
third party software producers, and offered them x amount of dollars to
cover the porting of their software to the Solaris platform, then may be
more businesses would consider adopting the Sun Blade 100 as a
replacement for wintel desktops in large organisations.
Matthew Gardiner
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Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 23 Apr 2001 21:57:12 -0500
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:34:36 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Chronos Tachyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>message news:TY3F6.15222$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Mon 23 Apr 2001 04:18, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>
>> [Snip]
>> >
>> > This is patently wrong. You can assign rights to do this in the local
>> > policy editor. Just go to Administrative Tools in control panel, open
>> > Local Security Settings, then Local Policies, User Rights. Double click
>> > on "Load and Unload device drivers" and click "Add" and choose the users
>> > or groups you want to be able to burn CD's.
>> >
>> >> See how easy Windows 2K is to use for users?
>> >
>> > That's why it it's called "professional". That's also why Whistler
>> > personal will be simplified for these tasks.
>>
>> Ouch, instant security compromise if you run a trojan that knows what to
>> look for. So much for the benefits of running as a mere mortal instead of
>> Administrator.
>
>And how is that any different from opening up Linux to allow normal users to
>do priviledged activities?
>
>
What he suggested is patently WRONG:
Trouble is what you suggested doesn't work worth beans on W2K Pro.
Why don't you actually try it before you suggest it.
First: Easy CD Creator and NERO both tell you that only Administrator
can write to CDs on Windows 2000 Pro. Whether I've given users
permission to load and unload device drivers or not.
Second: I don't want users to be able to load and unload any device
driver that they want. I want to only give them access to the CD/RW
drive. I'm sure you can see the difference.
Bottom line: no solution on Windows 2K Pro. Users can't use CD/RW
drives to create CDs.
Try it yourself and you'll see.
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: 23 Apr 2001 22:20:46 -0500
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Jon Johansan wrote:
> >
> > But I stated a fact.
>
> You stated an opinion, pure and simple. You can't assume that you know
anything
> about what I think.
I based my comment upon reading your non-stop spewing of blind hatred for
anything remotely related to MS. I've never seen you once give quarter to
any MS product and given that MS products do not universally 'suck' it's
obvious your opinion...
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