Linux-Advocacy Digest #967, Volume #33 Fri, 27 Apr 01 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Red Hat has become scary? (GreyCloud)
Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM (GreyCloud)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (GreyCloud)
Re: Aaron Kookis: over 340 posts in 6 days! (Brent R)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised ("JS PL")
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (GreyCloud)
Re: Aaron Kuklis Arrested! (Brent R)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 ("pookoopookoo")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Chad Everett)
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat has become scary?
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:08:59 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "B. R. Ivy" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone out there think that Red Hat is moving towards a
>proprietory OS?
> > > > > > > > > > > > I really appreciated the way that RH 7.0 installed but it
>almost seemed too
> > > > > > > > > > > > slick. And now they want to bundle in the way too pretty
>Nautilus GUI with
> > > > > > > > > > > > 7.1. I'd hate to wake up five years from now with another
>Microsoft on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > horizon. Ideas? Opinions?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Randall Ivy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The difference is that there are alternatives, such as SuSE
>Linux, and
> > > > > > > > > > > Mandrake. I find it rather humourous that Sepo's don't know any
> > > > > > > > > > > products made outside the US. Mention the words SuSE, SAP or
>Baan and
> > > > > > > > > > > you get blank faces, mention software such as Jade and there is
>even
> > > > > > > > > > > more blank faces. What the heck is wrong with people? Its like
>during
> > > > > > > > > > > the 70s, the quality of US cars were going further down hill,
>whilst the
> > > > > > > > > > > Japanese made cars were superior and cheaper, yet, no sepo's
>bought
> > > > > > > > > > > them. Is that xenaphobia at the extreme?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No...just illogical arrogance based on an irrational form of
>nationalism.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It's one thing to be proud of your country...it's yet another to
>assume
> > > > > > > > > > that all foreigners are inferior.
> > > > > > > > > > That's what got Germany, and Japan, and eventually the Soviet
>Union in trouble.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hell yes. But atleast you don't see Germany or Japan trying to be the
> > > > > > > > > world policeman. They have learnt their leason. However, US still
> > > > > > > > > haven't learnt it, even with all the nut cases out there wanting to
>blow
> > > > > > > > > up US government buildings. You only need to look at the US's
> > > > > > > > > involvement in Somalia to show how arrogance + ignorance = disaster.
> It
> > > > > > > > > is one thing helping a country, it is another thing to tell a country
> > > > > > > > > what to do. However, what I can say, is, the Soviet Union was the
>first
> > > > > > > > > to develop biological weapons, with the first one being developed,
>one
> > > > > > > > > carrying a antibiotic resistant strain of the smallpox virus. The US
> > > > > > > > > said it was impossible, the Soviet Union proved them wrong. The US
>had
> > > > > > > > > one space station, the Soviety union threw up 5 into orbit. Little
> > > > > > > > > facts most people in the US fail to comprehend, that there is NO ONE
> > > > > > > > > country that has contributed to human technological advance, but
>many,
> > > > > > > > > and until this happens, the rampant arrogance will continue to grow.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Running SuSE Linux 7.1
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The best of German engineering, now in software form
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Actually a lot of americans ask this same question... why us?
> > > > > > > > (policemen) The corruption is so deep and wide spread that its no
> > > > > > > > wonder when an american goes overseas for a vacation that we get spit
> > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you're getting spit on, then you're doing something wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was wearing an Army uniform at the time enroute from Panama thru
> > > > > > Gautamala to L.A.
> > > > > > I guess I did stick out like a sore thumb.
> > > > >
> > > > > You're kidding. Every SEADA briefing I've had tells us to ALWAYS
> > > > > travel in civilian clothes, unless travelling on government transport.
> > > > > [And even then, it depends...]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Didn't exist in 1968. I was briefed, then, by the State Dept. and I was
> > >
> > > Ah...you're older than I thought....in fact, you must be around my dad's age.
> > >
> > > > told it was safe. It was safe, spit don't hurt. Just didn't know that
> > > > it was going to happen then. When I got back, I reported it to S-2. I
> > > > also went by commercial air as I was paying for it out of my own pocket,
> > > > vacation. All I had on me was the ok to go on vacation.
> > > >
> > > > After that the Gov. chartered commercial air flights and scheduled
> > > > vacations when it was available. But when I changed duty stations I had
> > > > to go by MAC.
> > > >
> > > > I'd suppose that things were starting to change.
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > >
> > I'm really retired. And suffering from high blood pressure. That
> > problem really sneaks up on you and then its almost too late. I went to
> > the doctors office with my ears ringing loud and mind in a fog... took
> > my pressure... 240/120. Damn near blew a gasket!
>
> Cut the salt out of your diet. It's easier than you think.
>
> I still use it occasionally, but only on corn, french fries, and broccoli.
> you get all the salt you need in your daily meat consumption.
>
> > Taken care of now. Anyway, still catching up on Unix and what it can
> > do. Eventually, I'll receive a vax-4000 in the mail.. as used one
> > running vms 6.2. Has vax fortran and C on it already. It has two
> > ethernet ports on it and will connect it to this IBM and use putty.exe I
> > got from Rice U. (vt330 emulator). I need to get somewhere a hardware
> > fire-wall as wife wants to get on broadband. I don't trust software yet
> > to keep out intruders.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
Salt was the first thing mentioned. I have accomplished a 75%
reduction.
Feel a lot better too.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:11:44 -0700
"Brian V. Smith" wrote:
>
> In article <9c3g1q$afs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> |> Wires, yes. Sondering? no. They crimp the wires with their fingers (any
> |> weenie can crimp using teeth).
>
> Wires! We dreeaamed of having wires! We had to wet our skin and make connections
> with our fingers!
>
I think my grandfather invented the copper wire. He was so tight-fisted
that when he found a penney on the ground another tight-fisted man also
had his fingers on the penney. They tussled and fought.
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Brian V. Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www-epb.lbl.gov/BVSmith
> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
> I don't speak for LBL; they don't pay me enough for that.
> Check out the xfig site at http://www-epb.lbl.gov/xfig
>
> To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the
> glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is too small
> for a decent safety factor.
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V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:14:04 -0700
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Matthew Gardiner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:35:52 +1200
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Mark Hillary wrote:
> >>
> >> Matt,
> >>
> >> Switch you windows computer on. Let it load half way up then switch it off.
> >> Repeat 5 times and see what sort of state windows is in after. Now try this
> >> on a linux box run reiserfs. My boxx only takes 1 second longer to boot up
> >> and doesn't complian once.
> >>
> >> Ah well FAT32 just isn't up to it.
> >>
> >> BTW I am just a normal user. 18 years old, can't program, doing my
> >> a-levels. After I dumped windows I have never needed a single bit of
> >> windows software. I have found programs from linux that work just fine. And
> >> you may say they have less features. Well I say good. I do not need the
> >> feature creep of windows.
> >>
> >> Will you be upgrading to windows XP. Because if you are you had better have
> >> a good machine to run it on. The OS it's self needs 128Mb memory. So that
> >> is a min of 256Mb to run anything on. Plus the recomended disk usage for
> >> the OS is 2GB. That is an Os with no programs that you can do anything with.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Hillary
> >>
> >> Information is to be shared, whether it wants to be free or not.
> >
> >Well, Windows XP would be a bitch for me, I have 384 MB of RAM so that I
> >get the benefits of being able to run more programs at once. If I went
> >down the Windows XP track I would have to shell out $NZ300, for another
> >256MB RAM (which would bring it up to 512MB RAM), ontop of the cost of
> >Windows XP just so I can maintain the advantage of having the extra leg
> >room when required.
>
> Pedant point: unless you have a 4-slot machine similar to mine
> and are removing 2 64MB ram sticks (which is possible), 384+256=640.
>
> Just checking. :-)
>
> Of course, I still remember Apple ][ with its whopping 48K memory.
> What the hell is MS WinXP doing in all of that RAM?
>
It's a simulation of Bill Gates new mansion... which isn't finished yet.
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 10d:04h:52m actually running Linux.
> Microsoft. When you're not aggravated enough.
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron Kookis: over 340 posts in 6 days!
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:14:43 GMT
The, Mudshark wrote:
>
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:18:47 GMT, chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Is there anyone else in the world so full of himself, so sure of
> >himself, so in love with the sound of his own voice, so devoid of a
> >life that on some days he'll post well over 50 obnoxious,
> >argumentative messages into a single newsgroup?
> >
>
> Maybe Aaron administers Linux machines. They run so smoothly and
> efficiently that they require minimal user intervention and he has a
> lot of time on his hands.
>
> No, I am not being flippant.
>
> Mudshark
Ozccam's (sp?) Razor. Think about it.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:16:20 -0400
"Macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Marx was a genius, intuiting truths about the human experience which
> > were quite original.
>
> Marx was a moron. Complete, unadulterated moron.
>
> For example, Marx' theory holds that the only value that an item of
> commerce has is the labor that went into it. Productivity--irrelevant.
> Quality--irrelevant. Innovation--irrelevant. Value = some constant times
> the number of hours of labor.
>
> Even the most flaming liberal ought to see the flaw in that theory. For
> example, a worker operating high speed machinery (which costs millions
> of dollars) could produce a chair in 10 minutes. It would take me 10
> hours to produce the same size chair, although since I'm a lousy
> woodworker, the chair would probably collapse the first time you sat on
> it.
>
> According to Marx, my chair is worth 60 times as much as the
> machine-produced chair.
That's why Max is so similar to his hero Marx. He believes the value of
software is the cost of the medium on which it is burned.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:16:18 -0700
David Goldstein wrote:
>
> pookoopookoo wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> > That's great. Let's say I have a preconfigured Linux box, I go out and buy
> > myself an agfa cl-20, what are my chances of installing it on my own, as a
> > regular joe user? Just curious, I actually have no idea if this will work or
> > not =)
>
> I get so tired of hearing about "regular joe user" being able to use
> windows. Why do all of my friends, family and acquaintances have to
> call me to help them get something set up on their windows box? Linux
> is just as easy to install as windows is (check out SuSE). For either
> installation, certain knowledge is required that joe user simply does
> not have. If there is Linux support for the hardware that you wish to
> install, reading the INSTALL.txt file will help you get it up and
> running. Much software these days is just as easy to install under
> Linux as Win(any), since many software producers now use "Install
> anyhwere." Most of the time, simply accepting the defaults for an
> install are just fine. When you do not wish to use the default values,
> specifying other directories (oops, folders--how stupid) is just as easy
> under Linux as Win(any).
>
> David
That happens to me a lot as well with setting up or fixing windows
problems with the neighbors.
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron Kuklis Arrested!
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:18:23 GMT
David Goldstein wrote:
>
> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> > > What possible benefits does HTML have over normal text? Apart from being
> > > able to click on a click and the browser automatically loads?
> >
> > Several, actually, including, for example, some degree of layout control,
> > the ability to highlight important items, to define headings, etc, etc.
> >
> > I know, I know, the idea of allowing users to have flexible control over
> > things like layout and appearance is anethema to the folks who are all
> > for allowing users to have flexible control over things like OS settings.
> > Go figger.
>
> When you are posting to a newsgroup, there is no benefit to HTML
> encoding. You simply add to the problem of wasted bandwidth. In most
> places outside of the US, the flatrate is non-existent, by the way, and
> it costs these people more to read your crap than if you simply posted a
> text file.
>
> David
Also most ISP automatically drop HTML posts so you may not even get
through and if you post twice and both posts go through, once in HTML
and once in text, you will annoy people doubly.
There is a special place in hell for HTML posters. Don't do it, don't
even think about it.
Hopefully the same will apply to email some day as well.
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:20:08 GMT
On Thu 26 Apr 2001 09:08, Chad Myers wrote:
[Snip]
>
> <sigh>
>
> I just love the arrogance. It's funny when someone who isn't really
> all that smart thinks they know so much and then pretends to put down
> someone they see as less intelligent, when all they are really doing
> is embarassing themselves.
>
Hmm, sounds familiar, I wonder who else fits that description... ISTR there
was this one chap claiming that SSH was horribly insecure because of a few
minor imperfections in the protocol. Hmm, now who was that?
> The fact is, Win2K AS has been in use in production environments since
> before its official release date. Dell was using Beta 3 for production
> web servers, accounting systems, as well as several other enterprise
> applications.
>
I would hardly trust production systems to beta software from a company
with Microsoft's track record on stability, but to each their own I suppose.
> Availability with Win2K AS is extremely high. Unfortunately, it's
> impossible to compare it with Linux since Linux simply cannot
> play at that high of an enterprise level. Linux has high availability
> when you're running a DNS, DHCP, or FTP server perhaps, but it can't
> seem to do much else without falling over. Lord knows it's
> not a stable, nor secure web platform.
>
This paragraph had me LOLing in real life for a good 30 seconds. Chad, you
certainly know how to perk up my day. Oh, what's that, you're SERIOUS?
Excuse me...
OK, I'm back. Well, Linux admittedly isn't quite yet up-to-snuff as far as
performance goes on the bigger iron machines, although 2.4 has improved the
situation. But to claim that it merely falls over is bullshit.
> Win2K AS, OTOH, is. And there is much data and evidence which demonstrates
> this. Look at any professional Win2K AS implementation and you will see
> one that has yet to go down or be compromised in any way.
>
This reminds me of the "no real Scotsman" fallacy. "Such-and-such Win2K AS
site was on attrition.org last week." "Well, no *professional* Win2K AS
implementation has been harmed yet. Those guys were obviously amateur or
incompetent administrators."
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:24:46 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:FC3G6.209390$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Boris Dynin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:YuQF6.114$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > > If there is an exception in MSXML.DLL, Server package process will
> > crash
> > > > and ASP will get an error code.
> > > > Server package process will be restarted by COM+.
> > >
> > > What does it take to make that happen? Apache is pretty
straightforward,
> > > but have never found any documentation for IIS that makes any sense.
> > If you subscribe to MSDN library edition ( ~$100 per year) you'll get
all
> > the docs you need (manuals for resource kits and sdks). Maybe Technet
> > subscription will be better for you: it's geared towards sysadmins/IS
> > managers.
We have developers with the subscription, but none of them know
how to configure IIS.
> The MSDN docs are free online if you don't want to pay and don't mind
> not having a local copy (the MSDN site has never been down, so it's
> not a bad trade-off):
That pretty misleading, since there have been times when no one
could reach MSDN, the recent DNS outage being one of them
and coincidentally one of the few days I was trying to find
something there.
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library
I have a hard time finding anything here. Do you have any hints
on how to find the specific instructions to set up the msxml3.dll
to keep running?
> As far as getting IIS to restart the package, it happens automagically.
> If the package crashes, the next time it's requested COM+ will go "Well,
> hey, that package isn't started..." and start it up.
If it restarted automagically, I wouldn't be here complaining about it.
Either it isn't restarting or IIS just refuses to access it again after
it hits an error. IIS keeps accepting connections and often will
continue to serve static pages but it just hangs on any page that
needs xml/xls processing (most of the site). Restarting IIS
seems to be the only cure. And if it happened to pop a dialog
box as it crashed you can't do the restart with the remote tools,
you have to click the button as many times as it appears.
> To ensure this is very robust, ensure that you have medium or higher
> isolation with the package for maximum availability.
Then why does the default installation of msxml3.dll not work
with those settings?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "pookoopookoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:13:10 -0400
> How do you make money in a Linux shop? You are a sysadmin (even
> windows needs these guys, so much for ease of use), you program in Java,
> Perl, PHP, C++, database admin/developer, etc..., pretty much the same
> way that you make money in a win shop.
Yeah, but you're supposed to give away your code (unless you're programming
a custom app for a given company and even then, you should give it away).
Open Source dictates that you should. Otherwise, no one has any way of
knowing if the code is good or not. Proprietary is bad.
> I am in the process of setting up a business. I will be using Linux
> servers and using state-of-the-art software technologies. The
> workstations will also be Linux, with a couple of boxes to test
> winclients on (web-based interfaces--should not be a problem). All of
> the skills mentioned above will be needed for my project and I will be
> hiring people to do these jobs. So, how do you make your living?
I'm a hardware tech. Your computer is broken, I fix it. But I'm working hard
to get out of this shitty, uncreative buisness. I'm also a full-time design
student. I want to work with computers, not ON them =)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26 Apr 2001 22:23:43 -0500
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:16:06 GMT, Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <9c9f5s$7ol$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JoFi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... <snip> >
>> >> Tell me Jon,
>> >>
>> >> How do you achieve 5 9s *regularly* with server software that has been
>> >> out for just over a year? Remember that 5 9s reliability is a
>> >> statistical measure, and your sample is too small to be trustworthy.
>> >> Once again, someone who knows virtually nothing about advanced server
>> >> concepts can beat you on simple logic. You're not very smart are you?
>> >> One good crash and your much-touted W2k servers are down to 4 9s *at
>> >> best*.
>> >>
>> >> Mart
>> >>
>> >>
>> > So your saying that 1000's of servers giving 5 9's reliability for 1-2
>> > years is not good enough. Whats makes you think that years 3-4 will be
>> > any different. Do you have ANY issues which could arise in year 3 and
>> > not in year 1 or 2?
>> >
>> Ok,
>>
>> 1. Jon didn't qualify how many servers he had in his setup, so I
>> obviously can't comment on that, and neither can you, unless you *are*
>> Jon Johansen.
>> 2. 1-2 years? FYI Windows 2000 was introduced in February 2000. I don't
>> know if Datacenter Server was available right from the start but given
>> that it was, that's 1 year and 2 months, nowhere *near* 2 years. I remain
>> steadfastly convinced that 1 year is not a good sample size for server
>> reliability. Now come back when you've had your cluster up and running
>> for 5 years.
>> 3. The most damaging of all: it takes a cluster of 1000's of machines to
>> get 5 9's??!!!
>
>I don't know who would set up a cluster of 1000's of boxes for anything
>other than calculating distances in space or something.
>
Well I guess this tells us how little you know then.
>Win2K can do in a fraction what an IBM or Sun big-iron box can do, and
>for a fraction of the cost:
>
Are you a comedian?
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