Linux-Advocacy Digest #976, Volume #33 Fri, 27 Apr 01 06:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Windows 2K is crappy: a couple of examples (GreyCloud)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-) (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh! (GreyCloud)
Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh! (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-) (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Windows 2000 is Cool (GreyCloud)
Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("un-parged")
Re: MIcrosoft: Words, denial and WTF! (GreyCloud)
Re: MIcrosoft: Words, denial and WTF! (GreyCloud)
Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Tomaz Cedilnik)
Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed. (GreyCloud)
Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare? (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2K is crappy: a couple of examples
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:58:14 -0700
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:32:35 +0100,
> Nigel Feltham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Moved the CD-RW drive to a SuSE 7.1 Linux box and with a few easy
> >> and well documented permission settings on a device file and I've
> >> got a CD-RW drive that normal users can use to create CDs.
> >>
> >
> > I recently upgraded the CD burner in my dual-boot win98se / mandrake 7.2
> > machine from a 2x2x6 speed unit to a 12x10x32 speed unit - the result on
> > booting into linux was the system showed no indication that the hardware
> > had changed but burning a CDRW disc resulted in a complete disc in about 6
> SIX MINUTES!!!! ouch!
> My Ricoh 8*8*32 takes a full ten minutes, under Linux (no Windows, dont' touch
> the stuff myself)!
>
> > minutes compared to 35 mins with the old drive.
> >
> > I then booted into win98 - with my existing software I could only burn a
> > CDRW at 4x speed so I installed the Adaptec EX-CD software supplied with
> > the new drive - the result of this was the machine refused to boot and
> > just bluescreened during the boot process. It took nearly 2 hours of
> > internet browsing to find the cause of the problem - the file SCSI1HLP.VXD
> > installed by the software conflicted with my DVD drive.
> >
> > There - upgrading a CDRW drive on linux just works without any hassle yet
> > upgrading on windows kills the OS and takes hours to find the cause
> > (without linux to browse with to find details of problem I'd have had to
> > spend most of this week reinstalling Windblows and every application I use).
> >
> >
> >
> Gee Nigel,perhaps you should use Win2k, apparently 'hullo I'm braindead' thinks
> it rocks ?
>
Hullo is a troll, let alone a head hunter! Hullo is a phony!
> Perhaps he will send you a copy in the mail ?
>
> --
> Kind Regards
> Terry
> --
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:59:54 +0100
> p.s., most people fail to realize - you CAN fully manage your W2K box
> via the command line. Hell, there IS a telnet server built-in.
And the rest of are are now using ssh. So windows is still 20 years
behind.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:03:50 +1200
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> [snips]
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9c8t75$qoe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> .net, I would go for it, however, on one condition, I expect 24/7/365
>> uptime, and if there is any downtime, I expect atleast $100 for every
>> minute I cannot access my data. If my data is corrupted in anyway,
>> because of hackers, crackers etc. I expect a minimum compensation of
>> $10,000.
>
> Sounds good. Where can I find a Linux-based server that'll host my data
> and guarantee the above repayment rates when the data isn't accessible?
>
I was simply pointing out that no one can promise 100% 24/7/365, even if
everything is designed perfectly, just one act of god and through the whole
idea down the toilet, hence the reason Client machines are here to stay.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:03:37 -0700
Todd wrote:
>
> "P. Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:XdTF6.15893$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9c6fqj$tsn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Two things:
> > >
> > > 1) Not every DOS program worked under the OS/2/DOS system, and
> >
> > Correct - anything that required direct hardware access had a tough time
> > under OS/2.
>
> Not just programs that needed direct hardware access... many programs had a
> rough time. *Especially* programs that required the hardware timer.
>
> > > 2) OS/2 could be brought down (the whole system) with an errant DOS
> > program
> >
> > In my 3 years of using OS/2 back in the early 90'ies, I don't recall
> > that happening even once.
>
> You are very lucky then... I started using OS/2 since the 1.3 version days
> when it was 16 bit. Once 2.0 came out, I was hooked (until NT 3.51 was
> released)
>
> > Invalid drivers could, yes. But once that
> > problem was over, I never experienced DOS programs even remotely getting
> > close to this.
>
> Hmmm... well, I guess my 4-5 systems with OS/2 on it just didn't get along
> with the hardware... OS/2 crashed many times. And the SIQ problem was very
> annoying.
>
> > Btw. I had a BBS system running out of my OS/2 box at home - that was
> > several DOS programs, running in VDM's. I never had a box crash on me,
> > even if the BBS programs did (which was the reason I moved from DOS/QEMM
> > to OS/2).
> >
> > > I know. I used to run Warp and it happened sometimes.
> >
> > I started pre-warp and ended on Warp, and never saw this problem. Can
> > you give me an example on a situation where the crash happend in
> > (consistently of course).
>
> I used OS/2 for a couple years. That was a while ago. There were so many
> examples I don't know where to start. I guess one example is a program (a
> game) that I wrote myself. Wouldn't run under OS/2 very well.. timing
> problems. Sometimes it brought down OS/2.
>
> No problems under 'real' dos though...
>
> > > However, it was a nice feature when it worked (most of the time).
> >
> > All of the time
>
> No.
>
> It didn't work all of the time.
>
> If it had, and OS/2 was great, I would have never switched to NT.
>
> > - however, IBM never fixed some of the bigger problems,
> > like opening up for more applications and it's crazy installation
> > system.
>
> IBM never fixed OS/2's major problems... such as the SIQ problem. Even
> today, it still exists. Stupid.
>
> -Todd
>
> >
> > --
> > P. Larsen
> >
> >
No offense Todd, but I was hooked on VMS. It was such a breeze to
program under.
Under any MS product, I've ran into limitations. I will never go back
to MS! They still have a bad track record. Try out their compilers and
find the bugs the hard way.
--
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:05:21 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > Karel Jansens wrote:
> > >
> > > Previously the winvocate mantra was: "Windows is soooo good, why would I
> > > not pay for it?"
> > >
> > > ... which made kinda sense; after all, they already _had_ paid for it,
> > > so why not rationalise your faux pas.
> > >
> > > In the past two or three days I've come at least twice across posts
> > > which essentially say: "OK, so Windows is too expensive, let's pirate
> > > the crap out of it. It's okay, because the corporate sharks pay for us
> > > pirates anyway".
> > >
> > > ... which is weird. Has Windows suddenly become less than worth its
> > > price? Has Microsoft decided to take out some precious features so that
> > > suddenly Windows has become less valuable?
> > >
> > > Or is this how winvocates perceive free software?
> > >
> > > It's kinda like certain people (with initials CM) who go around the
> > > newsgroups for _years_, touting Windows 9x as God's Gift To the
> > > Community, and then suddenly changing their tune to: "Well, Windows 95
> > > was crap, obviously; and NT wasn't too good either. But Win2k... now
> > > that's the best operating system ever".
> > >
> > > You gotta laugh, eh?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Karel Jansens
> > > ==============================================================
> > > "You're the weakest link. Goodb-No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!!"
> > > ==============================================================
> >
> > And of course, as soon as Windows XP is released you will have all the
> > winadvocates claim that Win2k, win 9x and win ME are crap, and XP is the
> > way of the future. Solaris, from day one, it has just been getting
> > better after each release. Linux, same situation. Windows, stuck in the
> > same rut for, well, at least 15 years. I see no progress what so ever,
> > the only people who are ammused are the end luser, who, like most
> > simpletons are ammused by the simplist of items, a bit like how flies
> > are attracked to light.
>
> Not really fair. Windoze has been getting better with each release
> (except ME) but it hasn't been getting better as fast as Unix/Linux and
> started from being so totally PISS POOR!
> --
> http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
Sorry to disagree with you on any windows product. Solaris 8 has
treated me much better than I ever expected.
--
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:07:51 +1200
>> Now it says 'security fix files' have been infected with a virus. How
>> does this not substantiate my subject? What's an admin supposed to do? As
>> soon as they hear about a patch for a security bug they should download
>> and install. Next thing they know their systems are infected. It is hard
>> enough keeping up with Microsoft security patches (over 2 security bugs
>> per week in 2000 for Microsoft software - a record) without having to
>> check if they are infected as well.
>
> How is 2 bugs a week a record? I see dozens of patches a week to Linux.
>
> If you find keeping up with MS patches difficult, you must be literally
> livid about keeping up with Linux patches.
>
>
>
>
>
Have you ever used UNIX before, because most people will know is that as
soon as a fix becomes available, the company/distro posts it, compared to
Microsoft where you have to wait 3 months for a service pack that is not
guaranteed to fix the problems you are facing. I would rather more
patches, than waiting in limbo for two months hoping that my server doesn't
crash because I was waiting for the next service pack to be released.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 is Cool
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:07:36 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hullo wrote:
> >
> > It really is great, try it out.
>
> So you've said. I would however, rather cut off my own balls. Now shut
> up and piss off
> --
> http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
LOL!! Hullo is nothing more than the hated Tele-marketers!
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From: "un-parged" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:52:22 +0100
cross-post removed
Parg2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> ><cut>
>
> >Personally, I wonder who the dumbass was who programmed in the
> >"Math is haaaaaaard" into them at one point.
>
> {Parg} Apparently, whoever tried, failed; women are now taking over your
> jobs...even in math. <G>
> >
>
>
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MIcrosoft: Words, denial and WTF!
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:08:49 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Office XP, yet another over hyped, under performing suite. <snip>
>
> I'm told Office XP has a SIGNIFICANT enhancement - no fucking paperclip!
> --
> http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MIcrosoft: Words, denial and WTF!
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:09:37 -0700
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:34:34 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ><snip>
> >> Office XP, yet another over hyped, under performing suite. <snip>
> >
> >I'm told Office XP has a SIGNIFICANT enhancement - no fucking paperclip!
> >
>
> Yes, this is true. In Windows XP, Clippy has been replaced with a nipple
> clamp sporting a whip and leather chaps. Every question posed receives
> 5 cracks of the whip.
BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! THAT'S EVEN BETTER! :-))
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare?
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:12:49 +1200
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9c8uuf$sk2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I complain when products are sold at $1300, for an Office Suite! when
>> Wordperfect suites all my needs, and it is sold at 1/2 the price. You do
>> the math, and work it out. The most I have ever paid for piece of sofware
>> was $900 for Corel Draw 9 for Windows 2000. $800 for Windows 2000 Pro,
> $800
>> for a flaming OS! if that isn't highway robbery, then I don't know what
> is!
>> For $184 I have SuSE Linux 7.1, a complete OS, with applications, support
>> etc. I would also be interested in the number of users who casually let
>> their mates borrow their copy of Office and Windows, because it is clear
>> that not all people have that sort of money, yet I know so many with a
>> "back up version" sitting at their house.
>
> I don't know what the new zealand dollar is compared to the US dollar, but
> can it be that bad? Win2k Pro is only $295 US.
>
Yes it is that bad. Users in the US get it good compared to shit that gets
shovelled in New Zealand. Microsoft software is expensive, when compared
to how much is costs in the US. Hence the reason why Windows 2000 Server
never took off in New Zealand, because of the cost and the system
requirements (even more costs for a business), want proof, search the
information technology section of www.stuff.co.nz
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Tomaz Cedilnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:11:33 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> allan wrote:
> >
> > Just cool down here guys. This is supposed to be "support" newsgroup
> >
>
> What the fuck are you talking about?
Allan probably didn't notice that the thread was widely cross-posted
(from the very beginning).
And you, Aaron, you are a good example of a bad NG user. 1 line of reply
to 1 quoted line, 25 unnecessary quote lines, 50 (!!!) lines of
signature. My signature is 4 lines and that's supposed to be some kind
of standard size (ok, have 5 or 6 lines of you need, but 50!?!?) And
they people say "Don't!" when I want to post a binary sized 50-100 bytes
(yes, I mean bytes, not kilobytes). Takes less space than a short post.
Instead of forbidding binaries they should limit the size of posts
because that's what the idea is.
Tom
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed.
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:13:20 -0700
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:58:28 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hullo wrote:
> >>
> >> I originally posted to try and get material for an anti W2K perspective for
> >> a report to a particularly trite director
> <snip>
> >> Bye all.
> >
> > Well, sonny, if you came in here for any anti W2k material all you had
> > to do was read, not post. You aren't a very bright manager then if you
> > post the way you did. I suspected as much from the beginning. If I
> > were you, you should get your resume ready as I hear the unemployment
> > line this year is going to be long.
> > However, I suspect you already are unemployed. I don't need a job as
> > I'm retired and have it made in the shade sonny. I already have my
> > hobby and I could care less about MickeySoft products.
> > Oh, BTW, don't install W2K in lieu of UNIX... you'll be sorry.
>
> Hahahaha, I nominate Greycloud for best Hullo, goodbye post. This will be a
> close contest as the quality of the submissions are so high this time.
>
> --
> Kind Regards
> Terry
> --
> **** ****
> My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux.
> 1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes..
> Current Ride ... a 94 Blade
> ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org **
I'll take my nomination bows later. Obviously 'Hullo' is a losing Human
Resource Director that is afraid of his boss's shadow.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare?
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:14:25 +1200
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>
>> "pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> > > It's more than just number of users. There has to be a viable market
>> > > as
>> > > well. Many software developers don't see the Linux market as viable
>> even
>> > > though it probably has enough users to otherwise make it so (if it
>> > > were
>> a
>> > > closed source platform, like the Mac).
>> >
>> > What is a viable market? I am a developer and I DO see a viable market
>> > in the server space. I do think that the desktop space needs a lot more
>> > work for "average" users, but even now there is still a BIG market if
>> > you can find the right product.
>>
>> Server space yes, and this is primarily where Linux is currently getting
>> the vast majority of its "shrink wrap" support.
>>
>> Desktop still has yet to be seen. Companies like Eazel are not doing
>> well,
>> while companies like Loki are barely getting by. "Breaking even" is not
>> a
>> quality for a viable market. Profit is.
>>
>> > > The reason is that Linux users are always screaming about price, and
>> > > how
>> > > things are free. ISV's see this as "Nobody wants to pay for
>> > > software,
>> and
>> > > I'm not going to write it for charity".
>> >
>> > Linux users DON'T talk about price - they talk about freedom.
>>
>> Strange, but i've read hundreds of messages here bitching about the price
>> of
>> Office, Windows, license consts, etc. Many Linux users *DO* talk about
>> price as their prime motivating factor.
>>
>> > Most of us
>> > have wads of cash for the right products: hardware OR software. In fact
>> > for many users of Linux (such as in business networking) price is not
>> > even a consideration. But I do take the point that many companies are
>> > not well informed about this distinction and are put off by this. Many
>> > companies have a far too simplistic model of how to make money from
>> > open software and therefore just do not examine the potential or they
>> > even think that they _must_ produce open software.
>>
>> There are very few companies in the Linux market that are even "breaking
>> even". Just recently, everyone cheered when Red Hat said they
>> "effectively"
>> broke even, and Red Hat is the largest of the group. We've seen the
>> failures of non-german SuSE, Stormix, and many other Linux vendors.
>
>
> SuSE 7.1 is currently stocked at CompUSA and Best Buy.
>
> If that's failure, then we need more failures.
>
That doesn't include the various small software and hardware shops, and the
online shopping malls.
Matthew Gardiner
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Disclaimer:
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If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:14:11 -0400
Phlip wrote:
>
> >>Huh, IP can seldom cope on a GOOD day. The idea of an IP based network
> >>staying up under severe stress is just too funny to be funny.
>
> During the Gulf War when the US bombed Iraqui "command and control
> facilities" they were often going after network servers. They never brought
> the net down.
>
> Staying up during a war is what TCP/IP was >designed< to do.
In fact, that was part of the SPECIFICATIONS by DARPA
***DEFENSE*** Advanced Research Projects Agency
>
> --
> Phlip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -- Personally qualified to snub Mensa --
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare?
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:17:35 +1200
Mart van de Wege wrote:
> In article <9c91ar$u8f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matthew Gardiner"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>> I know RMS wants to use the power of the herb to open his mind, and that
>> everyone to live in peace in harmony, however, Linus unlike RMS
>> understands the reality of the marketplace, hence the reason why he
>> doesn't care whether there are proprietry packages for Linux, RMS is the
>> only person who has a bee in his bonnet. I have never heard him (Linus)
>> claim that proprietry code is "evil" or "un-moral".
>>
>> Matthew Gardiner
> Well,
>
> When it comes to kernel code, Linus can be (and quite rightly so) *very*
> militant about proprietary code. Just check a few back issues of Kernel
> Traffic* for his comments on binary-only device drivers. Yes, he did call
> them 'evil' and 'braindead' and a few other choice phrases besides.
> I agree with him, I had to install the nVidia drivers for my TNT chip,
> and system stability went down the tubes (like total lockups during
> power-save mode, thank god for Sysreq-k).
> Compare this with HP, which publishes well-behaved source-only drivers
> for their all-in-one PSC500 (which I have). This makes for a great
> scanner, and even though only at 0.7, these drivers still have to bring
> down my sytem.
>
> Mart
>
> *http://kt.zork.net/
>
That was not a political statement, it was a technical one, it is a bitch
when users have to wait for the binary versions to catch up. Had the
source been open, and part of the kernel, then users would instantly get it
when each kernel revision.
Matthew Gardiner
--
Disclaimer:
I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
Running SuSE Linux 7.1
The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:19:13 +0100
>> And people here have said you are stupid? Does that make you stupid?
>
> There's a big difference as to what get's posted as "news" and what gets
> posted here.
People thinking Suse in a Windows killer does not mean it wants to be
one.
Besides, do you believe _everything_ you read in the news? If so, I
could highly recomend the daily sport to you because they have some
really *true* stories in there.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:17:47 -0400
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9c8t75$qoe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > .net, I would go for it, however, on one condition, I expect 24/7/365
> > uptime, and if there is any downtime, I expect atleast $100 for every
> > minute I cannot access my data. If my data is corrupted in anyway, because
> > of hackers, crackers etc. I expect a minimum compensation of $10,000.
>
> Sounds good. Where can I find a Linux-based server that'll host my data and
> guarantee the above repayment rates when the data isn't accessible?
No need....the data WILL be available
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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