Linux-Advocacy Digest #158, Volume #34 Thu, 3 May 01 14:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: KuKuNut, USA/USAF Doctrine for Airlift Operations? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts ("Mart van de Wege")
I think I've discovered Flatfish's true identity... (Aaron Ginn)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin)
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:01:34 GMT
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > I suppose you could look at it that way, but I don't see
> > how it's Microsoft's fault that their competitors produce
> > second rate products. :D
>
> DR-DOS was not second rate. It included things susch as disk compression
> that MS-DOS did not. It also forced Gates to either lower prices or at
> least not raise them.
DR-DOS only looks good next to MS-DOS. It's junk
next to Windows.
Really. I'm not saying everything MS made was gold. :D
> CP/M was not second rate. MS-DOS was a "poor-cousin" clone.
Actually it was. CP/M needed a serious upgrade to make it on
the IBM PC, because it was written for an earlier CPU that
only could access 64k of memory.
DR-DOS did eventually produce this- it was called
CP/M-86, I think. But I don't think it was ready when
IBM tried to cut a deal with them.
> Unix was/is not second rate.
A fine server OS (well, bunch of OSes), but it simply
doesn't even begin to cut it on the desktop.
Sure, it's better than DOS. What isn't?
> Linux is not second rate.
It's just like Unix.
> BeOS wouldnt have been second rate.
I don't know what you mean by this. It
was emphatically second rate; it might have
become better given time, but in reality that
didn't happen.
> Lotus 1-2-3 was not second rate.
Well, no, but they stuck to DOS too long-
and this limited them. Excel was able to do
things Lotus could not because it could leverage
Windows techology.
By the time Lotus came over to Windows,
they were playing catch up. And Microsoft
fought them doggedly, as you'd expect.
> WordPerfect was/is not second rate
A similar story as with Lotus 1-2-3.
WordPerfect for DOS was about as good
a DOS word processor as you could have-
but Windows raises the bar by a lot.
DOS desktop apps aren't competitive
with Windows apps- they don't have the
tools to be.
That's why Lotus and Wordperfect's
supposition that they could sit on their
dominance of DOS was so mistaken.
> Go system was not second rate.
I'm not so sure. *None* of the pen based OSes
have been good enough to catch fire yet. Not
that Microsoft's attempts have been any better.
As far as I know Go's product wasn't any
worse than anyone else's though.
IMHO there's a certain level that these
things have to reach before anyone can
hope to dominate the pen computing
market. I don't think they've got there
yet.
[snip]
> Becasue the other testimony showed Microsoft has a history of
> manipulating the industry.
Well, at least it showed that MS's competitors didn't like
MS very much. :D
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,soc.men,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: KuKuNut, USA/USAF Doctrine for Airlift Operations?
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:09:20 -0400
WesTralia wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > WesTralia wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > billh wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > > >
> > > > > > Nah. Bill Hudson just doesn't want to admit that equipment is ROUTINELY
> > > > > > used in ways that lie outside their doctrinal classification.
> > > > >
> > > > > Happens quit often, Kulkis. That doesn't change the fact of your idiocy in
> > > > > claiming the C130 is a strategic lift asset. You're a liar and a pathetic
> > > > > wannabe, KuKuNut. Nothing more, nothing less.
> > > >
> > > > Let's see now.
> > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=strategic+C-130
> > > >
> > > > Separating the wheat from the chaff, we get a mighty fine array of citations:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c-130.htm
> > > > http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/int_05.htm
> > > > http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/int_02.htm
> > > > http://www.sunnersberg.com/c1_c3_hercules.htm
> > > > http://www.rin.org.uk/env/personnel.html
> > > > http://british-forces.com/cig/aircraft/c-130.html
> > > > http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/dd77148e.html
> > > > http://www.gdls.com/releases/IAV_Specsheet.pdf
> > > > http://news.lmasc.com/article.htm?article_id=57
> > > > http://www.monmouth.army.mil/monmessg/newmonmsg/mar102000/10plane.htm
> > > > http://www.tea.army.mil/dpe/Aircraft.htm
> > > > http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/55-65/ch4.pdf
> > > > http://www.ado.army.mil/weapons/firesupt/lw155.htm
> > > > http://enterpriseconsultancy.cs.amedd.army.mil/asp/result.asp?I=36296091947
> > > > http://call.army.mil/products/trngqtr/tq1-00/chapc.htm
> > > > http://www.mcguire.af.mil/PA/news/21stfact.htm
> > > > http://books.nap.edu/books/0309063787/html/134.html#pagetop
> > > >
> > > > GAME
> > > > SET
> > > > MATCH
> > > >
> > >
> > > The only thing, and I do mean the only thing that you have proven is
> > > that anyone with access to a search engine can become a half-wit
> > > expert on any subject.
> > >
> >
> > So, you are claiming that the Commander of the 21st Air Force,
> > the Commander of the Air Force, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff
> > didn't know what the fuck they were doing when they designated
> > the C-130's in the 21st Air Force as Strategic Airlift.
> >
> > Bwwwwwwwwwwahahahahahaha.
>
> Yeah Aaron, that is *EXACTLY* what I am claiming, along with me being
> a decorated veteran of WWI, WWII, the Korean War, Vietnam, The Gulf
> War, and I am still only 18 years old and own a fortune 500 company.
>
> Aaron, you are truly a clown who has become disconnected from his
> rubber nose.
>
The facts (ALL from official sources, as cited above) say that
I'm right.
The C-130 *IS* used as a strategic lift platform.
> >
> > > Now dance boy, dance!!! OUTED! LOL!
> >
> > The only one dancing here is you.
>
> OUTED! LOL!
>
> --
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:15:28 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "WJP"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip some stuff>
> This is an perfect example of why Linux is such a challenge to users
> unfamiliar with the "lingo" of Linux. "xdpyinfo"? "Xshm extension"?
> "dri/drm"? "cvs repository"? "xine"? Gosh, I wonder how many hours it
> will take me to search through the "howto's" and "whereis's" and
> "linuxdoc.org" to just understand this one paragraph. Whew!!
>
> Definitly a challenge, to say the least!
>
> YMMV
>
> Regards,
> Bill Powell
> USAF/USA (Ret) Management Systems Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Yeah, unlike Windows, where things just stop working without even giving
a hint of what's wrong, or your nice new accellerated video card is not
recognized, leading you through a twisty maze of wizards, all alike, and
drivers with arcane names hidden 3 levels deep in a CD's directory
structure.
I grant that the Linux lingo is extremely intimidating to a rank newbie,
but at least it tells you (or your nearest friendly USENET denizen)
exactly what it is doing.
(Note to developers: clearer error messages are better. Hmmm, I might
just volunteer for a few of my favourite projects)
Mart
--
Gimme back my steel, gimme back my nerve
Gimme back my youth for the dead man's curve
For that icy feel when you start to swerve
John Hiatt - What Do We Do Now
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:16:57 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete
Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>> I booted windows on my home machine yesterday for the first time in
>> about 2 months. The reason for this was to view some recipes on a free
>> cd provided by the wonderful dolmio company. Some fuckwit there had
>> decided putting the recipes in plain text was a bad idea, and so they
>> were built into binary executable files. Having booted windows, it
>> proceeded to change the time stored in my CMOS clock, thus requiring me
>> to go into setup on reboot (HAD to get back to Linux) to sort the mess
>> out. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrr
>
> Windows _asks_ you before you change the time. Did you blindy accept it
> or did you bother to _read_ what it was about to do?
>
No it bloody well doesn't Pete (at least 9x doesn't). Trust me, I had
*exactly* the same experience when I was still dual-booting.
Mart
--
Gimme back my steel, gimme back my nerve
Gimme back my youth for the dead man's curve
For that icy feel when you start to swerve
John Hiatt - What Do We Do Now
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From: Aaron Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I think I've discovered Flatfish's true identity...
Date: 03 May 2001 10:08:38 -0700
Okay, I was a little bored last night, so I thought I'd do a little
investigative work to see if I could discover who flatfish really is.
At this point, I'm about 90% certain I know his real identity. Here's
the trail I followed...
Knowing that flatfish uses the following windows programs: cubase,
cakewalk, and sound forge, and he is either a sound technician or
engineer, I did a few google searches with these programs and linux
until I found the following zdnet talkback:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/talkback/talkback_203952.html+linux+cakewalk&hl=en
Wow, this looks promising! It's got all kinds of flatfish speak in
it. "Linux has a long way to go", "Linux doesn't have the apps I
need", "Linux doesn't have good SoundBlaster support".
Of course, this isn't enough to prove this is flatfish, I need
something more. Besides, who is John Russell from Davenport, Iowa
anyway. Is he a real person? Why yes he is!
I do a google search on 'John Russell Davenport Iowa' and I find an
interesting page:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:members.aol.com/viewcamp/day184.html+davenport+iowa+john+russell&hl=en
About 3/4 down the page you find
John Russell, Davenport, Iowa, Cherokee/Dakota, Computer/electronics
Technican
So John is a political activist protesting the imprisonment of Leonard
Peltier and he appears to be the same John Russell listed above as he
refers to himself as a Computer/electronics Technican
Next, I do a search for 'john russell Leonard Peltier cherokee' and I
find the following:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/dnsocomments/comments-gtlds/Archives/msg00077.html
Cool, now I've got a legit email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But
I need to verify further that this is really the same John Russell as
the original. So I go to the Deja archives and start looking for his
email address and I find mostly posts to alt.native. However, if I
search for posts by john russell, I also find the following email
address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So if I search for posts
by that author with references to cakewalk, I find the following two
posts in creative.products.sound_blaster.pci128:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=cakewalk+author%3AlongjohnNOSPAM%40NOSPAMqconline.com&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&scoring=relevance&btnG=Google+Search&meta=site%3Dgroups
Gee, references to Cubase, Cakewalk, Wavelab, and SoundForge posted in
a SB 128 newsgroup? The evidence, while circumstantial, is pretty
overwhelming at this point.
But the most interesting thing is that John Russell is a serious Linux
user and advocate. Just look at some of the posts on this page:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=linux&num=10&as_scoring=relevance&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=longjohnNOSPAM%40NOSPAMqconline.com&as_umsgid=&lr=&as_qdr=&as_drrb=between&as_mind=29&as_minm=3&as_miny=1995&as_maxd=3&as_maxm=5&as_maxy=2001
Now ordinarily, if John Russell really is flatfish, I wouldn't believe
a word he says, but the fact that he is using his real name at not
some goofy pseudonym in these posts leads me to believe him in this
case.
Now I know that my whole premise here is based on the similarities
between the ZDNet talkback and flatfish's posts, but I've seen enough
to convince me that they are one and the same. I don't have access to
the creative.* groups here at work, otherwise I would check the
headers of John Russell's posts to see if there are similarities
between the two. It wouldn't surprise me if he is using a different
machine to post to COLA, though. Perhaps someone else could check
thos out.
If this is flatfish, it confirms most of what I've thought about him:
that he really is a Linux user, and he's just trolling the group for
fun.
So 'fess up, flatfish. Is this you?
--
Aaron J. Ginn Phone: 480-814-4463
Motorola SemiCustom Solutions Pager: 877-586-2318
1300 N. Alma School Rd. Fax : 480-814-4058
Chandler, AZ 85224 M/D CH260 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:31:08 -0400
John Jensen wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> : John Jensen wrote:
>
> : > Even a year ago, when I called Compaq to ask about my server, they were
> : > very helpful, very knowledgable, and very comfortable helping me get Linux
> : > running. I was expecting a bit of a break in the conversation when I
> : > mentioned Linux, but they were happy to help (even though the server I had
> : > was not on the 'Supported' list). They gave me an updated RAID driver and
> : > I was off and running. I haven't had any platform problems since.
>
> : That's not pre-loaded.
>
> : Hope that helps.
>
> I think we *all* have that figure out.
>
Then why do you keep going off on tangents?
> : > If Compaq doesn't want to do the install themselves, it doesn't bother me.
> : > I can download the ISO myself.
>
> : Suppose you're ordering 500 for a business?
>
> If I was setting up 500 boxes, I think I might learn how to make my own
> setup cd, with the configuration I wanted pre-configured. That might beat
> going back and reconfiguring 500 boxes set up Compaq's way.
>
That's not the question.
> Hope that helps.
>
> John
> --
> 33° 47' 38N 117° 54' 51W
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:44:49 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > Once Windows began its mutation into a full blown
> > > OS, GEM, well, didn't. It was rapidly left behind.
> >
> > No such thing happened during GEM's lifespan.
>
> I would say that Windows mutation into a full
> blown OS began with Windows/386, which started
> to do the virtual-machine thing.
>
No, that was merely a graphical front-end to DOS.
> But I should clarify- I do not think GEM failed
> because of this. GEM was already failing because
> of the other issues I mentioned.
>
> I think that when Windows become OS like is
> when GEM could no longer recover from its
> mistakes. At that point, it was increasingly
> not just a weak product, but the wrong product.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:45:30 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > I don't understand, that's for sure. Sure seems like this Compaq
> > > testimony backs up what us MS-shills are saying: People aren't
> > > being "forced" to accept Windows; companies like Compaq
> > > are giving them what they want.
> >
> > Then how come, if I call up Compaq, and ask for a desktop machine
> > with Linux pre-installed, the REFUSE to sell it to me, and when
> > it comes to servers, fi I ask for Linux pre-installed, they will
> > NOT give me a rebate on the Mafia$oft licenses which I am not
> > going to use.
>
> Compaq seems to think that people like you- you know, anti-MS
> zealots- are not a big enough a big enough market to be worth servicing.
Self-fulfilling prophecy.
By the way, signing contract to EXCLUDE other vendors is illegal.
>
> It's my opinion that Compaq is probably right about that.
>
> But even if they are wrong, their testimony was that they
> believed consumers wanted Windows. No?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:45:27 GMT
Said Austin Ziegler in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 3 May 2001
>On Wed, 2 May 2001, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 1 May 2001 23:06:41
>>> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> [...]
>>>> A program which *requires* a library cannot be written until the library
>>>> has been sufficiently designed (whether this is coding or documentation
>>>> of the API is meaningless, which is the point you guys keep tripping
>>>> over) to *base* the program on the functionality provided by the
>>>> library. Thus, a program is derivative, in a legal copyright sense, of
>>>> the library, and no time travel is required to make it so.
>>> No, a program that *requires* a library cannot be written until the
>>> library's API are known, nothing more is required.
>> In theory. Not in practice. How many times do we have to go through
>> this: YOU ARE JUST BEING IDEALISTIC.
>
>In practice, not in theory. You've been told this several dozen times
>now, and it's obvious that you're a fuckup without a clue. We don't
>need any more demonstrations, Maxie.
And as has occurred in the past, repeating that 'I've been told several
times' is still just trying to squirm out of the fact that what I've
been told has simply missed the point, and you're looking more and more
like a trolling asshole by failing to grasp that. Not to mention the
grade-school attempts to annoy me by mangling my name. If I were in
sixth grade, I would be SO mad at you.
Guffaw.
>Copyright has nothing to do with functionality; [...]
That depends on what you mean by "functionality"; a program that does
not function is a random array of text, and copyright might cover it in
theory, but obviously you'll have some trouble licensing it to anybody.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
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Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:45:28 GMT
Said Austin Ziegler in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 3 May 2001
02:36:26 -0400;
>On Wed, 2 May 2001, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 1 May 2001 23:51:00
>>> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 30 Apr 2001
>>>>> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>>>> Said Stefaan A Eeckels in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 29 Apr 2001
>>>>>>> Well, one of my colleagues is writing an application to a Java
>>>>>>> .jar that's not yet implemented (I finished the spec, he started
>>>>>>> on his application after about the third draft, when we felt it
>>>>>>> was stable enough). I'll have the classes implemented when he'll
>>>>>>> start testing. Hint: writing a program != coding. There's a lot
>>>>>>> to do before the first line of code is written, or before the
>>>>>>> first test is run.
>>>>>> That's like saying "writing a book != authoring", and illustrates
>>>>>> clearly why everyone gets so confused by software copyright.
>>>>> Here is a perfectly legal API:
>>>> [...]
>>>> My consideration regards real APIs, not "legal" ones, or any other form
>>>> of thought experiment.
>>> That is a real API.
>>> It's just expressed in a language neutral language.
>> I'm afraid you've opened up a can of worms with "language", there. Do
>> you consider ASN a 'language'?
>
>For the moment, I'm going to have to assume that you've typoed there --
>and you meant ASL (American Sign Language). If that's not the case,
>then you'll have to explain what you meant by ASN.
Abstract Syntax Notation.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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