Linux-Advocacy Digest #532, Volume #34 Tue, 15 May 01 20:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Announcing COLA's first annual Troll Pagent! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What does Linux need for the desktop? (GreyCloud)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (GreyCloud)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (GreyCloud)
Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (GreyCloud)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
DivX player? (Richard Thrippleton)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What does Linux need for the desktop? ("pookoopookoo")
Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (GreyCloud)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud)
Re: LOMAC shocks Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
Re: LOMAC shocks Microsoft! (GreyCloud)
Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie (GreyCloud)
Re: Oracle 8.1.6 on Solaris or Linux? (GreyCloud)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:27:17 +0200
"Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > Again, Netcraft only counts host names, not servers. The same server
> > can
> >> > server 10's, 100's, even thousands of hosts.
> >>
> >> Each running its own software.
> >
> > No, it doesn't.
> > Get *some* clue before you post.
> >
>
> Yes, it does. If you want. And if it´s a IBM/390.
> Get *some* clue before you post.
No ISP will use a s/390 for this, dimwit.
*No one* will use it for this, for that matter. That is beyond stupid.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Announcing COLA's first annual Troll Pagent!
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:33:57 GMT
On Tue, 15 May 2001 23:23:03 +0100, Nigel Feltham
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>f
>> Yep!
>>
>> I had that crappy proprietary CD attached to a SoundBlaster card so I
>> had to make the diskettes.
>>
>
>That shouldn't have been a problem - my first copy of linux was Slackware
>2.something from the October 1994 issue of PCPlus magazine and this
>installed OK from my proprietry Panasonic 2x CD drive running off my 8 bit
>soundblaster plus card. I tried this CD again recently for nostalgia
Now you had to go and make me track down the copy I had :)
I found it buried on my shelf still in the CD Caddy.
It was V2.2 circa 1994
Here is part of the Readme:
****************************************************************************
This is Slackware Linux 2.2.0.
This version contains libc 4.6.27, Linux kernel 1.2.1 (plus source for
many
other versions in the source tree, including version 0.01 :^),
and XFree86 3.1.1.
Mail here _pours_ in at high volume, but feel free to report any
problems you
find. I can't promise a response but I *do* appreciate the help people
offer
me in fixing problems.
This is what you'll find in the subdirectories below (or in the case
of the
installation disks, in the ./slakware subdirectory):
./bootdsks.144, ./rootdsks.144, bootdsks.12, rootdsks.12:
Boot/install disks for 1.44M and 1.2M floppy drives.
You will
need at least one boot disk and one rootdisk to
install this
software. See the README files in these directories
for more
information.
./a1 - ./a4 snip ..............................
*****************************************************************
It does say further down that the SoundBlaster CD is supported and
seeing that I have the CD in a caddy, I think I might have been using
an Always IN2000 SCSI card at the time and that was the source of my
troubles. It's been so long I forget. Whatever, I made the diskettes
and was able to run it fine. Just took hours to install :)
flatfish
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does Linux need for the desktop?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:40:38 -0700
"Norman D. Megill" wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Terry Porter wrote:
> > > Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> Linux has built in version control.
> > > >
> > > > Does it have file versions? As in x.a;1, x.a;2, x.a;3 ?
> > > Yeah of course, CVS or RCS give files versions.
> > > Is that what you meant ?
> > >
> >
> > Pete is referring to any file... its from the VMS world... where if you
> > edit any file and save it and the re-edit the same file again you would
> > get filename.ext;1 and filename.ext;2 etc. There is also a way to limit
> > the versioning of file names. Then if your are happy with your project
> > or whatever you can then do a purge... this eliminates earlier versions
> > and leaves you with the latest version.
>
> Actually, this is one of the things I miss from VMS. In the non-VMS
> world applications often create .bak or similar but a single backup
> version won't help when you're on a roll then realize you accidentally
> deleted a chunk of code/text/whatever 3 versions ago. For personal-use
> code I often drop in a "fSafeOpen" function in place of "fopen" that
> appends ~1 (previous version), ~2 (next latest) etc. to existing files
> that are overwritten. (My preference is to stop at ~9 and an existing
> ~9 is deleted.) And I have "safe" versions of a few utililities like cp
> and mv. Of course the overhead is high, and it is not suitable for bulk
> copies and moves (just use the standard commands for those), but when
> you're working on a few files in a project the overhead is negligible
> and pays off in terms convenience, recovery, and peace of mind. It is
> of course extremely easy to clean up the mess with rm *~? when you're
> done. CVS/RCS is fine, but I think it makes more sense for relatively
> stable versions as opposed to every little code experiment.
>
> Maybe this is not for everyone but it works for me.
>
> --Norm
I had something similar happen during a VMS upgrade... you used to be
able to do a wholesale block rename to another block. Then DEC took
this out. I rewrote that feature back into O/S and incorporating the
new command into the lookup tables. Then submitted a benny-sug in the
gov. and its about the only way to make extra money in there too.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:42:37 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:9dmur9$de5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Are you trying to suggest that there are no linux servers that ever
> > > > > crash within the first 100 or 200 days? I hate to tell you this,
> but
> > > > > there are.
> > > >
> > > > So?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mean also means some crashed AFTER 120 days.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, now you get the point I was making? It is meaningless to quote a
> non
> > > > average statistic for this kind of thing. Ans 120 days mean is rotten
> by
> > > > any standards.
> > >
> > > Really, then what is the mean of Linux? Where are the statistics?
> Where
> > > are the studies?
> > >
> > > A random sampling of Linux web sites on Netcrafts server shows an
> average
> > > uptime of of much much less than 120 days.
> >
> > Why don't you BUZZ off you gadfly!
>
> Why don't you answer the question?
Don't need to answer questions to win-trolls... all you turkeys do is
get way off the subject... I'm primarily in here to say that Linux is
one good operating system.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:46:44 -0700
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Hell, Matthew, Jan doesn't even know what the terms s/390 mean, let
> > alone HP-UX.
>
> Jans so thick she probably doesn't even know what a VAX (not the Vacuum cleaner),
> Alpha, R12K or 900z is. Jan is just a simple office clerk who thinks that because
> she can use MS Word, that makes her some sort of genius, whilst the rest of the
>office
> just mocks her over the fact that she requires the clippy to help her right a letter.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
You mean Jan is a Sheila??
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:57:14 -0700
"~¿~" wrote:
>
> While the adults had left the house .....
>
> > > I wish you would stop telling me what I mean.
>
> > > Personally, I think any word processing app, even Star Office, is
> probably
> > > fine for most people and don't see the NEED to have Office, however I do
> > > prefer Office and would certainly WANT to have it.
> > >
> > > So please, stop trying to speak for me.
>
> > So you do agree? PRAISE THE LORD! finally, progress in the "Accepting
> > the fact that I'm a wintroll" course. (just joking).
>
> > btw, I have used Office since 4.3, and yes, in the early days, it was
> > probably the best, most intergrated suite avail. however, since
> > Wordperfect got it's act together, and Lotus Smart Suite cleaned up,
> > there are viable alternatives. I would like to see in the near future a
> > port of Lotus Smart Suite to Linux. Unlike Word, Lotus Wordpro uses
> > hardly any memory, loads quickly and is very stable.
>
> By WordPerfect I'm assuming you mean Corel.
> When did WordPerfect "get it is act together"
> Lotus SmartSuite died with version 4. There is no market for it.
> They were basically giving it away during version 3.1's life cycle.
> As for Wordpro, hardcore users preferred Ami-Pro.
> Even WordPerfect uses VBA at this point. What does that tell you?
> They can't give WP away ... same with Star. Why?
>
> Because the desktop market for Linux isn't on the freaking radar screen,
> that's why Hymie.
> It's (it is) not a lucrative market. Read 'no money to be made' at this
> point.
> If you think that IBM is going to port Lotus to Linux... well, hold on -- I
> take that back.
> Their marketing dept. is about as sharp as a ball bearing. It could happen.
> And guess what?
> The same thing will happen there as did in windows land. It will flounder
> and die.
>
> The desktop computer user is something the OS-Zealots will never understand
> because their jaundiced eye has them blinded. They use what they use and
> they're happy with what they use.
> Any market evolution will take place of its (not it is) accord, not because
> the LinZealots scream & shout about the evils of MS.
Trolling Trolling Trolling ... keep them trolls a going... rawhide!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:58:27 -0400
Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> >> >> >Gay-male sex leads to AIDS...especially when a condom breaks.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, it doesn't. Sex is how AIDS is transmitted, but sex alone
> >> >> does not lead to AIDS any more than masturbation leads to hairy
> >> >> palms.
> >> >
> >> >Let's see...if you're a man, and you have sex with a female infected
> >> >with AIDS, your chances of contracting AIDS is....
> >>
> >> If you're a man, and your have sex with another man who does not have
> >> AIDS, your chance of getting AIDS is?
> >
> >And you know that he's not infected with AIDS how, exactly?
>
> The same way we know that YOU are not infected with AIDS.
Since I don't engage in homosexual acts (that's what WOMEN are for), and
I don't do intravenous drugs, and I haven't had a blood transfusion since
1973 (if at all -- appendix operation)...
I'm absolutely CERTAIN that *I* don't have AIDS.
Now, you know that the owner of the penis in your anus is disease free how, exactly?
>
> --
> Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)
Subject: DivX player?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:37:51 +0000
Anybody aware of a working open source DivX player for Linux? By Linux I
mean Linux, not merely x86 Linux. (Yes I'm bitter about those twats who
can't write portable code, and some fool who thinks that using WINE for
avifile is a really good idea)
Richard
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:01:09 -0400
Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> >> >> > Where in my statements did I say I was afraid of homosexuals. I am not
> >> >> > afraid of them anymore than I am afraid of people with bipolar disorder
> >> >> > or any other genetic malfunction.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you have really firm evidence that homosexualtiy is genetic, I suggest
> >> >> you publish.
> >> >
> >> >Then you admit that it's a choice.
> >>
> >> Why are bigots so often stupidly illiterate as well?
> >
> >I have a right to judge other people by their CHOICES and BEHAVIOR.
>
> Ditto, bigot.
So, if I hold someone's felonious behavior against them, that makes
me a bigot, eh?
You prove Joseph Sobran's point. When ever fags don't like someone's
Non-Politically Correct opinion, they trot out the "bigot" label.
Too bad for you that most people have learned that "anti-gay bigot" should
be interpreted to mean "sane, healthy person that bigotted gays don't like"
>
> --
> Ray Fischer When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] into you -- Nietzsche
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "pookoopookoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does Linux need for the desktop?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:03:02 -0400
> Just what's wrong with pre-cambrian hardware ????
lol, its PRE CAMBRIAN F00! =)
Upgrade that grandma box of yours.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:02:29 -0700
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Under Linux? Lots. Embed a spereadsheet document into a word
> processing
> > > document, for instance.
> >
> > Just did it then. Give me another challenge.
>
> Really? You can in-place edit the spreadsheet from within the word
> processing document? I'd be quite surprised to see that on Linux.
Do you own Linux and StarOffice 5.2?? You don't??
Then why are you Trolling???
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:11:20 -0700
Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> Jon Johansan wrote:
>
> >
> > "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Jan Johanson wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> Jan Johanson wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> > > On 9 May 2001 00:43:02 -0500, Jan Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >Your car has unique ID numbers etched into 100 locations, all
> >> > recorded in
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > > >corporate database and shared with the police and other dealers -
> >> >> > > >you
> >> >> > don't
> >> >> > > >have a choice. That doesn't bother you? Seen any black
> >> >> > > >helicopters
> >> >> > lately?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > But I own my vehicle outright. It's all mine and it won't refuse
> > to
> >> > run
> >> >> > if
> >> >> > > I make improvements to it.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So don't buy licensed software who's terms you don't agree with.
> >> >> > Simple.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't.
> >> >
> >> > Good for you! There, not much of a monopoly MS has got there now is it?
> >> >
> >>
> >> A friend of mine recently wanted to buy a new computer in a store. She
> >> did not need the Windows 98 operating system or the applications that
> >> came
> > with
> >> it, so she asked if she could buy a computer without operating system or
> >> any applications installed (after all, she already had a decent operating
> >> system linux - and all the software she was ever going to need - SuSE).
> >>
> >> The sales droid told her that this was impossible, as all computers came
> >> with Windows software preinstalled.
> >>
> >> So she asked if she could get a refund if she did not buy the software;
> >> after all, all the programs that were installed on the computer were also
> >> for sale as separate items in the store.
> >>
> >> This, the shopinator told her, was also impossible, but when asked why,
> > the
> >> drone went into maintenance mode.
> >>
> >> Indeed, this MS monopoly is nothing but a giant fata morgana. It does not
> >> exist. People make it up as they go.
> >>
> >
> > I can walk into a computer store and buy all the parts needed to build a
> > computer. It will have whatever OS I choose to put on it.
> >
> > They should bitch to that particular OEM about the deal it signed with MS
> > and why it chose to. I think I know the answer but the fault doesn't lay
> > with MS. MS offers OEMs a choice. Sign a deal that says you'll only use
> > our software preloaded and we'll sell you copies of our software cheaper.
> > You don't have to sign but you'll pay regular pricing for the software. We
> > won't stop you selling computers but obviously you'll be at a price
> > disadvantage.
> >
> > Try walking into a car dealership and order a car without a motor. You
> > intend to drop custom motor of your own design into it. What? They won't?
> > Why not? You don't need it, don't want it.... they are forcing you to do
> > it!! bastards! Try to buy a new 42" TV without a remote. You've got a
> > universal remote, you don't need a remote. It's free? No, you say, the
> > price is included so it's not. Hmmm... ok, those bastard monopolizers are
> > at it
> > again. Can't buy a CD with the jewel case? The list of examples goes on
> > and on.
> >
> > No one forces the OEMs to buy MS - there are obvious advantages and
> > disadvantages to the choice which the market place caused to occur but
> > these are not the "fault" of MS. Do you blame someone for being
> > successful? Now, as we've said, you can buy a computer without Windows
> > installed - what you meant to say was that your friend went to a store
> > where only computers with Windows preinstalled were sold. That's like
> > complaining that you went to a ford dealership and were pissed because
> > they refused to sell you a brand new chevy!
> >
>
> My friend did not want to build a computer, she wanted to buy one that was
> already made. Since all the software that came bundled with the computer
> was also available separately on the shelves of the shop, I do not see (and
> neither did she) why it was impossible to deliver the PC without the
> software at a discount. To me (and to her) this is a sure sign of unethical
> bundling practices going on.
>
> Since it was obvious that she would have bought the machine without the
> bundled software, it would have been in the store's interest to offer her
> the deal. The mere fact that they did not, or could not, indicates that
> there is something else going on.
>
> As to finding stores that sell computers without MS software preinstalled
> (and which she would be forced to buy, regardless whether she wanted it or
> not), uch stores, to her and my knowledge, do not exist in Belgium. She
> finally came across a German mail order comany that was more than happy to
> sell her a non MS-infested computer, with linux compatible parts. And guess
> what, it was a lot cheaper than the MS-preloads in Belgium.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Karel Jansens
> ===============================================================
> "You're the weakest link. Goodb - No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!"
> ===============================================================
Yes, it is quite true that one can shop around and find a complete
computer without any O/S on it. Found one vendor at linux.org. They
were selling a computer with a two-processor board at $1400. For a
small amount , say $30.00, you can purchase Linux and install it. Even
HP is now selling linux ready machines without MS infestations.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LOMAC shocks Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:15:12 -0700
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> > This is why Linux is kicking Microsoft's ass.
>
> In the server market, maybe.
>
> In the desktop market, Linux is hardly to be seen.
>
> --
> ---
> Pete Goodwin
> All your no fly zone are belong to us
> My opinions are my own
Maybe its because the UK hasn't caught on to it yet.
But it will.
Linux GOOD!
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LOMAC shocks Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:19:23 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On 14 May 2001 23:38:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
> wrote:
>
> >Firstly the desktop market is at the mercy of a certain
> >criminal company, who, using preditory trade practices
> >have forced manufacturers to sell pc's with *their*
> >lame desktop. Search for 'Sherman Antitrust Law' if you
> >don't know what that means.
>
> Maybe, but the world still uses Windows, for better or worse. Linux is
> right there out in the open for free, yet pitiful few are converting
> their desktops. And worse yet corporations who stand to save millions
> in licensing fees are ignoring Linux. If StarOffice/Gimp and the other
> typical Linux programs are really equivalent drop ins for the Windows
> counterparts why are they virtually ignored?
> For that matter, why is StarOffice ignored even on the Windows
> platform?
Why? I don't think the above is an accurate statement for the desktop
market.
In the outlying areas, the plain fact is, no one sells a pc with linux
on it or are even aware of linux in the first place. When I mention
this to stores, you get a blank stare of confusion. The stores really
don't have a clue.
In the corporate market... those decisions are made by pointy-haired
execs that don't have a clue either. If they did, it would be a totally
different situation.... which is about to change when they get the bill
when they upgrade to XP in the future. When their bottom line starts to
shrink they will start counting beans.
>
> Seems to me if I had 10k licensees to purchase for my company, I could
> save a fortune using StarOffice, but yet virtually nobody is?
> Why is that?
>
> >Secondly, I have had a Linux only desktop since 1997.
>
> What works for you may or may not work for others.
> >Thirdly, Windows lovers see the world covered in Windows
> >desktops, they suffer from a certain personal bias, and
> >their observations are therefore suspect.
>
> We see productivity and compatibility with the rest of the world. if
> Linux could offer such for free the world would easily move. But it
> doesn't so we pay our $89.95 USD.
>
> Flatfish
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:25:34 -0700
Ketil Z Malde wrote:
>
> rockie@post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > and what if FSF take cygnus to court and FSF loses? What will then
> > happend to GPL?
>
> Good question!
>
> > May be that is why FSF and RMS will not raise it?
>
> That is a possibility I'll consider if and when somebody provides any
> indication that, counter to public statements, FSF and RMS display
> reluctance to pursue it.
>
> -kzm
> --
> If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
I don't think the FSF will want to bother... first they need to have a
lot of money to get involved in this. I think that Cygnus may have
consulted with legal beagles.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oracle 8.1.6 on Solaris or Linux?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:29:26 -0700
"." wrote:
>
> pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
> >>
> >> I have. NVIDIA drivers w/ gforce2 and kernel 2.4-20 with certian 3-D games.
> >>
> >> Kernel panic, unrecoverable, hard lock.
>
> > And so you use binary proprietary drivers - and this proves what about
> > the quality of 2.4 exactly ?
>
> I'm not saying that the 2.4 kernel sucks, you bitchass nutslap. I'm saying
> that I can get it to lock consistently. I can also get the FreeBSD kernel
> to lock, the BeOS kernel, windows NT 4.0, 2000, 98, ME, XP, and also Solaris
> 7 and 8, HP/UX and SCO. A lockable kernel doesnt mean its a piece of shit, it
> only means that I could get it to do something that you insinuated might not
> be possible. :)
>
How do you go about locking up say Solaris then??
> >>
> >> > 2.4 also has better SMP
> >> > support then current BSD boxes. If you need more then 2cpus linux is a
> >> > better bet on x86 hardware.
> >>
> >> This will only be true for about 6 more months. Version 5.0 of FreeBSD has
> >> SMP re-built from the ground up, and already seems to be far superior.
>
> > We shall see. Where are the benchmarks ?
>
> In the ports collection. Download 5.0 and see for yourself.
>
> -----.
>
> --
> "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
>
> ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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