Linux-Advocacy Digest #783, Volume #34 Sat, 26 May 01 03:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Aaron paints himself into a corner. Re: aaron kulkis steals his ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Jet proves once again that she still loathes men. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Jet proves once again that she still loathes men. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Aaron paints himself into a corner. Re: aaron kulkis steals his
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 02:51:10 -0400
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > enialle wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 25 May 2001 15:39:16 -0700, "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >He loves to rag on me for being "old". So, I ask him what he will do
> when
> > > >his mail order bride turns 40. He never replies, he's painted himself
> into a
> > > >corner.
> > >
> > > exactly. that means he must think brenduh is a loser what with
> > > children and over 40.
> >
> > Not a loser...just not qualified for a man of my age and wealth.
>
> LOL! Give me a second, I have to wipe off my computer screen.
>
> So, what you gonna do when your GCW turns 40?
40-year old women are QUITE acceptable if you are celebrating your
20th anniverssary together.
Hope that helps, losette.
>
> J
>
> Gee still no answer...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Jet proves once again that she still loathes men.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 02:53:01 -0400
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > jet wrote:
> > >
> > > He loves to rag on me for being "old". So, I ask him what he will do
> when
> > > his mail order bride turns 40. He never replies, he's painted himself
> into a
> > > corner.
> >
> > Taking a forty year old woman to dinner to get to know her is...pointless.
> >
>
> I know those who would disagree with you...
^^^^^
Desperate 45-year old hags like yourself.
>
> > Taking a forty year old woman to dinner for your 20th anniversary
> > is a reward.
>
> Dang, took you long enough to come up with that lame reply.
>
> So, you admit being 40 is no big deal
>
> > > He can't say he'll trade her in for a newer model, because then he'll
> look
> > > like even more of an asshole than he already does. He can't say he hopes
> she
> > > dies before then, for the reason stated above. He can't say it will be
> no
> > > big deal, because then he'll have to admit my age is no big deal.
> >
> > You really are fucking stupid, aren't you.
>
> Um, you said I proved that I loath men...um what did I say that indicates I
> loath men? (I'll have to ask that about 900 times before you come up with a
> lame reply.)
>
> I loath *you*.
>
> J
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Jet proves once again that she still loathes men.
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 02:54:13 -0400
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > jet wrote:
> > >
> > > He loves to rag on me for being "old". So, I ask him what he will do
> when
> > > his mail order bride turns 40. He never replies, he's painted himself
> into a
> > > corner.
> >
> > Taking a forty year old woman to dinner to get to know her is...pointless.
> >
>
> I know those who would disagree with you...
>
> > Taking a forty year old woman to dinner for your 20th anniversary
> > is a reward.
>
> Dang, took you long enough to come up with that lame reply.
>
> So, you admit being 40 is no big deal
it is if you're STARTING a relationship....after the woman has
given her best years to some other guy.
...but no big deal if she gave her best years to you.
Hope that helps, man-loathing beast.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:54:16 GMT
Said Michael Marion in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 25 May 2001
>Chad Myers wrote:
>
>> What I meant about hosing my system is, it seemed like half of the
>> patches either didn't run or had errors or files were claimed by
>> other patches.
>
>I don't know what you're doing, but I've never had issues like that with
>patches. The only gripe I have about them is one thing you already mentioned:
>they don't know how to auto-install dependencies.
Don't forget; you're thinking about Linux, but Chad's talking about
Solaris. He's got a commercial company to complain to if anything isn't
precisely as he might desire. So fuck him, and any ideal he might have
about how many patches it takes to get either netscape of mozilla to
run.
>The only time I've _ever_ had a problem with a patch was when I removed one
>without paying attention and accidentally uninstalled some important files..
>like libc.so.1. :( However, a simple boot off the network, mount of our
>jumpstart tree, and quick pkgadd of the 2 needed packages had me back up in
>less then 5 minutes.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:54:17 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 25 May 2001 17:29:29
>"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> > What I meant about hosing my system is, it seemed like half of the
>> > patches either didn't run or had errors or files were claimed by
>> > other patches.
>>
>> I don't know what you're doing, but I've never had issues like that with
>> patches. The only gripe I have about them is one thing you already mentioned:
>> they don't know how to auto-install dependencies.
>>
>> The only time I've _ever_ had a problem with a patch was when I removed one
>> without paying attention and accidentally uninstalled some important files..
>> like libc.so.1. :( However, a simple boot off the network, mount of our
>> jumpstart tree, and quick pkgadd of the 2 needed packages had me back up in
>> less then 5 minutes.
>
>I haven't had any problems manifest yet, I just got tons of errors during
>the installation of the patches (what a pain in the ass that was -- having
>to hit Y about 50,000 times). I haven't rebooted yet, so who know what'll
>happen when I do.
Well, hell, Chad, you should have read the god-damned man page. You
know they explain how to avoid having to hit 'y' over and over. They
put these things in so you can get beyond the newbie stage. Chances
are, it was *your* fault, for typing in the instructions by rote,
without ever even imagining that they were meant to be *understood*, not
simply repeated. When you get to be an experienced user, you shouldn't
include the 'prompt' argument. It just means you don't know what the
hell you are talking about, let along knowing what the hell you are
doing.
If you knew what you were talking about, you would describe the
functional issues. You have indicated you have problems with features,
such as turning off repetitive prompts. Something which is generally
impossible with Microsoft Windows monopoly crapware, but almost always
possible with real software tools, such as Linux offers.
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:54:19 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 25 May 2001 17:28:08
>"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> > You guys must be doing something magical. I've installed this box
>> > twice now and both times Netscape has deteriorated to the point where
>> > it won't work. Usually after 12-14 uses.
>>
>> Nothing magical... I've had this install of 4.75 in my homedir since
>> 8/18/2000.
>> I use it constantly for working on our web-based trouble ticket system,
>> reading usenet, browsing the net, etc.. I use the shockwave flash plugin in it
>> a lot too.. as well as realplayer and it's been fine. Absolutely no
>> deterioration here.
>>
>> > No, I'm talking about Solaris! I had to install over 50 patches
>> > which is what I meant by "practically reinstalling the OS".
>>
>> If you'd bother to keep up with patches you wouldn't have had to do that.
>
>I just installed it 2 weeks ago or so! Give me a break! =)
No, sorry. You get no breaks. Deal with it, troll.
>> Of course, now you'll talk about how one shouldn't have to keep up with
>> patches, yet you'll argue that someone's an idiot for not keeping up with MS'
>> huge SPs and their hotfixes...
>
>Spare me, asshole.
Ooh; we've hit a nerve, have we?
>This isn't a production box (it can't be because nothing seems to run on
>it!) so it's not a security hole.
Gibberish. 'Nuf said.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:54:20 GMT
Said Michael Marion in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 25 May 2001
>Chad Myers wrote:
>
>> Nope, but you can download SSH. Not many people use it for this, so
>> Linux can be the king of the not-so-used features, I guess.
>
>not-so-used?!? SSH is used by huge numbers of people everyday!
>
>> Does Linux have a half-way decent SMP implementation yet? Nope. Oh well,
>> come back in 5 years when it does.
>
>Linux has had better SMP support then windows for awhile now. The only thing
>windows SMP can do that linux can't yet is tie specific drivers to specific
>CPUs (like tie control of a specific NIC to a CPU like they tend to do in
>testing).
Something that is obviously counter-productive to the whole idea of SMP,
don't you think?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:54:21 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 25 May 2001 16:23:40
>"Michael Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Chad Myers wrote:
[...]
>> Linux has had better SMP support then windows for awhile now.
>
>ROFL... no... wait.. ROFLMAO
Denying reality again, Chad?
>[snip: rest is irrelevant after that statement]
Indeed; since you can't even refute that statement, we should consider
you mistaken in all other points, as well.
{Note to anyone who might be close to keeping up with my rants; consider
how much greater impact there is in my use of the term 'mistaken', in
contrast to anyone elses' use of "wrong"....)
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:54:22 GMT
Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 25 May 2001
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >I would include Windows, definitely. No argument there.
>> >
>> >But I would include also MS's other development tools,
>> >without which Windows would be academic.
>>
>> There is no 'inclusion'. The smallest set of products which meet your
>> criteria is singular: Windows. If you don't understand why, ask Bill
>> Gates. He'll be happy to explain his theory of 'singularity'. You need
>> one product to monopolize; everything else, regardless of what it is, is
>> a simple matter of tying to the monopoly.
>
>I don't agree. Windows *can't* succeed without
>application software, and that software *can't* be
>written without a development toolchain.
It did. When Win3 became "popular", the only software available was
Word for Windows 1.0 and DOS applications. The forcing of developers to
support Windows, well documented in several legal inquiries, was
after-the-fact.
>Microsoft *must* provide enough of the
>elements to have a viable platform; Windows
>by itself is not enough.
So?
>> None of MS's products could
>> stand on its own in a competitive market.
>
>We will probably never agree on this point.
That's because you're a moron. No other reason makes sense.
>> Windows is a monopoly;
>> development tools are not. Ergo, Windows is the core market, core
>> product, core of the business, whatever gibberish you want to use as a
>> euphemism for 'monopoly', and nothing else is.
>
>You sure about that? Have you compared
>the marketshare of VB against (say) Delphi?
I have not, because it is irrelevant. The marketshare of Windows versus
other platforms that Delphi or VB support is sufficient to prove illegal
monopolization.
>I think MS has quite a large share in
>Windows development tools.
Go figure.
>But that's not really my point. It's not
>just that Windows needed MS to provide
>the tools to take off; MS has to provide
>a toolchain so taht they can promulgate
>their new technologies through it.
"Take off." "Tool chain." What the fuck is this gibberish supposed to
mean?
>They can't stay competitive if they
>can't do that.
They can't be competitive as long as they monopolize. Get it?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:54:23 GMT
Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 25 May 2001
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 23 May 2001
>[snip- something I said that was kind of lame]
>> >> Daniel. It ain't a whole lot better now; MFC is still an industry
>joke,
>> >> but its an industry standard joke, by now. And BOY does it *SUCK*!
>> >
>> >MFC is not part of Windows, you know. You might
>> >try a different framework if you don't like it.
>>
>> []
>>
>> I honestly wish I could have responded to your statements, Daniel, but
>> they were just too stupid and too incredibly lame; I am at a loss for
>> words.
>
>Oh dear. You don't undersand how the toolchain
>works, huh?
I know for a fact that it doesn't matter. Get it?
>MFC is quite a limited thing.
No shit. Really?
>It's a bunch
>of C++ classes that are frankly kind of
>obsolete. MS can't abandon them completely
>because that would piss off developers.
Or, rather, more honestly, would screw developers over even more than
they are already.
>But it's purely a Visual C++ thing. And
>it's not the only C++ framework MS
>offers; there's also a simpler, cleaner one
>that is linked to ATL.
Yada, yada, yada...
>And of course VB does not use MFC at
>all; only C++ programs can do so.
What proof are you providing that VB is not a C++ program?
>J++, while it lasted, had its own framework too- WFC. That one
>was nice.And C# isn't going to use it either; it's going to have a new framework
>based on WFC, or so I hear.
Blah, blah, blah...
>All this is possible because the real
>stable layer that goes between apps
>and the OS isn't any of these- it is the
>Win32 API, a rather simpler low level
>construct. MFC, WFC, all those TLAs
>are language-specific frameworks that
>are implemented in terms of it.
Wow. So Win32 is actually the thing that MS monopolizes? Are you sure?
>They make life easier, but they aren't
>fundamental, and there are lots of them
>to chose from- even from Microsoft.
And GTK and QT, from what I've heard. Yet Win32 accounts for 95%+ of
the market. How precisely is it that this isn't monopolization?
>If you go to other sources, there are
>*many* more frameworks you can use.
Your attempt to claim that MS development tools (all exclusively capable
of supporting Windows, not merely Win32) are the 'core product' is
laughable, Daniel. You've just proven, quite well, that MS development
tools are nothing but exploitation of the actual monopoly, which is
variously "the OS", "Windows", or the "API/Toolkit/GUI" Win32, depending
on how the dishonest and criminal monopolists try to explain their
illegal behavior.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:54:24 GMT
Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 25 May 2001
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 23 May 2001
>[snip]
>> >I still wonder what "dishonest" means to you; you've made it
>> >clear that it does not mean that you think I'm lying.
>>
>> I can't believe you could be so dishonest as to claim to not know what
>> "dishonest" means. So now, officially, you are lying, Daniel. You know
>> what dishonest means to me, because it means the same to everybody.
>
>I know what it means; but you know as well as I do
>that I'm not being dishonest in *that* sense.
No, there is only one "sense". You are not lying. That is the only
sense involved. You are still being dishonest. It is possible you are
only being dishonest with yourself (ironically indicating that you are
being "dishonestly honest" with others.)
>You must have your own meaning for the word.
I have a meaning I consider "accurate". It is, however, also
"consistent" with the meaning that everyone else has, though not
necessarily the one they will recognize or admit to. Finally, it is the
most practical meaning, because everyone who is not dishonest, in his
soul, knows what I mean, and agrees, when I say that you are dishonest.
Get it?
>It is this that I don't know.
You don't know the meaning of the word "dishonest". 'Nuf said.
>> Get this: that doesn't mean that everyone agrees on whether a specific
>> act, lying or otherwise is dishonest.
>
>I don't see what this has to do with
>anything. But that's probably just because
>I don't know what your private definition
>of "dishonest" is.
No, it is because you *are* dishonest. Get it?
>> Now, if the world were a just place, you would read that last sentence,
>> and then your head would explode, and you'd stop annoying people on
>> Usenet with your immature babbling.
>
>--> BANG! <--
>
>But don't worry. My head isn't all
>that important to me, anyway. :D
Need I bother to continue reading, to know that you missed the point,
and are still ignorant?
>[snip]
>> >I find it hard to reconcile your claims with
>> >reality if that isn't what it means.
>>
>> You're lying, it seems. But you may be mistaken. This does not prevent
>> the response from being dishonest.
>>
>> Think harder.
>
>Using conventional definitions, being
>mistaken about a thing tends to preclude
>being dishonest about that thing, most of
>the time.
Yes, but being dishonest about that thing does not preclude being honest
about some things. Get it?
>Of course I could *believe* (say) that
>MS had inferior products, but be
>wrong, yet still claim that they did
>not have inferior products- inadvertantly
>being right.
You could claim to what you know as false; that makes you *correct*, if
it coincidentally is *true*. It does not ever make you *right*. Get
it?
>A pretty twisted case, that. I suspect
>there'd be some controversy over
>whether that counts as "dishonest".
If so, the definition you're using of 'dishonest' is flawed. Get it?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 06:54:25 GMT
Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 25 May 2001
>"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Daniel Johnson wrote:
>> > Ah, I see where you've got lost. You think
>> > a file manager is a GUI!
>>
>> Im not lost. The Apple II desktop is much more than "just" a file
>> manager. It is true that * bit programs would not access the desktop.
>
>Neither could 16 bit programs, if by "desktop" you
>mean that software.
You are incorrect, Daniel. The desktop being described was capable of
much more than simple file management. Whether it included a toolkit, a
la modern GUIs, is beside the point. Rick didn't mean "GUI toolkit"
when he said "desktop". That is just your inmaginary idea, maintained
because you are a dishonest person; a troll.
Get it?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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