Linux-Advocacy Digest #934, Volume #34 Sun, 3 Jun 01 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Argh - Ballmer (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux is shit (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux is shit (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Windows XP Gets Fingered (.)
Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS!!!!!!!! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: aaron kulkis steals his brother ian turdboy's crack pipe ("You've got MALE.. sex
organs!")
Re: RIP the Linux desktop (.)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
("Patrick Ford")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (.)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (.)
Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning. ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: UI Importance ("Ayende Rahien")
MS - AOL breakdown... (Charlie Ebert)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:58:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Mike wrote:
>>
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:mTZR6.38033$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin-micro01.html:
>> >
>> > Q: Do you view Linux and the open-source movement as a threat to
>> Microsoft?
>> >
>> > A: Yeah. It's good competition. It will force us to be innovative. It will
>> > force us to justify the prices and value that we deliver. And that's only
>> > healthy. The only thing we have a problem with is when the government
>> funds
>> > open-source work. Government funding should be for work that is available
>> > to everybody. Open source is not available to commercial companies. The
>> way
>> > the license is written, if you use any open-source software, you have to
>> > make the rest of your software open source. If the government wants to put
>> > something in the public domain, it should. Linux is not in the public
>> > domain. Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property
>> > sense to everything it touches. That's the way that the license works.
>> >
>> > (end quote)
>> >
>> > You couldn't say anything more ridiculous if you tried.
>> >
>> > The Govt. sends millions (at least) to MS every year for shrinkwrapped
>> > software, funding the development of code that is proprietary MS
>> > property. But that doesn't seem to bother Ballmer quite so much.
>>
>> I'm kind of confused here, but clearly not as much as you. Rational people
>> can draw a distinction between purchasing a product and funding research. On
>> the other hand, this is cola...
>>
>> I think Ballmer has a point. It seems evident to me that if government funds
>> are used to support software research, the results of that research should
>> be, in most cases, public domain. Ballmer's contention is that the GNU
>> license restricts the use of software, so GNU software isn't really public
>> domain.
>>
>> So, the question is, why shouldn't government funded software development be
>> public domain?
>
>Why should it be "hijackable" ????
>
This is exactly the same question I've been asking for the
last two days!
WHY SHOULD IT BE HIJACKABLE?
I mean if we asked MS for the source code to use in one of our
projects for say MS OFFICE they would tell us to fuck off.
Now THEY want us to remove OUR license so they can use OUR CODE
in their PROJECTS and I'm saying FUCK OFF MICROSOFT!
>
>>
>> -- Mike --
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux is shit
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:02:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare wrote:
>It really is. I'm sticking to windows. You can't even install a
>printer for christs sake.
That's fine man. Stick to it as long as you can or like.
--
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux is shit
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:03:03 GMT
In article <9fc3g7$m68$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> It really is. I'm sticking to windows. You can't even install a
>> printer for christs sake.
>
>Don't take it as an insult, but if you think so lowly of Linux, please
>refrain from posting here again.
>
Oh kiss my butt Ayende.
If anybody thinks as lowly of the GPL'D code, it would be you.
--
Charlie
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:03:26 GMT
"Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:OasS6.105478$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[snip]
> > You know how Java^H^H^H^HECMAScript
> > can "see" things in a web-page and manipulate
> > them?
> >
> > It's like that. By having this be a feature of
> > the OS, any application can do likewise.
>
> I've been trying to discover how this is different from Bonobo/CORBA
> technology, but the only difference I can find is that Bonobo/CORBA gives
> you everything Microsoft's WSH gives you, without the limitation of
> requiring all components to be local to the client machine.
CORBA covers about the same ground COM does;
Bonobo does not seem to contain anything like OLE
Automation, but I believe there are CORBA services
that cover most of that ground, too.
WSH is something else entirely.
> With
> Bonobo/CORBA on Linux, programs and scripts can utilize components of
> programs that reside on other machines. Using your Excel example, this
> means that a user would not have to have Excel on his own machine to
> manipulate the spreadsheet his partner emailed him -- he could use his
> partner's Excel program without leaving his desk.
DCOM also knows how to talk across networks, you
know. Though by default this is not usually done
for scripts.
> I admit I didn't dig very deeply, but I didn't see any mention of such a
> capability with WSH. Please correct me if I missed it.
There is none in WSH; what WSH does is to load
and host scripting engines so that an application
can use them. Thus your applications can use
Microsoft's JScript and VBScript implementations
(they come with Windows), and any other scripting
engines written to the API.
WSH also lets you confine the script to a particular
collection of objects. I think that may have a counterpart
in CORBA, as a security measure.
Also it provides some debugging services for scripts.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Windows XP Gets Fingered
Date: 3 Jun 2001 15:03:58 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." wrote:
>>=20
>> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Burkhard W=F6lfel wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> >> > Although this piece was written in jest, there is an element of
>> >> > truth here...
>> >> >
>> >> > the classic Marxist "Create a problem then offer a solution which
>> >> > advances our power-hungry goals" methodology.
>> >>
>> >> You mean, the marxists create problems and offer a solution afterwar=
ds?
>> >>
>> >> If so, exemplify, please.
>>=20
>> > Build up Hitler, so that he can run roughshod over Europe.
>> > Then send the Red Army in to "rescue" everyone from Hitler.
>>=20
>> > Or the current electricity crisis in California.
>>=20
>> > Use price controls and obstruction of power-plant construction to
>> > create a shortage of electricity...and now they same people who are
>> > responsible for seting up these policies...are now using the resultin=
g
>> > crisis as an excuse to confiscate the electric power plants.
>>=20
>> > It's the Hegalian dialectic, which can be summarized thus:
>>=20
>> > If you make something fucked-up in one hand...and have shit in the
>> > other....you can combine them together and give EVERYBODY your
>> > fucked-up shit.
>>=20
>> You assume that humans at large are intelligent.
> Wrong. I assume that those who are "in charge" have enough intelligence
> to get themselves put "in charge".
Then I guarantee once and for all that you have NEVER served in the armed=20
forces of the united states of america.
If you had, you would understant completely that the signature of the Alph=
a
Male is *not* intelligence, but virility, strength, and charisma.
Period.
=====.
--=20
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:05:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare wrote:
>On Sat, 02 Jun 2001 22:32:26 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Philip Neves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>kosh wrote:
>
>>> Try this
>>> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=464242
>>>
>>> In general if you have prnting problems go to linuxprinting.org
>>>
>>> That printer is listed as working perfectly so just follow the
>>> instructions on that page.
>>>
>>
>>If that worked I wouldn't be complaining!
>
>Or maybe you're just a troll trying to get attention.
Would you look thru the corporate intra-net site at Micorsoft and
see if you find him listed there under Aliases for COLA?
Thanks`
--
Charlie
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From: "You've got MALE.. sex organs!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: aaron kulkis steals his brother ian turdboy's crack pipe
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 09:13:06 -0600
So, now you're an Evil Lefty?
Sorry, they won't have your sorry ass.
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> "You've got MALE.. sex organs!" wrote:
> >
> > Jesus, Aaron, you're going to deny you are right wing fuckhead?
>
> How can I be "right wing" when I OPPOSE right-wing ways, methods, and philosophies?
>
> Since YOU are making the accusation that I am "right wing", then
> first, you must PROVE that I agree with their ways, methods, and philosophies.
>
> Until then, you're a slandering asshole
>
> >
> > What will all your right wing fuckhead buddies think?
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > drsquare wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 31 May 2001 20:16:56 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > > ("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"Vallely's Dirt in Boss King's Ditch.." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Also, there's the fact that you ARE a proven right wing fuckhead..
> > > >
> > > > >Bzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > >I opposed fascism and nazism just as much as i oppose communism
> > > >
> > > > Irrelevent. It's still pretty clear that you're a right wing nut.
> > >
> > > How can I be "right wing" when I OPPOSE right-wing ways, methods, and
>philosophies?
> > >
> > > Do you even KNOW what the fuck "right wing" is?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > > ICQ # 3056642
> > >
> > > L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> > > can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > K: Truth in advertising:
> > > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> > > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> > > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> > >
> > > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> > >
> > > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> > >
> > > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > > you are lazy, stupid people"
> > >
> > > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> > >
> > > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> > >
> > > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > > her behavior improves.
> > >
> > > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > > ...despite (C) above.
> > >
> > > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> > >
> > > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > > direction that she doesn't like.
> > >
> > > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: RIP the Linux desktop
Date: 3 Jun 2001 15:09:39 GMT
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2001 22:03:34 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>drsquare wrote:
>>> And if there's no conviction, how do you know it's a crime?
>>
>>Did you not read the definition. Does take a genius to figure out if a
>>building burns down becasue of arson, that a crime has been committed.
>>The arson was the crime, wether the arsonist was found or not.
>>
>>If you run a red light, it is a crime wether you are caught or not.
>>
>>If you walk up an blow someone's brain out, it is murder.
>>
>>By defintion. Read it.
> Sorry, but where I come from, you're innocent until proven guilty.
Really? You come from Holland?
> If someone's been accused of doing something, They're not considered a
> criminal until proven guilty. I don't know what repressive
> authoritarian state you come from, but I'm glad I don't live there.
You arent very good at thinking.
Heres the issue:
If a crime is committed and no one is caught, it doesnt make the act any
less criminal. Its simply unknown *who the criminal is*.
Lets take you for example. If I were to walk up to you and stick a knife
in your throat, a crime has definitely been committed.
But if the police have the darndest time finding me because of the incredible
abundance of people in the case who had motivation, it doesnt make the act
of sticking a knife in your throat any less criminal.
Even if they *never* catch me, a crime has still been committed. Its simply
unsolved.
Even though there are no provable guilty parties (lets assume that the
judicial system of the united states actually works for a moment)---thereby
maintaining the "innocent until proven guilty" motif that you are so fond of
noting, EVEN IF NO ONE EVER GETS CAUGHT---it still doesnt make the act of
sticking a knife in your throat any less criminal.
A crime has been committed, whether anyone answers for it or not.
Now go back to windows and get the hell out of this newsgroup, you ignorant
nutsmack.
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: "Patrick Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the
dust!
Date: 4 Jun 2001 03:11:54 +1200
drsquare wrote:
> On 3 Jun 2001 13:44:04 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Patrick Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
>
> >> >> What do you mean "WTF"? How can you not know what that means?
> >> >
> >> >He's a seppo, perhaps?
> >>
> >> A what?
>
> >What do you mean "A what"? How can you not know what that means?
>
> Because it's a words that I've never heard ANYONE use EVER.
Oh how very unfortunate for you. Where have you spent your life? Have you
been in a monastry?
Oh all right, I will tell you. .
"Taking the piss" means pulling your leg, pulling your tit,
poking fun, taking the mickey out of you, teasing you, making a joke of
you.
It's very English, but is also used in Australia and New Zealand, and
probably Canada. IOW, most of the English-speaking world.
"Seppo" means American. It is strictly a Strine word, but is also known
and used to a minor extent in New Zealand. It was formulated from modified
Cockney rhyming slang with Ocker compulsive abbreviations (abbro) imposed
on it in what is now unique Strine rhyming slang, quite different from
the Cockney "Halligan's goat", "plates o' meat" style.
"WTF?", a Seppo abbreviation for "What the fuck?"
"Taking the piss" has been common since about the mid 1960s "Seppos" since
the mid '80s and WTF for about fifteen years, and is really used only in
on-line text based communication.
--
--
My domain contains .co, not .com as appears in the header.
Patrick Ford Auckland, Aotearoa (New Zealand)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: 3 Jun 2001 15:11:44 GMT
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3 Jun 2001 01:22:38 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)) wrote:
>>drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I have, yet there is still no way.
>>
>>> You are still incorrect.
>>
>>I searched for all of ten seconds until I found this blurb in a FAQ
>>about forte agent:
>>
>>"The Newsreader FORTE AGENT has a "killfile" capability.
>>You can actually select *to read* the writing of
>>certain authors, and automatically screen out the rest.
>>Also, you may read all but certain writers."
> But I don't want to filter out certain authors, as I want to read many
> of their posts in other threads. My newsreader has no facility to
> filter out certain authors only in certain threads.
Yes it does, you just never read the instructions. Just for hoots and
giggles, I grabbed the payfor version of Agent, cracked it with a handy
utility I found near astalavista.box.sk, and figured out how to do it
in almost, but not quite 5 minutes.
It is a little tricky, granted. But its entirely possible, and all you
need to get it to work is one functioning braincell.
>>You really are an idiot. Thank god you arent going to attempt to
>>use linux, it would probably kill you.
> I already am using linux, so fuck you.
Not very well, apparently. Please stop using it at once. You're
making the rest of us look bad.
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: 3 Jun 2001 15:14:23 GMT
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 03 Jun 2001 06:08:25 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>>On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 13:56:13 +0800,
>> Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> The Gimp is also nowhere near as expensive as PSP, in fact
>>>> its free.
>>>
>>> For people actually *doing* graphics work, this is entirely irrelevant. If
>>> Gimp can't do something, it can't do something.
>>
>>While you're correct, the GIMPis still a very capable graphics program.
> But not quite as capable as PSP.
Actually, you wouldnt know. You have already shown over and over that you
do not understand even the simplest software (Forte Agent) and that you
are loathe to read instructions. The fact is, you have no idea WHAT
the gimp can do, because you are retarded and useless.
>>> PSP (Paint Shop Pro) only costs 100 bucks... and is almost as fully
>>> functional as Photoshop.
>>
>>This is the problem as I see it, Windows *only* costs around $100 -$300,
>>PSP another hundred, Agent another ??, etc, etc.
> Not when you crack it.
There are those of us out there who hold stations in life in which it is not
wise to crack every single piece of software we want.
=====.
--
"George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Very interesting cracker article, and XP warning.
Date: 3 Jun 2001 15:16:13 GMT
Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: If I read this correctly, this guy is complaining because Microsoft is
: making their TCP/IP stack fully sockets standards compliant? Correct me if
: I'm wrong, but isn't one of the accusations commonly levelled at MS that
: they don't comply with standards? So now, they're damned if they do, damned
: if they don't.
Actually, I don't fault anyone for this fiasco, other than the
criminals who exploit it for their own purposes.
IPv4 was simply never designed with security in mind.
Nor was it ever anticipated, in anyone's wildest dreams, that it would
become so popular that we would risk running out of address space.
IPv6 addreses both problems and also offers a reasonable migration
path for existing IPv4 infrastructure.
We need to begin moving to it.
The migration will not happen instantaneously nor will it be
pain-free. It needs to begin soon, before worldwide use of the
Internet begins to explode (it's not saturated even in the
industrialized world, which holds only a minority of the world's
population and potential Internet users). Otherwise it will be even
more painful.
Joe
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 18:18:20 +0200
"Nico Coetzee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$51
> >
> > A good article about why people think so highly about UI.
> > It's a good approach, I believe.
> >
> > Any comments?
>
> Consistency is important. In X, most things are consistent (resizing,
> minimize, hide etc.) BUT the key bindings differ (take GNOME vs KDE).
> Even M$ Windows is not consistent with everything.
Yes, he noted this in several parts of the article.
> Other interesting UI facts: Copying a file in a CUI vs GUI:
>
> CUI:
>
> Assuming you are working in a command line UI, you just need one step:
>
> 1.) # cmd [options] file(s) destination
>
> example:
>
> # cp *jpg /mnt/floppy
I'm going to translate it to Windows, if you don't mind.
WinKey+R (load Run Dialog)
cmd
cd "my d" + tab to get my documents
cd "my p" + tab to get my pictures
copy *.jpg a:
(It would be much longer on Win9x based systems.)
> GUI:
>
> Using M$ Windows as example, there are several steps:
>
> 1.) Launch Windows Explorer ( Start > Programs > Windows Explorer )
> 2.) Nav through the file system to get to the files (one to several
> clicks - assuming "c:\my documents\my pictures", it will take at least
> twp clicks - first expand the directory "My Documents", then click on
> "My Pictures"
> 3.) Select files. This can also be anything from one click to several
> clicks. Selecting all JPG files involves in first arranging icons by
> type (View > Arrange Icons > by Type - one click), then select all the
> JPG files by dragging (count as one click). Total in this example is two
> clicks.
> 4.) Right click on selected files (one click)
> 5.) Select Send To > Floppy from menu (One click)
>
> Total Clicks: 7 or more clicks.
Let me give you a shorthanded version of this?
WinKey+E (launch explorer)
Press up key to go to My Documents, (or F4)
Press F6 (not needed if used F4)
Type "\My p" and then down arrow & enter, to get "my documents\my pictures"
F3, *.jpg, , ctrl+A
Shift+F10, send to, Floppy.
You can also choose what pictures to copy based on the picture's thumbnail,
too.
There are two advantages to the GUI here, you don't need to remember the
path here.
Browsing the FS is much more friendly (and fast) using the GUI than the CLI.
Second, you get to choose the pictures to copy based on their content,
rather than on their name.
> Add to that waiting period for Windows Explorer to launch and you have
> just taken quit a bit longer to do something in a GUI.
Explorer is very fast in loading, barely more than it takes to bring CMD.EXE
> Also, in Windows
> the copying process must finish before you can continue work in Windows
> Explorer, where as in *nix you can continue work while the copying is
> done in the background. I personally find this the biggest irritation
> when I work on M$ platforms.
AFAIK, this problem attacks Win95 (and other 9x?) only.
I certainly have no problem doing other stuff on Win2K while writing to
floppy.
> LASTLY, I think the M$ GUI problems is not bound to M$ allone - Linux,
> MAC and other GUI systems (or systems that can use GUI's) will have
> similar problems. I think it's time we rethink this whole thing. Yes,
> there are instances where I like a GUI, for example Graphic Design. But
> for many applications, the command line will remain KING.
Yes, server applications.
And that is because server application doesn't *need* UI.
What about desktops? Can you really claim that there are many desktop
applications where the CLI is a vialable competitor?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: MS - AOL breakdown...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:33:29 GMT
Interesting Balmer would want to do away with the GPL.
Let's see what else he's trying to steal?
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6168880.html
Oh, he's trying to steal AOL's copyright on Windows
Media Player.
Well I guess Microsoft didn't write the Media Player
either!
They STOLE IT.
--
Charlie
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