Linux-Advocacy Digest #942, Volume #34 Sun, 3 Jun 01 20:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Peter da Silva)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Peter da Silva)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (spam)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Michael Vester)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Chris Hedley)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Michael Vester)
Re: UI Importance (Woofbert)
Re: UI Importance (Woofbert)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Chad Myers")
Re: UI Importance (John Jensen)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Patrick Ford")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) (pip)
What Microsoft's CEO should do (daniel)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (sbd)
Re: MS - AOL breakdown... ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 3 Jun 2001 21:48:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Are you running non Microsoft software?"
> If yes, then go to the company that produced the software for help.
> "Did you reboot?"
> If yes then
> "Did you reinstall?"
> If yes then
> "You have a hardware problem, go bother the manufacturer"
Surely you exxagerate. It hasn't been that bad for me on the free support
line, except for that one appalling mistake. I haven't needed any extensive
handholding, though... just stupid Windows Newbie mistakes.
Of course this was all in the NT 3.51 era. It may have gotten worse since
then.
--
`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disclaimer: WWFD?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To: misc.invest.stocks,comp.arch
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: 3 Jun 2001 21:50:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Bayko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Amiga the company is basically developing an entirely new OS based
> on the work of a company called Tao Group, which has so far supported
> itself supplying embedded Java VMs (I believe), which compile JVM code
> to whatever native CPU it's running on (at load time, not JIT, and the
> compiled binaries are stored for next time). They've developed their own
> OS (Elate/OS) and Virtual Processor which is much better suited for
> compilation-on-demand than Java's stack-oriented VM.
Ah, I hope they follow through on it better than they did with QNX. Is
Elate anything like the original AmigaOS? QNX seemed like an obvious
replacement, they were both real-time message-based systems.
--
`-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disclaimer: WWFD?
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From: spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:31:19 -0700
On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 13:14:05 -0700, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Patrick Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> drsquare wrote:
>>
>> > On 3 Jun 2001 13:44:04 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> > ("Patrick Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>> >
>> > >drsquare wrote:
>> >
>> > >> >> What do you mean "WTF"? How can you not know what that means?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >He's a seppo, perhaps?
>> > >>
>> > >> A what?
>> >
>> > >What do you mean "A what"? How can you not know what that means?
>> >
>> > Because it's a words that I've never heard ANYONE use EVER.
>>
>> Oh how very unfortunate for you. Where have you spent your life? Have you
>> been in a monastry?
>
>Americans tend to live in America, Einstein.
>
Typical Yank, not caring to know about any other part of the world.
.nz address's are not European :-)
----
Glenn Davies
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 15:57:24 -0700
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> =
> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> >
> > One thing that I have noticed is that IE does
> > seem to parse HTML much better than Netscape
> > does. I've had the worst luck with getting
> > Netscape to process frames tags, as well as
> > tables, accurately.
> >
> > I used to create HTML files by hand, but since
> > I use IE exclusively now, I just use FP98 for
> > everything.
> =
> The main points of those two paragraphs may be
> related <grin>.
> =
> I still like to use vi (the vim version)
> for editing. First, I kind of like editing
> HTML by hand. Second, I can copy the
> whole site between my Linux and NT box, so
> that I can test it with IE 5 and Netscape 4.76.
> If you stick to the more conventional stuff,
> they both work pretty well, although IE
> seems to want to show the fonts much larger
> than does NetScape.
> =
> I know this is off topic, but there's the
> Web site I cobbled together for the Charleston
> Battery soccer team's official supporter's
> club:
> =
> http://www.charlestonbattery.com/Regiment/Reg2001/index.html
> =
> As you can see, it's fairly straightforward. We
> concentrate currently on simple news, humor, and
> pictures.
> =
> If you view the source, you'll see that I'm an
> anal kind of guy.
> =
Good code, well indented, very readable. I don't indent my HTML and I us=
e
<strong> instead of <b>. I can't stand the HTML code generators. The
reason code generators are so popular with web development shops is the
web developer is too stupid to learn HTML. Code generators like Frontpag=
e
leaves the tags after you delete the text. Soon your get a
<table><table><table><table><table></table></table></table></table></tabl=
e>
mess. I guess its ok if you never have to look at it. And you don't mind=
wasting bandwidth. In my situation, I have to correct web developers code=
before I can integrate it with the site. Of course, I use vi. I am a big
vi fan now. It is not a full blown editing system like Emacs but it has
way more functionality than poor old losedos Notepad=A9 or the anemic edi=
tor
in Interdev=A9.
> Chris
> =
> Wow, left this sitting here for hours. Hitting
> SEND now!
-- =
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is =
too late for the pebbles to vote" =
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Hedley)
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:32:43 +0100
According to Ray1234 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> you shouldn't be wasting ABB's money & time on these newsgroups....)
You shouldn't be top-posting and failing to trim your quotes.
Chris.
--
//USENET01 JOB (CBH,ISA),'TALKING BOLLOCKS',REGION=4000K,CLASS=F,
// MSGCLASS=A,PASSWORD=WIBBLE,USER=CBH,COND=(04,LT)
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 16:10:50 -0700
Peter da Silva wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Are you running non Microsoft software?"
> > If yes, then go to the company that produced the software for help.
> > "Did you reboot?"
> > If yes then
> > "Did you reinstall?"
> > If yes then
> > "You have a hardware problem, go bother the manufacturer"
>
> Surely you exxagerate. It hasn't been that bad for me on the free support
> line, except for that one appalling mistake. I haven't needed any extensive
> handholding, though... just stupid Windows Newbie mistakes.
>
> Of course this was all in the NT 3.51 era. It may have gotten worse since
> then.
>
It was in the 3.51 era. My PHB had to have the most heavily loaded
workstation in the company, running NT 3.51 of course. Another example was
our Dec Alpha running 3.51 freezing after 20 people logged in. We had a
Dec guy in for that one. Microsoft gave him the "Its not us, its your
hardware" answer. The Dec was unusable and was junked. Even had two MSCE's
throw themselves at it for 3 months. My bosses loaded machine was fixed by
removing some of the peripherals and moving them to another computer. My
solution.
Crappie tech support is not limited to Microsoft. Personally, I don't
bother with any company's tech support. I can discover than solution in
less time than waiting on hold.
> --
> `-_-' In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.
> 'U` "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."
> -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Disclaimer: WWFD?
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 22:44:42 GMT
In article <gxwS6.67383$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Brian Lewis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, drsquare
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 19:13:46 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > (Nico Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > >
> > > Vi is the only program you need to design web sites.
> >
> > And what's this vi crap? How DARE you use a screen-oriented text
> > editor? If your'e gonna be a REAL he-programmer, you should be using ed. }: )
>
> HA! Real men don't need programs.
var'aq: the Warrior's Programming Language
http://www.geocities.com/connorbd/varaq/
http://www.trektoday.com/news/070800_05.shtml
More on Klingon programming:
http://www.khemorex-klinzhai.de/e/culture/programming.html
--
Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
email <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>
web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 22:46:24 GMT
In article <l9xS6.7691$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John
Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It stikes me that developers could just invent what they like, and users
> could just choose to use what they like.
Where have you been? That's what people did in the Bad Old Days before
the Macintosh. Every program had its own UI style, and nothing worked
with anything else. Programmers merrily wrote their own user interfaces,
and learning any new application was a trial.
--
Woofbert: Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
email <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>
web http://www.infernosoft.com/woofbert
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 22:43:07 GMT
"spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 13:14:05 -0700, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"Patrick Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> drsquare wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 3 Jun 2001 13:44:04 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >> > ("Patrick Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >drsquare wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >> >> What do you mean "WTF"? How can you not know what that means?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >He's a seppo, perhaps?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> A what?
> >> >
> >> > >What do you mean "A what"? How can you not know what that means?
> >> >
> >> > Because it's a words that I've never heard ANYONE use EVER.
> >>
> >> Oh how very unfortunate for you. Where have you spent your life? Have you
> >> been in a monastry?
> >
> >Americans tend to live in America, Einstein.
> >
>
> Typical Yank, not caring to know about any other part of the world.
> .nz address's are not European :-)
What?
Yet another example of typical European (or commonwealth) attitude.
It's not that he wasn't caring, it's just that you stuffy Europeans
(or commonwealthers) are so oblivious to the fact that you're arrogant
and ignorant.
I guess you expect everyone in the world to know your quaint little
slang (which sounds retarded).
Stephen was merely educating our blinded Brit that not everyone
lives in Britain.
-c
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 22:58:39 GMT
In comp.sys.mac.advocacy Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <l9xS6.7691$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John
> Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It stikes me that developers could just invent what they like, and users
>> could just choose to use what they like.
> Where have you been? That's what people did in the Bad Old Days before
> the Macintosh. Every program had its own UI style, and nothing worked
> with anything else. Programmers merrily wrote their own user interfaces,
> and learning any new application was a trial.
I was here (on Mac) through the whole thing. I bought my Mac the first
month they were out in '84, and joined the developer program the same
year.
What I think in retrospect is that we were right in thinking the Mac had
the best UI, but wrong in thinking everyone else would (or should) put
as high a value on that as we did.
John
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From: "Patrick Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: 4 Jun 2001 10:27:58 +1200
Stephen S. Edwards II wrote:
> "Patrick Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > drsquare wrote:
> >
> > > On 3 Jun 2001 13:44:04 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > ("Patrick Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> > >
> > > >drsquare wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >> What do you mean "WTF"? How can you not know what that means?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >He's a seppo, perhaps?
> > > >>
> > > >> A what?
> > >
> > > >What do you mean "A what"? How can you not know what that means?
> > >
> > > Because it's a words that I've never heard ANYONE use EVER.
> >
> > Oh how very unfortunate for you. Where have you spent your life? Have you
> > been in a monastry?
>
> Americans tend to live in America, Einstein.
Very true, but most of them have good general knowledge of the rest of the
world. The US president who thought Afghanistran was in Africa is not
typical of the ones I have known.
>
> Even if we do visit the old world, we don't
> necessarily pick up on all of the cultural
> nuances.
>
> "Taking the piss", "taking the mickey", and
> "pulling your tit" are not common phrases in
> the U.S.
> And tell me, oh culturally superior one,
> can you tell me what these words mean in
> America? I'll do you a favor, and list
> the answers anyway.
Its beside the point whether i know what they mean. If I come across them
and don't know what they mean I work it out from context or find some
other way of interpreting meaning. I certainly don't start squealing about
them. Anyway I'll have a crack at sussing your list.
>
> fag
Probably a poo-pusher, of homsexual. It's also a cigarette in some places.
> funny car
That's a type of drag car, (a saloon bodied fueler maybe, I think)
> curbie
Don't know, maybe a street whore?
> basket case
The state of your ex-school education
> english muffin
A cross between a bun and a cake
> phat
No, that has me fair bushed
> stud
Breeding male animal, also man with narcisisstic obsession with his own
breeding ability
> JAP
Obviously a person of Japan.
> nuking
Attack with nuclear weapons or heat in Irish-Japanese oven (Michael O'Wave)
> whoopass
Some obscene and distasteful student party tribal ritual
> axe n' amp
Nope . . .
> tube
Dunno. Can of beer?
> grunge
Ragged & rough, tending towards unclean
> lemon
Ratshit purchase from a car dealer
>
> You might know some, or all of these terms,
> but my point is, every culture has terms
> and phrases that they use, and scoffing at
> someone just because they aren't familiar
> with your culture is just as bigoted as
> someone scoffing at you because _of_ your
> culture.
>
> Us Yanks don't typically use words like
> "roller", or "rogering", or "doxy", or
> "flat", or "taking the piss" regularly.
But you (collectively) do very regularly use terms that are comon only in
USA. So don't squeal as soon as someone uses just ONE phrase that you
don't know.
> So lay off, Newzy.
The rest of the world has been putting upwith your Seppo cultural
arrogance without a murmer for years. You don't like it when it's thrown
back at you as a joke do you? Squeal like a stuck pig don't you?
>
> >
> > "WTF?", a Seppo abbreviation for "What the fuck?"
>
> No. WTF is an internet abbreviation for "What The Fuck?"
> You know, that thing that us dumb Yankies developed as DARPAnet.
WTF are "Yankies"? Do you mean Seppos?
--
--
My domain contains .co, not .com as appears in the header.
Patrick Ford Auckland, Aotearoa (New Zealand)
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:24:19 GMT
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > The structure of OSS projects makes it ratjer hard
> > to do many of the techniques commercial developers
> > do you. You can have code readings, yes, but not
> > walkthroughs or inspections. You can have unit tests,
> > but only if your contributors feel like writing them.
>
> .. and m$ has such a great QA department? I gues thats why they are
> alwasy gettting hacked, and there's so many BSODs.
Hey, at least they can do better than StarOffice. :D
[snip]
> Now, how is the OS so portable, and not the apps that run on that OS?
Well, Unix is easy to port to new hardware, but
Unix apps are often not easy to port to other
operating systems.
What's so difficult to understand about that?
[snip]
> > Go to www.gnome.org; there's a FAQ about them
> > there.
>
> Really? would you be so kind as to give me the URL. I cant seem to find
> one for the GNU Foundation.
I never mentioned any "GNU Foundation"; I think
you must be thinking of the Free Software Foundation.
I was thinking of the GNOME Foundation.
But I don't suppose it makes much
difference really.
[snip]
> > I don't think there's any problem here.
>
> No, you said GNU didnt have the money to sue. See you you twist thigs
> and squirm out of things.
I said they didn't have the money to be worth suing. One
generally doesn't get to sue a company because *you*
copied from *them*. :D
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:26:33 GMT
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
[snip]
> > My, you are tenacious. If your really need to have
> > the obivous pointed out to you, I will do it.
> >
> > The problem with your reasoning there is that
> > you are equivocating in the meaning of "themes".
>
> Im not equivocating in the meaning of anything. You said themes=widget
> sets=skins. Therefore, if they equal each other, if you change one, you
> canhge the other, therfore, by your defintion, change a theme or skin
> and you change the widget set. -By YOUR defintion-.
I didn't give any definitions, strictly speaking.
However, if you use "theme" to mean what
you can reconfigure in KDE or GNOME,
then you are using it to mean something different
from what I was talking about.
If you use this meaning, then themese are not
widget sets.
You aren't going to get anywhere by doing
this unless I do forget where we've already
been.
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 00:36:27 +0100
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> Don't get me wrong... I like UNIX
> operating systems. But what you need to
> understand is that we don't need advertising
> in here. If you want to debate about the
> technical merits of operating systems, that's
> just fine and dandy. If you come across an
> interesting article, by all means post it.
> That's exactly what this group is for.
> Besides, If you had the kind of experience with UNIX
> that you seem to pretend to have, you'd understand
> why the Linux kernel is completely substandard.
OK, well GPL spiel aside - may I ask why you think why the Linux kernel
is "completely" substandard ? In the interests of fairness I would like
you to compare 2.4.x V Win2k, so we are on the same ground.
May make for a more interesting thread :)
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From: daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What Microsoft's CEO should do
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:49:16 GMT
I have witnessed first hand how many large organizations can operate
for years with completely skewed thinking in place which can seriously
block its potential to do better things.
It seems clear to me that this is going on at Microsoft to a major
degree with respect to 1) interoperability with other platforms, and
2) with respect to the open protocols and standards which enable
technology to progress and develop around the world.
Apparently some parties at the company believe that it helps their
company to severly limit their products' capacity to interoperate with
other platforms, such as with Linux. As simple example of this is the
fact that from a Windows machine you cannot access an ext2 filesystem
without a 3rd party application like Explore2fs, while with Linux most
stock kernels are compiled out of the box with FAT and VFAT support
and go so far as to set up an fstab entry to automatically mount a FAT
or VFAT filesystem each time the system runs.
Microsoft is being extremely foolish by pretending that what it
considers as competing platforms don't exist. They gain nothing from
not providing interoperability support and only bolster their
reputation as being a stodgy, profit-first mentality company that
wants to force people down a certain path.
Now what if they actually did provide support for the ext2 filesystem?
Not only would their product be more usable, the company as a whole
would, if not gain more acceptance, at least receive less criticism
from the community of users who may use a Microsoft platform in
addition to other platforms.
If I were the president of the company I would have the people
responsible for this sort of mentality out immediately. To operate as
a company with such a high degree of market domination from a paranoid
point of view like this is outrageous.
Let us look at another thing: the DOS shell. The DOS shell is
basically a nearly useless joke. Why not implement a real shell
environment such as BASH? But I wonder if the people who set policy
at Microsoft even have the capability to see how the BASH shell is
such an important part of Linux and why it is so popular. Having a
full, feature-rich shell environment which underlies the gui and which
provides full-functionality in every respect such that the gui becomes
almost secondary (in many instances it is truly secondary) means that
the core of the OS is solid and robust.
If I were the president of Microsoft I would be highly interested in
the Cygwin project and would want to see most of what it does
implemented natively in Windows and integrated into the shell (or
replace the DOS shell).
With respect to open standards and RFCs again the way Microsoft
operates is a mess. With as much weight as they have why don't they
realize that operating with a profit-first mentality in a state of
paranoia they stunt their potential to work in a flourishing
environment with the developer community of the world and, should they
choose to contribute (not dictate) to the development of standards
would gain greater acceptance and realize greater benefit to users
around the world?
When I read the findings of fact from the antitrust trial I was so
glad that this information was published and acknowleged. Every
finding was correct and also a serious problem.
I think what Microsoft is protecting has nothing to do with business
actually. I think that really a large bureaucracy of lazy and inept
mangement want to cover its ass and protect its way of life. Silicon
Valley has witnessed over the years how new and innovative ways of
thinking and operating can lead to exciting developments and great
gains in the technological world. But young companies that are
versatile, innovative, and put an emphasis on creativity and reward
innovators more than policy makers often change. Maybe the real war
that has to be fought at Microsoft is an internal one.
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From: sbd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 00:49:45 +0100
yeah, not everyone can be so lucky.
sbd
>
>Stephen was merely educating our blinded Brit that not everyone
>lives in Britain.
>
>-c
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS - AOL breakdown...
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:08:28 -0500
No, Charlie has no mind to work in the first place, he just seems to type
randomly.
"fmc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:pOtS6.20843$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The article said nothing about an AOL copyright, in fact it referred to
> "Microsoft's Windows Media Player format " and "Speculation that AOL would
> shift allegiances to Windows Media Player ", but you still managed to
come
> to the conclusion that Microsoft stole it from AOL. Interesting, how the
> mind works, isn't it?.
>
> fm
>
> "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Interesting Balmer would want to do away with the GPL.
> >
> > Let's see what else he's trying to steal?
> >
> > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6168880.html
> >
> > Oh, he's trying to steal AOL's copyright on Windows
> > Media Player.
> >
> > Well I guess Microsoft didn't write the Media Player
> > either!
> >
> > They STOLE IT.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Charlie
> > -------
>
>
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