Linux-Advocacy Digest #46, Volume #35 Fri, 8 Jun 01 08:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Dan Pidcock)
Re: Argh - Ballmer (Dan Pidcock)
Re: IBM Goes Gay (Dan Pidcock)
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft (Dan Pidcock)
Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("David Brown")
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: UI Importance (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Argh - Ballmer (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Argh - Ballmer (Charlie Ebert)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pidcock)
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:10:14 GMT
On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 04:05:34 GMT, T. Max Devlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Bob Hauck in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:45:03
>>On Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:37:22 GMT, T. Max Devlin
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> In theory, an ISP could run thousands of hosts on one mainframe. Such
>>> an ISP would go out of business, though. It is not an efficient way to
>>> spend money, that's all.
>>Lots of hosting providers
>>offer "dedicated hosts", which is usually something like a Cobalt RaQ,
>>for $200/month. A mainframe could do the same thing on one machine.
>>There should be a breakeven point where the mainframe is cheaper per
>>host, since the cost to add another is $0 vs ~$1000 for the RaQ. The
>>only question is whether or not that point is within the capacity of
>>the mainframe.
>
>And the answer is provided by the fact that it is not within the
>capacity of the purchaser of the mainframe.
What do you mean by that? The purchaser cannot afford the mainframe?
They will not be able to run that many virtual machines on the
mainframe? They will not have that many customers?
>It would be a massively
>illogical approach. I can't believe you would think it is efficient.
>Don't you understand distributed processing at all? Sure, it would be
>*possible* to do everything on "one big computer". That doesn't make it
>*efficient*, see? Neither from a technical engineering, nor from a
>business economics, standpoint.
Well from cursory examination it sounds like it should be efficient.
Adding new virtual servers has minimal cost compared to $1000 for a
real Raq. Please can you explain why it is not efficient, both
technically and economically.
>I don't need to have performed the calculations of either bits or bucks
>to know this is the case. Your position is an argument from ignorance,
>not a serious attempt to show that mainframes make cost-effective
>network servers.
And your argument is half stated. Your position appears to be
knee-jerk mainframe hatred.
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pidcock)
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:10:15 GMT
On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 06:17:04 GMT, T. Max Devlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 3 Jun 2001
>>"Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...]
>>> Of course they can. They can distribute modules for a certain non-GPL
>>> proggie under the GPL license, can't they?
>>
>>No. A module is just a dynamically linked object file, and the GPL
>>specifically does not allow you to get around the GPL this way.
>
>You are mistaken, Erik. A "module" is the object that is linked *to*.
>You can distribute modules for non-GPL programs under the GPL, to your
>heart's content.
That's as maybe, but can you distribute modules for GPLd programs not
under the GPL?
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pidcock)
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:10:15 GMT
On 8 Jun 2001 04:17:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "." wrote:
>>>
>>> Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > "." wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >> > On 8 Jun 2001 01:42:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Call Renee Brown at 212-745-3626 and ask HER about IBM's gay and
>>> >> > lesbian policy.
>>> >>
>>> >> What ill do instead is call her and let her know that you just posted her
>>> >> real name and phone number to usenet, accessable to the entire planet.
>>> >>
>>> >> I cant wait to see what she says.
>>> >>
>>> >> -----.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
>>> >>
>>> >> ---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
>>>
>>> > Make sure you keep that .sig when if you email her.
>>> > --
>>> > - Brent
>>>
>>> It is useful to keep in mind that my sig file is *satire*.
>>>
>>> And the person whom I am quoting is quite brilliant, and not homophobic
>>> in the least.
>
>> Didn't you call someone a limey in a recent post? I suppose that's not
>> as bad as being a homophobe, although I'm not sure why.
>
>I might have. I hate the english.
Ve are hating ze english. Zey are fery bad and must be destroyed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Pidcock)
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:10:16 GMT
On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 05:55:36 GMT, T. Max Devlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 5 Jun 2001
>>"Philip Neves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:Hj_S6.1976$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>[Snip]
>>Finally, Visio was only purchased about a year ago, and had been a
>>successful product for almost a decade. Most companies *WANT* to be bought
>>out. The employees want to move on to do something else, and their business
>>plan calls for them to be bought out by someone larger.
>
>*THAT* is an awesomely stupid statement.
I dunno. Wouldn't you be tempted to sell out if MS came knocking on
your door with a big suitcase full of money? You wouldn't have to
support your old code and users & could start on a completely new
direction. Then again this doesn't appeal to everyone; some people
would prefer to keep developing their pet product.
>>> In the eighties Apple computers sued Microsoft for taking Apples software
>>> and passing it off as thier own. They would have got away with it if it
>>> wasn't for the fact that Apple hadn't embeded their copywrite notice into
>>> the software itself.
>>
>>This is patently untrue.
>
>It is slightly mistaken. It was actually a contract that Apple agreed
>to with MS to get them to write applications for the Mac platform, not
>any 'embedded copyright notice', that allowed MS to get away with
>ripping off the Mac.
I don't thing this was about apps: more the O/S - see below.
>>Please provide some kind of reference. I've never
>>heard of it, and this is the sort of thing that would have made the rounds
>>on newsgroups like the Stac and Citrix BS has for years.
>
>That isn't BS, either. Stac and Citrix did both get screwed by MS, just
>like Apple. Phillip's comments get skewed because he seems to believe
>that Apple won their suite (they lost) and that it had to do with some
>'embedded copyright', rather than the 'look and feel copyright' that the
>case actually pertained to.
I think that Philip is talking about the law suit that apple brought
against MS alleging they 'stole' the look and feel of MacOS for use in
windows rather than for a program. They failed, and Xerox then sued
Apple saying they had 'stolen' the look and feel of a GUI from Xerox'
work at PARC.
Dan
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 06:21:27 -0400
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > > > Why? What is the reason for this decision?
> > >
> > > Speed.
> >
> > How making the OS crash if the GDI crash (even in it's in user mode) cause
> > speed increase?
>
> By putting the GDI in ring 0 with the kernel. A really bad idea, and
> David Cutler squawked like hell and got fired over it.
>
And as usuall...when the chief architect complains so much that he gets
fired...his words come back to haunt those who fired him.
> --
> V
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:31:13 +0200
T. Max Devlin wrote in message ...
>Said David Brown in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:16:05
>>Stephen Edwards wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> [...]
>>As you have noted here, there is a very big difference between blindly
>>"loving your country" and rationally supporting its ideals and way of
life.
>
>Yada yada yada...
>
>>There can be no pride in the sense of personal achievement for being born
in
>>a particular country, but you can well love your country for what it
stands
>>for. [...]
>
>This statement is something of a canard, David, which is why you sound
>more-or-less like a jerk in this exchange. You made up the straw man
>about 'pride in geographic location of birth' yourself to begin with.
I didn't make this up - I am trying to sort out what other people in the
thread mean, as it is obvious that people are not agreeing on terms, and are
(as usual) flaming each other for things they did not mean. But I think
perhaps Mart van de Wege put it more clearly than me.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.aol-sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:27:16 -0400
JS \\ PL wrote:
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9fmabf$cmj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > http://www.jokeaday.com/7letters.shtml
> >
> > It's on a mailing list I'm subscribe to.
> > The post-master sent an email about AOL.EXE being a virus, and urge people
> > to delete it, and post some of the replies in the above URL.
> >
> > Here are a couple of the most amusing replies:
> >
> > "I beleive that this is a hoax. Isn't AOL.exe a vital component to the
> > window's operating system? "
> >
> > "No!! Any file ending in .EXE is a necessary file to your computer.
> Wherever
> > you got that information they're wrong. You need that file. I have learned
> > this the wrong way. Don't delete any file ending in .EXE Please pass this
> on
> > to everybody."
>
> That's just one more reason why slapping should be legalized!
>
> Had a guy tell me just the other day that his "internet" kept disconnecting
> so he went in and started deleting a bunch of stuff from his hard drive and
> it's alot better now! I just responded with my usual smiling "yea, sounds
> like you fixed it pretty good".
>
> Today I was called to a friends office. They couldn't connect to the
> internet. And I quote "Last night at 5:30PM everything was fine! Now today
> it won't connect! So I get all fixed up from my slob state, drive down there
> to see that the computer IS connected. They explain to me that it cant be
> connected because nothing they type goes to the web site's username /
> password input box.
>
> Hmm... nothing they type shows up....oh look here........another clue....
> the number lock won't light up....hey I wonder if ANY keys work....were the
> cleaning people here last night?
Typical LoseDOS lusers.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:27:33 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9fq376$1tun$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:15:30 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > >
> > > >And are they up to the standards of Windows documentation?
> > >
> > > Actually, I don't see the point in porting any shells to windows.
> > > Windows is a GUI orientated OS, and there's not a lot you can do from
> > > the command line apart from launching things and basic file
> > > manipulation.
> >
> > Have you actually used Windows? You can do practically anything from the
> > command line.
>
> Changing drivers would be nice, how do I do it from the CLI?
/sbin/modprobe module1 module2 module3....
<grin>
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.aol-sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:42:19 -0400
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> http://www.jokeaday.com/7letters.shtml
>
> It's on a mailing list I'm subscribe to.
> The post-master sent an email about AOL.EXE being a virus, and urge people
> to delete it, and post some of the replies in the above URL.
>
> Here are a couple of the most amusing replies:
>
> "I beleive that this is a hoax. Isn't AOL.exe a vital component to the
> window's operating system? "
>
> "No!! Any file ending in .EXE is a necessary file to your computer. Wherever
> you got that information they're wrong. You need that file. I have learned
> this the wrong way. Don't delete any file ending in .EXE Please pass this on
> to everybody."
And what do these people ALL have in common???
Yes, that's right...they use LoseDOS.
Another reason why Linux is superior....anyone stupid enough
to fall for that would be toooo stupid to know how to fuck up
their own linux system.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:42:19 GMT
"Christopher L. Estep" wrote:
>
> Also, merely enabling CD-R/RW support in Linux requires making changes to
> your kernel.
Not in my old distro, Red Hat 6.2.
> I know of *no* distribrution that enables SCSI emulation
> (which all Linux CD-R/RW programs require) by default.
When I installed RedHat 7.1, I did a total reinstall (wanted
to reduce the amount of disk space devoted to Win 2000).
To my surprise, it enabled ide-scsi without me having to edit
a thing.
> Now here comes
> Microsoft (and Roxio) with *on-by-default* CD-R/RW (and DVD-RAM) support in
> Windows XP.
I wouldn't be so hot to use Roxio in your example, ha ha.
> Microsoft did *not* claim to have the only operating system that supports
> CD-R/RW. However, Windows XP *is* the *only* operating system to have
> *genuinely usable from day one* CD-R/RW
WRONG
> (and DVD-RAM) support.
Beats me, I haven't bought one (DVD) yet.
> Also, here's a cold hard fact: DVD drives for computers *still* cost less
> than standalone DVD players for the home. (DVD players for the home *still*
> cost above $200 US, while those for computers are about half that.)
But do the computer versions provide the CSS decoding software for
movies?
Another fucking Chris!
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.aol-sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:44:17 -0400
flatfish+++ wrote:
>
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 01:06:55 +0200, "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.jokeaday.com/7letters.shtml
> >
> >It's on a mailing list I'm subscribe to.
> >The post-master sent an email about AOL.EXE being a virus, and urge people
> >to delete it, and post some of the replies in the above URL.
> >
> >Here are a couple of the most amusing replies:
> >
> >"I beleive that this is a hoax. Isn't AOL.exe a vital component to the
> >window's operating system? "
> >
> >"No!! Any file ending in .EXE is a necessary file to your computer. Wherever
> >you got that information they're wrong. You need that file. I have learned
> >this the wrong way. Don't delete any file ending in .EXE Please pass this on
> >to everybody."
> >
>
> And the Linvocates expect these people to edit config files and run
> Linux?
Obviously, they aren't capable of maintaining their own LoseDOS systems
properly, either.
On the other hand, with Linux, they can't IMPULSIVELY do such things,
because FIRST they would have to log into root...that is, if they can
remember the password.
>
> Unfortunately the above is the sorry level of computer knowledge out
> there in the world.
...thanks to Bill Gates' propaganda that computer knowledge is unnecessary
> Just take a wander past the computers in Walmart
> and listen to the questions people are asking the sales staff.
See above
>
> ie: This machine comes with 40 gigabytes of memory right?
>
> flatfish+++
> "Why do they call it a flatfish?"
--
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Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:51:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim Richardson wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 00:27:20 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> Paolo Ciambotti wrote:
>>> >
>>> > In article <KihT6.8375$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
>>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> I'll have to side with you on this one, Paolo. Now that I recall, a lot
>>> of federal projects that gave funds to universities that researched a
>>> particular idea or special projects were classified and later the rights
>>> were purchased by a private company and then turned around and patented
>>> or copyrighted the material. One fellow I know as a welder in a
>>> shipyard developed the argon gas welding equipment with the help of the
>>> goverment and he later applied a patent to the process.
>>
>> There is a difference between the government funding a third party and the
>> government creating something itself with government employees.
>>
>>
>>
>
>If the govt is creating the software itself, then it should only be made
>available in an open source format. No company should have exclusive
>rights to it. Especially microsoft.
>
The term Creation also means paying others to write it.
I believe all software which came into existance using
tax dollars must be GPL'd.
Very simple.
>
>
>--
>Jim Richardson
> Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
>www.eskimo.com/~warlock
> Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
>
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Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:53:08 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 2 Jun 2001
>>"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> In article <F2%R6.16166$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike
>>wrote:
>>> >I think Ballmer has a point. It seems evident to me that if government
>>funds
>>> >are used to support software research, the results of that research
>>should
>>> >be, in most cases, public domain. Ballmer's contention is that the GNU
>>> >license restricts the use of software, so GNU software isn't really
>>public
>>> >domain.
>>>
>>> Incorrect. The GPL license is the ONLY license which should be used
>>> on all government projects. We don't pay GOD DAMN TAX DOLLARS just
>>> so companies like MICROSOFT CAN POCKET THE DEVELOPMENT MONEY AND
>>> COPYRIGHT IT FOR THEIR OWN PROFITS.
>>
>>Charlie. Grow a brain.
>
>Charlie Ebert - grow a brain? You aren't new around here, Erik. You
>must know that is a silly idea.
>
No it's not. There is no reason any software developed with
TAX DOLLARS should be put under a copyrighted license.
All software developed by the U.S. Government, written in house
or funded and written by a contractor should be GPL'd.
--
Charlie
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