Linux-Advocacy Digest #59, Volume #35 Fri, 8 Jun 01 16:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals (.)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals (.)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (.)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (.)
Re: Argh - Ballmer ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (.)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (.)
Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals (chrisv)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals
Date: 8 Jun 2001 19:26:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > "." wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > "." wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> > mlw wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> flatfish+++ wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:50:05 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > >For the record, I'm not gay, and think the idea of being with another
>man is
>> >> >> >> > >repugnant. Those are my personal feelings and it certainly is not my,
>nor
>> >> >> >> > >anyone else's, place to judge anyone based on personal feelings.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Wait until they try to teach "alternate lifestyles" to your children
>> >> >> >> > in school.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Fear makes a person small.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > We have a special word for people who don't recognize danger............
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Recruits?
>> >>
>> >> > Absolutely not.
>> >>
>> >> > Basic training is all about recognizing, alleviateing, and combating
>> >> > dangers of all sorts.
>> >>
>> >> Its actually all about volunteering to die
>>
>> > The purpose of military is NOT to die for one's country....
>>
>> > or, as the DI in "Full Metal Jacket" so eloquently put it:
>>
>> > " [describing a screw up] and then you'll be DEAD Marines....and then you'll
>> > REALLY be in a world of shit, because Marines don't die without permisssion."
>>
>> >> for absolutely no reason at all.
>>
>> > Do you enjoy your constitutional freedoms?
>>
>> > a) no
>> > B) YES
>>
>> > If so, thank a soldier.
>>
>> Oh and by the way, how exactly were you defending my constitutional freedom
>> in saudi arabia?
> Simple.
> Freedom to conduct business without your fuel prices being subjected to gouging
> by a Moscow-created Hitler-style dictator.
Instead theyre subjected to gouging by a US created hitler style OPEC.
Your brain doesnt work, aaron.
Also, I use natural gas, mined right here in the united states. Nothing I use
utilizes oil or its residuals in any way.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 15:29:24 -0400
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:02:14 -0400
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote
> >> on Mon, 21 May 2001 23:40:00 -0400
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> >"Vallely's Dirt in Boss King's Ditch.." wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Aaron's a homophobe,
> >> > ^^^^^^^^^
> >> >
> >> >You misspelled "person who finds buggery disgusting"
> >>
> >> Well, that's a start; "despise the sin but not the sinner" is
> >> a good Christian value -- although I for one have trouble drawing
> >> the boundary line, for we are what we do, although many aspire
> >> to do more.
> >>
> >> But how is "buggery" any more or less disgusting than:
> >>
> >> - murder?
> >> - drinking a woman's urine or eating her feces?
> >> - typing up a person and beating him or her with a whip?
> >> - highly orgasmic consensual sex which leaves a mess on the bed
> >> and both participants wishing to take a drink and a shower and
> >> launder the sheets because they sweated so much?
> >> - bathing in the Ganges, which is full of crap?
> >> - child molestation and abduction?
> >> - eating from a cow whose carcass has been killed, drained,
> >> dressed, aged, and ground up?
> >> - goose dung?
> >> - deliberatelly spraying or contaminating food or drugs with a
> >> pathogen (e.g., E. Coli) or chemical poison such as cyanide,
> >> strychnine, or even peanut oil (for those who are allergic to it,
> >> that can be deadly)?
> >> - razor blades in apples?
> >> - eating tainted food and throwing up?
> >> - eating too much food and throwing up (anorexia bulimia)?
> >> - living in a rat-infested hovel, some rats infected with fleas,
> >> some fleas infected with the pathogen responsible for bubonic plague?
> >> - flesh-eating bacteria, Ebola, smallpox?
> >> - blowing up a building, causing the deaths of 168 people, for no good
> >> reason other than to exact revenge for a botched government action
> >> 2 years ago?
> >> - embracing an enemy soldier, live and ticking grenade in hand? [*]
> >> - taking away a gun owner's legitimate right to own a weapon
> >> in order to defend his house and family against an overdespotic
> >> invader or government?
> >> - taking away a land owner's legitimate right to own property and use
> >> it as he sees fit, considerations of neighbors such as pollution,
> >> noise, overbuilding, and such permitting?
> >> - government-mandated taking from the rich and giving to the poor,
> >> "rich" and "poor" being defined by sightly idiosyncratic government
> >> procedures?
> >> - dying on the street because of no home, food, and money?
> >> - dying on the street because some bozo plays "shoot the target"?
> >>
> >> And, more to the point, which of these allegedly disgusting scourges
> >> should the government or citizenry (ideally, both!) attempt to
> >> spend money, energy, or other resources to eradicate, first?
> >
> >
> >They're ALL disgusting.
>
> Thank you for responding in the positive, but I was more interested
> in the comparative. Specifically, which one of these should be
> eradicated (or at least attempts at eradication done to) first using
> public funds and/or resources, which one should be second, third, etc.
> (i.e., a ranking), and why?
>
> Again, please be specific, and bear also in mind that government is
> a multilevel entity, from city to federal.
Maybe in Russia, but not in the United States, it isn't
In the US, each level of government is a SEPARATE entity.
>
> [rest snipped]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 39d:15h:09m actually running Linux.
> Be paranoid. Everyone else is.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals
Date: 8 Jun 2001 19:28:03 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > "." wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > "." wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> > mlw wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> flatfish+++ wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:50:05 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > >For the record, I'm not gay, and think the idea of being with another
>man is
>> >> >> >> > >repugnant. Those are my personal feelings and it certainly is not my,
>nor
>> >> >> >> > >anyone else's, place to judge anyone based on personal feelings.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Wait until they try to teach "alternate lifestyles" to your children
>> >> >> >> > in school.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Fear makes a person small.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > We have a special word for people who don't recognize danger............
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Recruits?
>> >>
>> >> > Absolutely not.
>> >>
>> >> > Basic training is all about recognizing, alleviateing, and combating
>> >> > dangers of all sorts.
>> >>
>> >> Its actually all about volunteering to die
>>
>> > The purpose of military is NOT to die for one's country....
>>
>> Yes it is. And you are irretrievably stupid for not understanding it.
> Wrong. Any soldier who dies is a FAILURE.
Yeah? You wanna come with me to Rolling Thunder next time? I'll be the one in the
leather pants and the "fuck you" shirt standing at the point of the vietnam war
memorial.
Say it again, there. Dont forget to say it loudly. I'll bring a bullhorn if you
need some help.
>>
>> You couldnt have been an officer in your imaginary tour during the "gulf war".
> Decorated 6 times in theater.
Not an officer. Officers generally have a clue about whats "really" going on. And
I know, because my family is full of them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: 8 Jun 2001 19:29:04 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 08:38:38 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> > ("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>> >>"." wrote:
>>
>> >>> >> So, its the anal intercourse you dont like, or only if its between two
>> >>> >> men?
>> >>>
>> >>> > it's the SPREADING OF DISEASE which I don't like.
>> >>>
>> >>> Never worked at a fast food joint, didja.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you did, the food service industry would be at the forefront of your
>> >>> insane rant.
>> >>
>> >>Which is why gays should be prohibited from food service.
>> >>
>> >>Most hepatitis outbreaks are traced back to an infected food service
>> >>worker...and male homosexuals have the highest rate of hepatitis
>> >>infection in the civilized world.
>>
>> > I'd like to see some statistics proving that. From a reliable source.
>>
>> He wont answer you. Or if he does, hell tell you to go look them up yourself.
>>
>> Then when you dont find ANY evidence to support his wild, paranoid, delusional,
>> insane claims, he will tell you that its because you didnt look hard enough.
> Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
I see you dont actually have any evidence.
Its too bad you arent actually a soldier (and never were)---you are an army
officer's wet dream. Brain turned off, reaction turned on, ready to believe
anything they spoonfeed you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: 8 Jun 2001 19:29:49 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stephen Cornell wrote:
>>
>> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > There are three types of homosexuals:
>> >
>> > > a) those who have AIDS
>> > > b) those who will get AIDS
>> > > c) those who will get die before they get a chance to get AIDS.
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
>>
>> > Yet something else aaron knows absolutely nothing about.
>> >
>> > Tell the class aaron, do you have any actual evidence to back up these
>> > psychotic claims of yours?
>>
>> No, be fair and give him credit where credit is due - Kulkis's
>> statement is almost logically true.
>>
>> Think about it: given a member of any group (homosexuals, republicans,
>> englishmen, whatever) and any property P (contracting AIDS, not having a
>> brain, being useless tossers) it is a logical trueism that they will
>> fall into one of the following three categories:
>>
>> a) they have in the past had P
>> b) they will at some point in the future have P
>> c) They will never have P
>>
>> Of course, Kulkis got this structure a bit wrong, because there is a
>> possibility that someone gets a _chance_ to catch AIDS, but not
>> actually _catch_ it.
> Which changes the validity of my statement...not at all.
Yet another thing that aaron knows exactly nothing about: linear aristolean
logic.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:26:31 -0500
"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> I already tried to answer that with my post further up the thread. I may
> try to clarify with an example:
> The GIMP is a good graphics manipulation program, especially for
> hobbyists. What is keeping it back for professional use is the lack of
> color correction/separation features. The GIMP developers can't
> incorporate those, as the pertinent algorithms are patented (for example
> Pantone). Nothing prevents a company from developing a color correction
> plugin for the GIMP and sell it, even if they sell it binary only.
> HOWEVER, if this company decides to sell the GIMP along with this plugin,
> and advertises the color correction abilities of their version of the
> GIMP as core functionality, they must GPL their plugin.
> This is exactly the way the GIMP works around the LZW patent. Legally in
> the US the GIMP can't be distributed with GIF manipulation abilities
> under the GPL, as the LZW patent would impose more restrictions on
> redistribution than the GPL, and this is forbidden under the GPL. So the
> GIF plugins are distributed seperately, from a server in Finland.
> Hope this clarifies it a bit,
I don't think this is true. Consider the case of KDE and QT. KDE was
distributed seperately from QT, and the end user compiled them together.
RMS still called KDE a violation of the GPL until TrollTech released QT
under the GPL license as well.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: 8 Jun 2001 19:31:49 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > "." wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > "." wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> > drsquare wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:29:33 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> >> >> >> ("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Will I? How am I going to find this?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >US Centers for Disease Control has the epidemiology of Hepatits
>> >> >> >> >> >very well documented.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> But we apparently can't trust this government agency to report
>> >> >> >> >> transmission methods of AIDS properly.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >And the basis for your claim is.....what, exactly
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This agency is probably full of conservative rightwing bigots. Like
>> >> >> >> you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Translation: I, dr.square, have been reduced to ad hominem attacks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Do you claim to *not* be a conservative right wing bigot?
>> >>
>> >> > Simple, I'm a libertarian.
>> >>
>> >> Ah, so am I. I have a feeling, however, that I am a libertarian in the
>> >> truest sense of the word; id almost call myself a jeffersonian democrat.
>> >>
>> >> > Right wingers, just like left-wingers, are socialists.
>> >>
>> >> > Since libertarianism is fundamentally opposed to ALL forms of socialism,
>> >> > then, for as long as I am a libertarian, I can NOT be a right winger.
>> >>
>> >> Ah, you are a MICHIGAN libertarian. Thats entirely different. Michigan
>> >> libertarians actually are right wing, conservative bigots.
>>
>> > Please document one socialist policy which I support.
>>
>> You are asking me to document your twisted, entirely incorrect definition of
>> right wing, conservative bigot.
> Wrong. EVERY right wing regime has been....one based on fascist principles.
> Fascism is a form of socialism, which is distinct from Communism (which is
> another form of socialism).
Yet another thing that aaron knows exactly nothing about---historical
chronology.
> Now, quit being an ignorant retard, and accusing free-market people of
> supporting socialism.
I never said that, you complete moron. I didnt even *imply* it.
>>
>> >>
>> >> I know. I know at least a dozen of them.
>> >>
>> >> If you were an actual libertarian, you would be concerned with the right
>> >> and the work of keeping your own back yard clean to your discression, and
>> >> you wouldnt give a shit about *anyone* elses.
>>
>> > The right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins.
>>
>> NO IT DOES NOT. You live in a consequenceless dreamworld, you closetted
>> faggot.
> I thought you liked fags.
> Now you're calling me one as an insult.
> Got contradiction?
Got a brain? It was a layered insult, calculated to strike exactly in your
soft, faggoty nutsack.
And apparantly it did, brainless as you are.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:32:02 -0500
"Jim Polaski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html
>
> Now if I'm the owner of a website and someone using M$ software comes
> along and alters my site, I should think my lawyer is going to be
> contacting someone about what unauthorized actions they have done. I
> want to think I' see a legal issue here.
If you consider that HTLM is a very weak page layout format to begin with,
you will realize that no two web browsers ever display a page exactly the
same, thus *EVERY* web browser alters it to some extent. It's possible for
your page to be included in other pages via frames and many other things.
This is the nature of the net. It's also not all that different from
Netscapes "What's related" function. The only difference is that the smart
tags appear inline (it doesn't change your actual page, just provides a way
to hover over words and get more information).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: 8 Jun 2001 19:37:40 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Laura M. Hagan" wrote:
>>
>> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > The right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins.
>> >
>> > The right to collect and trade deadly, communicable diseases ends
>> > where MY health begins.
>>
>> So, as I said before, Kulkis, you're in favor of women all becoming
>> lesbians? Since heterosexual sex transmits disease, after all, and
>> lesbian sex has the lowest disease transmission rate. Doesn't that
>> make sense?
> Monogomous heterosexuals have no such problems.
Neither do monogomous homosexuals. They do exist you know.
Also, most heterosexuals are *not* monogomous, and 20% of heterosexuals
engage in regular anal sex---which is exactly the most common form of
HIV transmission among male homosexuals---just like heterosexuals.
Since there are more heterosexuals engaged in regular anal sex than
there are HOMOSEXUALS AT LARGE, methinks your true enemy is yourself.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are a threat to heterosexuals
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:40:50 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Wrong. Any soldier who dies is a FAILURE.
Wrong, obviously.
>Decorated 6 times in theater.
Yeah, by the guy sitting behind you in the porno theater. Don't be
like Monica - wash those nasty stains out!
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:41:47 GMT
Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 07 Jun 2001
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 05 Jun 2001
>> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 28 May 2001
>> >> [...]
>> >> >> That is not a "Linux" problem. The DVD communitty will not allow
>open
>> >> >> source or free versions of the DVD drivers, and they wont produce
>> >> >> commercial drivers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >I know that, and that the reason I won't switch, I would say it is a
>> >Linux
>> >> >problem.
>> >>
>> >> Sounds more like your problem. "Linux" is an OS; the only problems it
>> >> has are technical glitches or bugs. As pointed out, the lack of DVD
>> >> support is neither.
>> >>
>> >Linux problem is the 'DVD community' doesn't want open source drivers or DVD
>> >decoding programs,
>>
>> What makes you say that?
>>
>Piracy of films, if everyone could look at the decoding software.
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha. If your logic were valid, video tape would be
non-existent these days. "Piracy" is a bogeyman; only a threat to
profitability for someone who doesn't have a valid business model.
>I don't
>remember the name of the DVD ripping program but 'DVD community' is taking
>the programmer to court over it.
The name of the program is DeCSS, IIRC. The decode algorithm you speak
of has been printed on T-shirts, though, at this point. I think you're
a bit behind the times.
>> >so I would say that a problem with Linux.
>>
>> Why? If they don't want DVD, then why would it be a problem that they
>> don't want DVD?
>>
>If there were open source decoding software, the pirates would have a field
>day, atleast that what the 'DVD community' thinks.
If piracy were anything but a bogeyman, the 'DVD community' would
already be gone and forgotten.
Personally, I am a member of the "DVD community" because I rent DVD's
rather than videos from Blockbuster, because they have director's
commentary, which I love.
But then, I am not a media corporation trying to profiteer on copyright,
like most of the 'DVD community'.
>> >Closed source
>> >program are available on the Mac and Windows.
>>
>> Uhuh, we knew that, what IS your point?
>>
>It called an example....
An example of what?
>> >> >Since the drivers would have to be closed source and distributed
>> >> >as binary only. Something need to be done about it or you will lose
>> >alot
>> >> >of new users, since just about every new computer comes with a DVD
>> >drive.
>> >>
>> >> BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
>> >>
>> >I guess you never go to Best Buy or any place that sells new computers,
>> >since last time I checked most of the computers had a DVD or CDRW or a
>combo
>> >drive.
>>
>> Hmmm.... Now it is "a DVD or CDRW". Hmmmm....
>
>No, it both in alot of cases,
The case under discussion is DVD. Only DVD. Get it? You said "DVD".
Had I known you meant "DVD or CDRW" I'd not have gotten into the
discussion. If you want to back-peddle, just say so, OK?
>but most computers let you choose either a
>DVD, CDRW or both.
I had presumed, in making the claim that you did, which I thought stupid
and ludicrous, you had some statistics that refute the fact that almost
everyone overwhelmingly, and correctly, chooses CDRW, given such a
choice. I guess I was wrong, given your back-pedlling.
>I know alot of computer have a DVD and CDRW installed
>when you buy them.
I know of NO computers that have a DVD and CDRW installed. EVER. I
have browsed stores, sites, and catalogues, and have never ONCE seen a
computer offered with both. Typically, it is an either/or decision,
though occasionally only one alternative is available.
>Just check out someplace that sells computers, Max...
>I guess Linux users never buy new computers, they just go dumpster driving.
What gave you the impression I was a Linux user?
I am a Linux *advocate*. I do not use Linux, no. Not at the moment,
anyway.
>> >Laugh if you want, but I would suggest getting you head out of the
>> >sand first...
>>
>> Make shit up based on your naive personal experience if you want to, but
>> I would suggest getting your head out of your ass and getting some real
>> statistics first, before saying stupid things like "most PCs come with
>> DVDs these days."
>>
>Just go into Best Buy or someother place that sells computers, most have
>DVDs, since DVDs are CHEAP, you can buy a Drive unit alone, about 50 bux,
>16x DVD speed, 40X CDRom, if I remember correctly. They about twice the
>price of a CDRom today. The companies are putting them in computers,
>today! I know my friend got a mid range P3 computer, under a $1000, it
>included a CDRW and DVD drive.
You still don't seem to understand. The discussion has nothing
whatsoever to do with CDRW. NOTHING. Get it?
>BTW I just got done advising a friend on new computer, I guess I have
>priced computer a Gateway, Dell, CDW and a bunch more. Like I said,
>just about all the computers come with a DVD or CDRW, its up to the
>customer. I don't remember any who just had CDRoms....
I don't remember you providing even a slight hint that you have any idea
at all how many times the DVD option is chosen. It is one thing to be
caught back-pedalling. It is something else to be caught back-pedalling
when your original point was just blowing smoke.
Don't come around here no more, OK? Unless you want a spanking.
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:41:58 GMT
Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 07 Jun 2001
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Quantum Leaper in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 05 Jun 2001
>> [...]
>> >Sorry Max, most new PCs have a DVD drives and/or CDRW.[...]
>>
>> What percentage are you calling "most", and why do you think you can
>> suddenly include CD writers? You're not trying to pretend you included
>> CD writers when you claimed that most new PCs have *DVDs*, are you?
>>
>Most company let the comsumer pick which drive they want,
Again, do you have something more specific than the word "most"? A
statistic or something, maybe?
>and from my
>friends, most pick BOTH drives,
I've never seen a system available with both a DVD and a CDRW. A DVD
and a CDROM, sure. Maybe you don't understand the difference?
>or the DVD since it CHEAPER then the CDRW.
Well, you can't write to a DVD, after all.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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