Linux-Advocacy Digest #112, Volume #35 Sun, 10 Jun 01 18:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (macman)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (macman)
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Nik Simpson")
Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again) (flatfish+++)
Re: Redhat video problems. (flatfish+++)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Michael Vester)
Re: Redhat video problems. ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Greg Cox)
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("Les Mikesell")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Greg Cox)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Rick)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Rick)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Rick)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Rick)
Re: which OS is better to learn for an entry level job? ("Matthew Gardiner")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (T. Max
Devlin)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (T. Max
Devlin)
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From: macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:20:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:43:37 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > >HTML is just not the right tool to use if you
> > >want that kind of control.
> >
> > What would you use then? A giant .gif?
>
> A PDF would be more efficient.
As long as links don't interest you, I guess.
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From: macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:21:49 GMT
In article <9g0bea$8a2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:29:26 +0200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> > >"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >> >> If the bookshop did that then yes.
> > >> >
> > >> >How about if the bookshop sells you the
> > >> >yellow highlighter, as well as the book?
> > >>
> > >> How about if the bookshop defaults to highlighting the book for you.
> > >
> > >But it doesn't, you've to ask it to.
> >
> > I don't think so.
>
> You don't seem to think at all.
>
> This feature will be disabled by default in the shipping builds.
>
>
Really? You know that how?
Microsoft hasn't even admitted that it was there. If Mossberg hadn't
found it, they'd probably deny it even existed.
I doubt very much that you have sufficient inside information to know
what's going to be in the final build.
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Reply-To: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:24:46 -0400
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:18:55 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >> > >> >> Yes, crashing out of X-Windows back to a console is pretty
routine.
> >> >
> >> > Of course, that is an outright lie.
> >>
> >> Come on. It's usually the first experience people have with X Windows.
> >> Watching X crash back to a console prompt that is.
> >
> >No, the FIRST experience is editing that rediculous config file and
> >trying to get your drivers and the clock rate and the resolution and
> >all the other parameters set correctly.
>
> Well, you must have done something severely wrong. Whenever I set X
> up, it installs and configures all by itself, no drivers needed.
> Windows on the other hand requires delving into the big pile of
> floppies looking for obscurely placed drivers just to get out of
> 640x480 mode.
>
Well you must still be using Windows 3.11 if you still are having such
problems. Either that or you've got hold of a copy of Win95 and are
complaining that it doesn't include drivers for hardware introduced last
year.
--
Nik Simpson
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From: flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:33:25 GMT
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 15:41:47 +0000, "Gary Hallock"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "flatfish+++"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> So pray tell me what is the secret?
>>
>> I have Mandrake 7.2 sitting right here and a nice Thinkpad 765L sitting
>> here as well.
>>
>> Mandrake installs fine.
>>
>> Now try and get X running.
>>
>> Drakconf mis-identifies the Cyber chipset as the incorrect one and when
>> X loads the screen just turns white.
>>
>> xf86config does exactly the same no matter what choice I take.
>>
>> So Gary, what do I do?
>>
>> BTW the Token Ring card (the one with the geen decal on it, not a Turbo
>> but the original 16/4) will NOT work with Linux.
>>
>> So Gary, what do I do now?
>>
>> Please be specific.
>
>I've always used Redhat. Since Redhat is becoming the standard Linux
>desktop within IBM, you're likely to get better support for token ring.
>Currently, all my new installs are Redhat 7.1 with the 2.4.3 kernel.
>You should also check out:
>
>http://www.linuxtr.net
>http://www.linux-laptop.net
>
>Gary
Will do, thank you for the advice.
flatfish+++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat video problems.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:35:36 GMT
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 15:58:36 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >RedHat uses "Xconfigurator" which does an OK job. You can use xf86config. You
>> >can download a readme and edit /etc/X11/XF86Config.
>>
>> Chances are the guy can't even see his display so how is he supposed
>> to accomplish that?
>
>Xconfigurator runs in the VGA text screen. He will be able to run it.
Download a readme is what I meant.
>As I have said many times, installation is not a good way to judge an OS. A
>system up, running, and configured is the only reasonable way to form an
>opinion.
If one can not get it installed the reviewing part becomes a moot
point :)
flatfish+++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 07:10:20 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > "Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm not too sure about the NYSE, but I think the NASDAQ, unfortunately, runs
> > > > on Windows.
> > > >
> > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > > >
> > > NASDAQ's web server is Windows. The computer that actually does the
> > > trading is a big Unisys mainframe. Microcomputer architecture just isn't
> > > capable. It's not a Windows verses Linux issue.
> >
> > About a year ago it was still Unisys. Last year they announced they were
> > moving to Win2K Datacenter. I'm not sure if they actually did it, or if
> > it's complete yet or not, but I would imagine we would've heard about it
> > if it went south.
> >
>
> Only the front end is running WinDog, the back end is not according to a
> Information Week article.
It is Unisys
http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/sn_indices_temp_disrupt_000218.stm
With 300,000 terminals involved in trading, how could it be losedos?
NASDAQ requires much more than what a toy operating system like losedos
can provide.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat video problems.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:46:56 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "flatfish+++"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tell that to my Thinkpad with a Trident 9385 chipset that keeps getting
> mis-identified buy every known distribution except RedHat 6.1 and some
> ancient version of SuSE (5.3 I think).
>
> All I get is a fade to white screen with all pixals turned on.
>
>
> flatfish+++
> "Why do they call it a flatfish?"
Hi flatty,
Tried that link yet I posted for you this week?
Mart
--
Gimme back my steel, gimme back my nerve
Gimme back my youth for the dead man's curve
For that icy feel when you start to swerve
John Hiatt - What Do We Do Now
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:53:30 GMT
In article <9fvfkm$4hp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, don'[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
> "Greg Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Hey, I survived 18 years there with -most- of my sanity intact, but I
> > was REALLY burned out...
>
> I'm sure you've heard and seen other companies treatment to programmers, how
> do they threat them relative to Microsoft?
> I'm asking because I'm interested, btw.
>
>
I haven't really heard that much about other company's treatment of
developers, and Microsoft is the only company I have worked at as a
developer, so all I can honestly talk about is what I observed there.
Microsoft is a high-energy company that's always pushing to ship the
next release. There used to be an underlying current of playing going
on most of the time but it seems to me that over the years that kind of
fell by the wayside and all that was left was the challenge to produce.
I still remember fondly the every-Friday evening golf tournament through
the halls of one of the buildings (Bldg 2?). People with offices in
that building would create obsticles for the golf balls in the hallways
the participants would have to maneuver around.
Anyway, the pay was so-so but in the end, the stock options more than
made up for that (I walked away with enough money to retire comfortably
at the ripe age of 45). The pressure is high and there are a lot of
people that just can't handle it over the long run. Five years seems to
be a major milestone. Unfortunately, I have the impression this level
of pressure to perform is pretty much standard throughout the industry.
I really love to program but there is no way I'd ever be willing to put
myself back in that pressure cooker ever again.
There is a management statement that "We only hire the very best
people." And it's really a true statement. Unfortunately, when it
comes time for reviews, management hires an outside company to do salary
surveys across the industry, and very carefully pays around the industry
average. At least they -say- they're paying the industry average. I
left just before the big stock market stumble but I understand Microsoft
has had to significantly raise salaries to offset the loss of value of
the stock options.
Departments at Microsoft tend to be fairly independent things and can
have their own subculture develop beneath the generic "Microsoft
culture". In other words, your mileage may vary, and my experiences may
or may not be the norm across the company.
So, in conclusion, I feel that Microsoft is a high energy, high pressure
company to work for, but, in the end, the financial rewards can be
significant (I know of many Microsoft alumni that have gone on to found
their own companies. I presume the seed money came from cashing out
their stock options.).
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:58:48 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9fv4j5$mt6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > Uncheck the "Enable write" in the FTP configuration.
> > > Set the permissions so IUSR_MachineName has read only access, too.
> > > (IUSR is the default anonymous connection, you might want to change
> that,
> > > though).
> > >
> > > Then share the FTP directory and give the customer people write
access.
> > >
> > > Is that good enough for you?
> >
> > I think that is the way it was originally set up (by someone who
> > understands NT's quirks better than I do) but then we needed to
> > allow one ftp user write access. Soon afterwards the internet
> > bandwidth filled both our T1's and then I found the directory
> > named PRN (how did they do that?) and the hidden video
> > clips under it. But, the anon user still wasn't supposed to
> > be able to write and I don't think the person with the password
> > to the writable account did it.
>
> You might not be able to delete the directory directly because there are
> checks in the UI for this, but you might want to try to log in as a user
> with write access to the FTP and try delete it from there.
> I don't understand why it would prevent you from deleting it.
>
> Check the permissions on the FTP's directory. If IUSR has write access,
then
> any anonymous person could've done that.
The drive has been reformatted, so I can't check anything at this
point. The reason I couldn't delete the directory named PRN is
that it is a magic device name and NT (or any other version of
windows) normally won't let you do any file operations to it
regardless of the rest of the path. No one should have been able
to create that directory name even if they did have write permission
and the anon ftp user shouldn't have had write permission in the
first place.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Greg Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:17:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> In article
> <QTyU6.72927$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Daniel
> Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > How about if the bookshop sells you the
> > yellow highlighter, as well as the book?
>
> How about if Infernosoft sold special DVD players with an AI module that
> recognized beer cans and cereal boxes in movies it played, and placed
> ads for Killer Beer and Poopsy Smacksies onto all of them? Mr. Kubrick,
> would you want your movies played on such a DVD player?
>
>
Actually, I just heard about a new technology becomming available that
will allow a TV network or station to substitute objects in the
background of a movie or program. For instance, that can of Coke on the
table can suddenly become a can of Pepsi...
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:44:26 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
> > > In any case, if you believe you need control
> > > of the exact appearance of the page, you
> > > should not be using HTML at all- it does
> > > not give you that control. Your page's
> > > appearance will depend heavily on the
> > > browser that renders it.
> >
> > It figures you would cchampoion micro$ofts changing the appearnce of
> > other people's pages.
>
> I like to take on the really easy ones. :D
>
> And *this* anti-MS argument is just
> to tempting to pass up.
>
> >Micro$of has no right to change the prsentation of
> > someone else's page. NONE.
>
> Does this mean IE is only allowed to
> display the source of the page, and not
> a rendered ('changed') version of it?
>
I'd call you a perfect idiot, but no one is perfect. You know perfectly
well this example has nothing to do with changing the display the author
has intended, and has nothig to do with addin navigation links that the
author neer intended.
> > > For instnace, if I use a text-only browser,
> > > all those pretty blue underlines will vanish.
> >
> > How does that excuse micro$oft's willfully changing the visual
> > presentation of someone els'se page?
>
> It is okay to degrade a page's apperance in the
> browser, but not okay to improve upon it?
>
You are too stupid to be alive.
> > > Vandalism! :D
> >
> > Look.. the grinning moron is back.
>
> Well, only he would call this vandalism,
> you know. :D
YOU are that grining idiot. I guess you are calling it vandalism.
--
Rick
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:45:57 -0400
Lance Togar wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > More micro$oft "customer service":
> >
> > http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html
> >
> > --
> > Rick
> ..
> There's a very simple answer to this and MS's other BS of late: DON'T BUY
> IT. There's no compelling reason to upgrade Win or Office 2k so... DON'T.
> What's so complicated about this?
> ..
> ..
Tell that to all the other dweebs of the world. And your "solution"
doesnt prevent m$ software from adding navigation links to your page,
even if you never buy from m$.
--
Rick
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:47:19 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Josh McKee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 22:35:55 -0400, "Lance Togar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> [snip]
> > I believe the arguement revolves around the fact that the web author
> > is no longer in complete control over how their web content is viewed.
> > One cannot merely avoid this issue by "not buying it" because it is
> > the site visitors and not the site owner who will need to "not buy
> > it".
>
> OTOH, the web author never was in complete
> control of this. No two web browsers are the
> same about how they render things, you know.
>
> HTML is just not the right tool to use if you
> want that kind of control.
What does that have to do with m$ inappropriately changing the display
and content of my pages?
--
Rick
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 17:49:03 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [snip]
> > > For instnace, if I use a text-only browser,
> > > all those pretty blue underlines will vanish.
> > >
> > > Vandalism! :D
> >
> > It's not the change in the appearance of the web site that people find
> > unacceptable, it's the change in its hyperlinked content.
>
> This feature does not do that. Despite what some
> articles are saying, these SmartTag things are not
> hyperlinks, not unless you think anything that
> involves and underline is a hyperlink.
>
Are you saying that if you click on these smart tag marks, they WONT
take to a page that wasnt intended by the autor of the page?
<snip>
--
Rick
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From: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which OS is better to learn for an entry level job?
Date: 11 Jun 2001 09:47:50 +1200
>>Remember, don't just learn Linux, first learn PURE UNIX, and Windows, then
>>move onto Linux. The bonus is, with learning pure UNIX, you can move your
>>skills from one vendor to another (say from SCO UnixWare to IRIX) and
>>experience no problems. Then, once you are confortable, then go into detail,
>>if you want, of that partiular vendors version of UNIX. Unix then leads
>>onto Linux, if you choose to take that direction. However, I have heard
that
>>Linux is good "training wheels" for those wanting to enter the pure UNIX
>>world. I prefer the first approach. Regarding Windows, yes, you will
need
>>to learn the internals of it, and yes, you will cringe, however, you are
>>more likely to get a job being a Windows admin, however, the trade off
is
>>that you will earn less money than a UNIX system admin. Latest newspaper,
>>Unix Senior Admin, 120K + bonuses vs. Windows Senior Admin, 65K.
>>
>>Matthew Gardiner
>>
>
>Windows System administers are generally the societies
>down-trodden types. I feel sorry for their sad little
>personalities. They always dress up in brightly covered
>clothing however and keep their heads high!
>
>What a sad little group of doomed people.
>
>--
>Charlie
>-------
Charlie, you also forgot include the fact that because they can use "Visual
Basic", that automatically makes them a programming genius. Also, you see
them drool at the site of Bill Gates and/or other tech person on cnet streaming
media. I on the other hand, unlike Windows admins, don't see computers as
the centre of my existance. Maybe these Windows admins should go out, and
find a life outside computers and realise how much of their lives they have
wasted...no..actually, thats good they are not out in the real world. Atleast
people can feel safe that their children aren't going to have Bill Gates's
disciples preaching the word of "word".
Matthew Gardiner
http://www.zfree.co.nz
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:08:16 GMT
Said Peter Köhlmann in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 10 Jun 2001
>T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>
>> It is a question of suitability. Perhaps theoretically a DVD is a
>> suitable replacement for a CD of either type. But in the real world,
>> one is not a good substitute for the other. Your original point,
>> concerning only DVDs, has already been entirely lost. You should admit
>> your mistake and move on.
>>
>What are you ranting about?
>A DVD is quite good as a replacement for a CD, as it is able to read
>the CD´s also. Have you ever by accident seen a SuSE 7? It consists
>of 7 CD´s and 1 DVD, which holds the contents of the 7 CD´s.
>Its just conveniant to pop in only the DVD and be done with it instead of
>shuffling the CD´s when you install.
>But who would expect TMax (who uses Windows) to know about that.
>For him it´s certainly sufficient to ramble about it out of ignorance.
Got any numbers? I'm glad to see you think that DVDs are common, but it
seems odd that this isn't the case. Maybe you aren't the ruler of all
reality after all?
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:08:17 GMT
Said green in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:10:38 +1000;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said green in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:32:24 +1000;
>> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> [...]
>> >> >The will, however, be able to install, configure and use Windows XP.
>> >>
>> >> ...and they will, indeed, curse it from the first moment on, while
>> >> remaining captive to monopoly crapware. They can re-install Windows
>XP;
>> >> in Linux, the most they'll have to learn is how to recompile a kernel,
>a
>> >> far less intrusive activity, from their point of view.
>> >
>> >shit, comparing compiling a kernel to installing windows xp. has it got
>> >easyer,
>> >is there a wisard that helps it along in 2.4.4 ?.
>>
>> You seem to have misunderstood the term 'intrusive'. It doesn't relate
>> to whether there is a 'wizard' or not.
>>
>> >more likly the arerage joe/jane computer user will pass it of to some
>> >relitive or
>> >friend to do for them. probably happens 80% of the time any way.
>>
>> Almost certainly, yes. The difference between this and Windows is the
>> 'local geek' for joe/jane can just telnet in and set it up remotely,
>> saving a trip to joe/janes house.
>>
>> Think about the term 'intrusive' for a few weeks, and consider what I
>> might mean by that. This isn't a point you're ever going to win.
>
>from their point of view intrusive into the workings of the computer. i.e.
>what type,
No, that's not all of it.
>my point was a windows install is far less intrusive when it comes to what
>hardware info the
>user needs to know to get a working system.
>
>ok nuf said and yes I can't win the argument on how you would / do use
>intrusive and how it applied to
>your comments :). bye.
You should have just done what I asked; I know what I'm doing, believe
it or not. Keep thinking about what 'intrusive' might mean, and then
come back and we'll talk about it.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:08:18 GMT
Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 14:17:42
>"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:10:38 +1000, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> ("green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>> >my point was a windows install is far less intrusive when it comes to what
>> >hardware info the
>> >user needs to know to get a working system.
>>
>> That would explain why in windows you need a video card driver to get
>> out of 640x480x4, whereas in Linux it goes up to the maximum
>> resolution/colour with no problems.
>
>That is, if your driver is present, which most of the time it's not.
^^^
Stupidity, or dishonesty?-----------------------------------------
>And only if the install program sets ther resolution for you, which,
>from my experience, it rarely does this.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Stupidity, or dishonesty?----
>Windows can always manage to get 640x480x8 no matter what card you've
>got, but X will either not start or give you 320x240x2 or x8 sometimes
>if it can't figure out your card.
Well, that's just plain mistaken, on both counts.
>BeOS had a similar problem where if it couldn't figure out your card,
>it would default to some strange resolution in black and white.
Kind of like the regularly recurring "safe mode" in Windows, huh?
>Why is it so difficult to get 640x480x8? Windows has always been
>able to do this regardless of card since Win95, I have yet to see
>an OS that can get this basic level without drivers.
Well, the "since Win95" might have something to do with it. There was
three years of Windows before that, and frankly getting any video to
work, even today, is more dicey than your obviously extremely limited
experience seems to indicate. Either that, or your just lying, again.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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