Linux-Advocacy Digest #187, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 09:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Sky King)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Chris Street)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Donn Miller)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Edward Rosten")
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (pip)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
("Edward Rosten")
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Edward Rosten")
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:29:24 +1200
"Stephen Cornell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > If it wasn't for the U.S., Adolf and
> > Hirohito would have wiped your country
> > off the face of the Earth.
>
> Right. And, if the Brits hadn't sat tight on their own against the
> Axis for two years, while the US stayed out of the conflict until the
> Japanese attacked them, then Europe would have been overrun by the
> Nazis. Do you have any idea of the pounding that Britain took, and
> the bravery required to hold a much stronger enemy at bay?
Brits were speared because Hitler changed his tactic from Britain to the
eastern front. Even without the US involvement, Germany would have
collapsed anyway due to a combination of economic, social and polical
problems. On several occasions the economic minister warned Hitler that he
could no longer continue the war longer than 5-10 years, or else Germany
would fall into dire financial problems. Hitler, however, believed, it would
be a short, sharp war. The Eastern Front was the turning for the Second
World War.
> > Why does everyone keep talking about how the
> > Soviets defeated the Nazis? That's utter
> > bullshit. The Soviets spent more time shooting
> > their own people for cowardess and treason than
> > they did killing Nazis.
>
> No-one is claiming that. What they're saying is that the Soviets
> managed to occupy a significant fraction of the Axis's resources, and
> this weakened the enemy.
The reason why originally, the Soviet Union hit the shit in the second world
war was because many of the top Soviet advisors were killed in Stalin's
"purges". However, as I have mention before, the Nazi advance was stopped
because they suffered the same problems Napoleon did 100 or so years prior.
> > The fact is, if Europe hadn't dragged us into
> > their little conflict, they would have been
> > overrun. They were in quite poor shape once
> > we got into the game. From that point, we
> > called the shots, and kicked 3rd Reich ass.
>
> You accuse others of being ignorant and arrogant, and yet you come out
> with this crap. You really have no clue.
>
> First, Europe did *not* drag you into the conflict - you got involved
> because you were attacked by the Japanese. Second, WWII was not won
> by any party alone, but by the *allies*. The US would never have won
> it on their own, and in particular if Britain hadn't stood fast then
> the war in Europe would have been over before the US decided it was in
> their interest to become involved.
The US NEEDED to go into the war, because if they didn't, the welfare plans
would have crippled the country with debt. The US, for 10 years was running
on credit, and obviously, it couldn't continue at either the same rate or
intensity further into the future.
> > But too many Euros have far too much ego
> > to admit that someone else actually saved
> > their asses.
>
> No, most `Euros' are very well aware of the major role played by the
> US in rescuing us in WWII. What pisses us off is the revisionist
> picture you paint that somehow you did it all yourselves.
>
> The infuriating thing about your style of American patriotism is the
> dogma that what makes America great is the American Way. The main
> reason why the US enjoys such prosperity is that you have a huge land
> mass with a wealth of natural resources, thousands of miles away from
> any serious aggressor.
>
> You believe you have a moral superiority that entitles you to preach
> to the rest of the world. You pretend - some of you even believe -
> that your military interventions are for the sake of idealism, whereas
> your foreign policy is dictated by self interest, just like every
> other country. You expect unconditional gratitude when your actions
> benefit us, and tell us to get stuffed when they don't - and you feel
> free to tear up international agreements whenever it suits you.
You've summed up what the rest of the world thinks of the US in three
paragraphs. They may talk about freedom, but at least in New Zealand,
people weren't forced to go to war, either in the First, Second, Vietnam or
Korean war. The First and Second world war, New Zealand sent the most
soldiers per-capita, they went volunterily! I would be interested to see how
many US people would have gone to Vietnam if there was no conscription.
> > Really? How long have you lived in the U.S. yourself?
> >
> > Tell me, how is it that you can know about every
> > single person here, what they think, and how they
> > feel... you must be Jesus Christ returned.
>
> Can't speak for Matthew, but I lived for a year in Canada, with
> frequent trips to the US. The level of ignorance and
> small-mindedness, even among the educated classes, was frankly
> appalling. Even Britain does better in this respect.
>
> Finally: don't get me wrong - I don't hate Americans or the US. There
> are many things about the US and about Americans that I admire. It's
> just absurd when Americans accuse Europeans of being clueless about
> the rest of the world.
I actually live in New Zealand. In the past I have lived in Australia for 3
years, and the US for a year. I wouldn't want to stay another year in the
US. Its bloody expensive trying to get descent food, like REAL cheese and
REAL milk, all having to be imported from Australia/New Zealand and Europe.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions:
Seek and ye shall find
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:38:34 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "drsquare"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:12:05 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>Jon Johansan wrote:
>>>
>>> lesse... $1000 for hard copy of Encyclopedia that is never updated and
>>> contains no "live" data or links.
>>> $damn-near-free for CD ROM Encyclopedia that is live and can be
>>> updated
>>> and contains more diverse types of information?
>>>
>>> there is a decision to be made here?
>>
>>No. The hard copy is far superior, if you can afford it.
>
> No, it's not.
It is in some ways. Print is much easier to read than a
computer screen due having a much higher resoulution and contrast. Also,
the print quailty from an expensive book is liable to be much higher than
the print quality you could get out of any printer you are likely to be
able to afford / have room for.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Sky King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:40:06 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:52:43 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >Ed Cogburn wrote:
>
> >> > In North America, it seems more homosexuals get it. Whether the
> >> > gap will close or not is another issue.
> >>
> >> Last I heard its progress through the gay community has slowed, but its
> >> advancing among the heterosexual youth,
> >
> >That's a rumor being spread by.... homosexual activists
>
> The same way all your rumour are spread by paranoid right-wing nuts
> like yourself.
>
Except we "right wing nuts" have the stats to back us up. Do you?
sky
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Street)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:34:10 GMT
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:03:54 -0700, "Stephen S. Edwards II"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Rotten168" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Edward Rosten wrote:
>> >
>> > >> > Unlike your country, we Americans do not feel the need to have our
>> > >> > government take the majority of our income and then dole it back
>out
>> > >> > to us as seen fit.
>> > >>
>> > >> maximum of 40% is not a majority.
>> > >
>> > > Ahhh... that's 40% of your paycheck only. Now factor in sales tax and
>> > > specifically the outrageous petro tax and it becomes a majority of
>your
>> > > paycheck going to the government.
>> >
>> > There is nothing outrageous about the petrol tax. We use far too much
>> > petrol in this country. As for your low petrol tax, where has it got
>you,
>> > oh yeah, the worlds biggest polluter. Great.
>>
>> Nothing outrageous, weren't there like huge riots over there a few
>> months back?
>>
>> > >> > Most all medical programs in Eurpoe are a complete disaster. The
>> > >> > NHS in the UK should be disbanded immediately.
>> > >>
>> > >> Well, I'm glad you don't live here, because I do not want to see the
>> > >> NHS disappearing any time. I think it is a quite amazing service and
>> > >> something we should be proud of.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > You may like the NHS but the potential pool of doctors in the UK is
>> > > drying up fast due to poor pay, outdated equipment, and poor service.
>I
>> > > know for a fact that the NHS just recently was denying patients any
>> > > dental work which involved braces. Cancer treatment through the NHS
>is
>> > > a foolish gamble at best and most UK citizens opt to pay for the
>> > > treatment in another country because of the limited choices of
>treatment
>> > > provided by the NHS.
>> > >
>> > > The NHS provides the same level of medical service that a welfare
>> > > recepient in the US recieves.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> > Nowhere in the world does an individual have a greater chance of
>> > >> > success building a small business than in the USA. No other nation
>> > >> > on Earth puts more money into research and development than the
>USA.
>> > >>
>> > >> Do you have any evidence to back this up, or are you just spouting?
>> > >
>> > > Errrr.. yeah... I have a lot of evidence of this - I offer as evidence
>> > > the United States of America (more venture capital, more R&D dollars,
>> > > and the least amount of red tape and government intrusion for starting
>a
>> > > business than anywhere in the world). in other words, the USA *is*
>the
>> > > evidence!
>> >
>> > You have provided no evidence apart from your rants.
>>
>> You have provided ZERO evidence for your worthless assertions.
>>
>> > >> > Without the USA, mother Russia would have gobbled up most all of
>> > >> > Europe long ago.
>> > >>
>> > >> Without mother Russia, the Nazia would have gobbled up the "land of
>the
>> > >> free" long ago.
>> > >
>> > > I must have missed that novel piece of history.
>> >
>> > Think about it. If the communists didn't
>> > sacrifice 20 million people against the Nazis and stop them dead on the
>> > eastern front, the Nazis would have overrun Europe with out much
>problem.
>> > You guys would have been next in the firing line. And there is a
>> > reasonable chance that the US would have been defeated by the Nazis, but
>> > we will never know that. Just thionk, you might owe all of your lives
>tio
>> > the commies.
>>
>> And you owe all of your lives to us. Think about that.
>>
>> Do you really think a country about the size of Texas could defeat a
>> country with probably more than 10 times it's population and even bigger
>> sizewise? C'mon man, grow a brain.
>>
>> We should've let the Nazis stoot-slap your asses, it would've shut you
>> up.
>
>More ideally, we should've listened more carefully
>to Patton, and just taken the USSR when we had the
>chance.
>
1. Never invade Russia. It's too big. You have problems with the
winter and the supply lines.
2. Never fight on two fronts at once
Hitler screwed up on both fronts and lost. Patton would have done the
same. The only thing that stopped Germany from nailing all of Europe
and leaving the USA with a large problem was Britain - and the only
thing that saved us was the English Channel and the RAF. Great Britain
hasn't been invaded since 1066 - a stretch of water is very useful!
79.84% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
The other 42% are made up later on.
In Warwick - looking at flat fields and that includes the castle.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance...
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:42:50 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "drsquare"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:56:59 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Rotten168 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>
>>> >> Written from scratch by a Finn...
>>> >
>>> >Based on an American OS.
>>>
>>> For use on something derived from European technology.
>>
>>Yet another worthless assertion with ZERO evidence to back it up.
>
> I have plenty of evidence. You might find it worth investing in a
> history book.
I don't think it will help. I think this guy was asleep in all of his
history lessons. You'd have to start from *scratch* to explain anything
to him.
-Ed
--
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: 13 Jun 2001 07:35:14 -0500
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> C++ programs do not need libstdc++ unless you use funcions in it. Using C++
> over C, even with mainly C like syntax has the advantage of beinh able to
> declare variables anywhere in a function. C sucks at that, variables must be
> defined at the top. Plus there is some good type checking which helps. I would
> say why bother with C at all?
Hmmm. The C99 standard allows you to declare variables anywhere in a
block. For example, in C99 you can declare variables "on the fly"
inside a for or while loop just like in C++. Only trouble with this
is, this functionality is already implemented in g++, and it may be a
while before we see a completely C99-compliant gcc. Anyone know if
gcc 3.0 is C99 compliant yet? Probably will be a while... But I
will agree that I like to put my variables anywhere I want, although
declaring them at the beginning of a block allows to reader to see
what variables are being used in the block.
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:31:29 +0100
drsquare wrote:
> Are you TAKING the piss??? All indents should be like THIS:
>
> char *function(char *string) {
> char *buffer = malloc(strlen(string)*2+1);
> char *ptr = buffer;
> char current;
> do {
> switch (current = *string) {
> case '@':
> case '\'':
> *ptr++ = '@';
> default:
> *ptr++ = *string++;
> }
> } while (current);
> return realloc(buffer, ptr-buffer);
> }
Either you're Zippy the Clown or you've never tried coding on
(legal) medication.
Donal.
--
"Windows is a car with square wheels (architecture) and a huge engine (hype,
etc.), capable of of making the car move despite the square wheels. Linux
is a car with round wheels but a small engine, capable of making the car go
despite the small engine." -- John Latham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:44:40 +1200
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/2284/
has some blooming good British to American words.
New Zealand Slang:
http://nz.com/NZ/Culture/NZDic.html
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
nobody hears your scream's
Sepo is a cockney term for yank,
however, in New Zealand and Australia
a yank is a wank, well, same thing ;)
For AOL and earthlink lusers asking stupid questions:
Seek and ye shall find
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:47:31 +0100
> days, puritanism seems to be trumping freedom. No country treats smokers
>
> (or indeed tobacco companies) with such petty vindictiveness as the
> United
I think that is a good thing. A single smoker can affect many nonsmokers
around himself. it really is a very deply unpleasant thing to put up with
if your not a smoker. Basically if you're sensitive to cigarette smoke
you are completely prevented from going to places where people are free
to smoke.
> States. As for safety, America seems to have convinced itself that the
> world is an astonishingly dangerous place, and that the only way to keep
> these dangers at bay is to regulate even the most trivial bits of
> behaviour. Hence the need to replace standard playground equipment with
> "safer" alternatives, such as one-person see-saws and transparent tubes
> to
>
> crawl through. And where else would photocopier toner come in packets
> that
> warn you not to eat the contents?
Ha ha! LOL! We always get packets full of "Sillica Gel Do Not Eat". Well,
that's what I assume its called because that's always written on the
packets :-)
-Ed
--
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From: pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:51:22 +0100
Donn Miller wrote:
>If your main goal is to write a large software
> projcet that is going to get moved around to a bunch of differet
> platforms, then Java is actually useful.
IMHO the usefulness of Java goes far beyond this. Java is very useful
simply as a general programming language. Also people forget that time
and time again benchmarks show that server-side Java is nearing C and
C++ native speeds. Also the GUI (Swing) is improving in leaps and bounds
in the performance area. Most people forget that there are actually
tools to pre-compile java so that you can use/deploy it in much the same
way as a normal program. While no language is perfect, for me, Java is a
excellent blend which makes for a productive general language. Where it
fails to deliver - C takes the supportive role. The good thing about
Java is as Perl - it has a LOT of pre-written and tested
code/objects/beans/frameworks/components (call them what you like) and a
large core API which you can use without re-inventing the wheel. Also
there are very good cross platform development environments to enable
you to really get stuff done easily. Much of what has been said in the
past about Java, JVM's and other Java technologies is rubbish and out of
date now (Like comapring Linux 1.0 to Linux 2.0). In a few short years,
Java has developed into a viable C++ competitor and it will still take
time for this technology to mature to the same levels. There are some
interesting papers that I've read about the theoretical difference
between statically complied languages verses p-code just in time
compilation that can optimise to the running program. This is a very
interesting area and we shall have to see what develops. But Java is
here NOW and is useful NOW. Get coding, enjoy, happy hacking!
Therefore I would say that portability, while a great feature, should
not be the only criteria for assessing whether to use Java technology.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:50:43 +0100
> Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are no
> more cultured than the Americans.
The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long way
to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path at the
head of the world?
-Ed
--
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.aol-sucks,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:52:51 +0100
Pinocchio Poppins wrote:
> "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It refers (in this instance; sorry about being ambiguous) to the
>> addressable space.
>
> Virtual addressable space or physical addressable space?
Virtual (I think; I've got a cold at the moment, so I feel a little
bit hazy about precise details.)
I've got processes that build multi-gigabyte hash tables with no nice
locality of reference. OK, so the problem is nasty and very large
(property checking of asynchronous microprocessor designs. Basically
its a kind of graph traversal algorithm where the cost of going along
an edge is very large and the average out-degree of the nodes is
unpleasantly big too.) It's certainly larger than the sorts of tasks
most people do. We're working on a highly parallel version whose
memory pattern is probably going to be even worse...
> I have. My box is part of the largest supercomputer in the world.
> http://www.distributed.net/
What a nice, easily-partitioned problem that is. Why not try for
something a bit jucier? >:^)
>> (OK, maybe not. The IRIX64 compilers and libraries are not nice.)
>
> So use the GNU compiler, if it supports that architecture.
I've no idea if the latest versions of the compiler support the
architecture, but guess what, that machine and this one too don't have
the latest version of gcc (I don't administer them so don't blame me!)
And I'd still be stuck with IRIX64 libraries. :^(
Donal.
--
"Windows is a car with square wheels (architecture) and a huge engine (hype,
etc.), capable of of making the car move despite the square wheels. Linux
is a car with round wheels but a small engine, capable of making the car go
despite the small engine." -- John Latham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:02:19 +0100
> My point is proven: the majority of YOUR paycheck goes to YOUR
> government.
> In America, Americans work for themselves, not the government. The
> fact
> that the majority of your paycheck is taken from you by your own
> government reveals a population that feels themselves inadequate to
> solve their own problems on an individual level, ie, sheep.
Yet we have free (ish) education and a good free national health service.
That is something I like and want. I want my tax to go to that and I
voth to support it. Somehow you think that is wrong that a democratically
elected gouvernment should do what the people want.
> And yes, your petro tax IS outrageous! It's called robbery here in the
> states and has been known to cause historical revolutions.
It's not outrageous. We use too much petrol.
>> You have provided no evidence apart from your rants.
>>
>
> Take a look at the USA GDP, the evidence will come into focus for you.
First, you need to look at GDP per head of population. Secondly that
relates very loosley to your much more secific assdertions 9like the one
about red tape). So far yu have provided no more evidence than a fwe
pathetic rants.
>> >> > Without the USA, mother Russia would have gobbled up most all of
>> >> > Europe long ago.
>> >>
>> >> Without mother Russia, the Nazia would have gobbled up the "land of
>> >> the free" long ago.
>> >
>> > I must have missed that novel piece of history.
>>
>> Think about it. If the communists didn't sacrifice 20 million people
>> against the Nazis and stop them dead on the eastern front, the Nazis
>> would have overrun Europe with out much problem. You guys would have
>> been next in the firing line. And there is a reasonable chance that the
>> US would have been defeated by the Nazis, but we will never know that.
>> Just thionk, you might owe all of your lives tio the commies.
>
>
> Maybe I missed that part where you discuss the nazis having to defend
> themselves against the American H-bomb.
You think that the US had H-Bombs in WW2. Hahahahahah! LOL!!!!!
Go and get a basic grasp of history then come back, please.
Also mabey you missed the part where the Nazis have a very active nuclear
program and missed getting a bomb bu a small miscalculation. You are also
aware, no doubt, that the Nazis were perfectly capable of delivering a
nuclear payload over quite a large radius (had they had one to deliver)
without the need for any air support since they hd missile technonlogy
meny years in advance of anyone else.
> Once the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor there was no way on Earth that
> the Americans were going to be defeated by anyone. The entire US
> economy shifted to production of tanks, airplanes, and ships.
Do you have any evidence to show that the US would not have been defeated
by the Nazis if the USSR hadn't put a big drain on their resources?
I'm suggestion a possibility. You are suggestion facts based on nothing
more than nationalistic pride.
> Your coulda, shoulda, woulda, doesn't fly.
Read some history about the war. You are clearly very ignorant and know
nothing about it.
Mabey when you have read a history book or two, you will be able to make
a sensible, reasoned discussion.
-Ed
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