Linux-Advocacy Digest #268, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 15:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Rick)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Macman)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Rick)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Macman)
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Dan)
Re: More microsoft innovation (Dan)
Re: Will MS get away with this one? (Rick)
Re: Linux freindly ISPs? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) ("Chad Myers")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Craig Gullixson)
Re: Will MS get away with this one? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...) ("Chad Myers")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Chad
Myers")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (Macman)
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush.limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:12:17 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Other than the coffins...
> > > >
> > > > And the Gay-"rights" activists always running around demanding
> > > > MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE AIDS research
> > > >
> > > > If Gays aren't the overwhelming victims of AIDS, then why is
> > > > it an issue for gay activists?
> > > >
> > > > Hmmmmmmmm?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, in New Zealand I hear the gay community saying they would rather
> > > promote more prevention, rather than the ambulance at the bottom of the
> > > cliff senario. Maybe instead of cure, prevention would be a better way
> > > of using the resources.
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner
> >
> > If I recall right, San Francisco was notorious for gay bathhouses that
> > ran all night.
> > When aids became a problem, most of the bathhouses shutdown. I suspect
>
> Ironically, it was RONALD REAGAN who was pushing for them to be
> shut down....and the gay community later accused him of "not
> doing anything" about AIDS.
>
Regan DIDNT do anything about AIDS. He was anti0homosexual. He he closed
bathhouses, it had NOTHING to do with AIDS prevention.
> Left wingers are all about hypocrisy..
>
As opposed to you, all about ignorance and bigotry.
> > that this helped in reducing the spread of aids some. Then public
> > education on tv started via commercials, but the aids has gotten into
> > every sector of life its starting to blur the lines. Africa, at least
> > what we've been spoon fed on the news, is suffering heavily from aids.
> > Not exactly sure what their real problem is over there. The news is
> > sort of vague about it.
>
> I'm willing to bet that a LOT more of the men who get it are
> picking it up through homosexual contact than are willing to
> admit it.
>
You apparently do NOT have a clue about the AIDS pandemic. Look at the
numbers. how can there be a LOT more?
<large obnoxious sig snipped>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:12:39 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 23:03:36 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> >
>> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote
>> > on Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:58:43 -0700
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > >The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
[snip to address this point]
>> > >> [D] The biggest user (dare I say waster?) of energy in the world.
>> > >> 6% of the population consumes half of the energy. We're getting
>> > >> better, and our technology may well pull our collective rears
>> > >> out of the fire, but it's not something to be proud of.
>> > >> We also backed out of the Kyoto accord. While there may have been
>> > >> good reasons to do so (it's not clear to me personally), it's
>> > >> not going to help our reputation any.
An interesting view of this situation -- literally -- can be
had at
http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/viewrecord?8086
[snip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random picture here
EAC code #191 0d:04h:37m actually running Linux.
Most likely, no neutrinos were found during this message.
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:13:51 -0400
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Macman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > You, as a user, have certain rights under the fair use doctrine.
> > Presumably, looking at the text only, or changing fonts, or similar
> > things would fall under fair use.
> >
> > Microsoft, as a third party, does not have the same rights. They do have
> > the rights to fair use, but what they're doing would almost certainly
> > not fall under that doctrine.
> >
> > Your analogy stinks.
>
> Don't I, as the user, have a right to *want* those smart tags?
You do not have the right to change my intellectual property, unless I
grant you that right.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:14:03 +0200
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9gdcm3$e1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Are you accusing Linus Torvalds of bribing netcraft to skew results?
>
> You realize he does actually read this newsgroup now and then, dont you?
Linus Kendall does seem to be reading this newsgroup every now & then, yes.
But I failed to find a post from Linus Torvalds on *.advocacy group after
Jully, 2000.
And that was a post talking about how he loves Clippy. And was cross posted,
as well.
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:19:18 -0400
Dan wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Becasuse I want to control the links on my page MY PAGE. The page -I
> > wrote-. I dont want micro$oft deciding where peole should go from my
> > page.
>
> Why? Do you want to control the fonts on YOUR PAGE? The colors? The
> graphics? The sounds? The videos? The regular hyperlinks?
>
> I can change/turn off all of these just as easily. Why aren't you
> complaining about these?
>
> Dan
If I wanted links to send people to differnt places in my page, I would
provide them. IF I dont, I dont want some third party sending people to
places I have no control over.
I dont control the fonts on my page, within the limits of HTML. You can
change the font family, perhaps, but generally not the sizing or
placement. You can turn graphics on and off, but not change them. This
little ploy of micro$oft's is nothing more than changing other people's
intellectual property, and the ability to start sending omore and more
people to more and more micro$oft approved sites.
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 13:22:15 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >*I* changed the appearance on *my*
> >computer. I can also turn off graphics, sounds, videos, change fonts
> >and sizes, background colors, etc.
> >
> >Why is this any different?
>
> You're not adding links to pages before serving them to someone else.
It's *amazing* how much misinformation there already is about this.
It does NOT "add links to pages before serving them to someone
else"!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just an option for *my* machine. Someone looking at the same page
using another browser will not see anything different.
This is not a big deal folks. It's handy, unobtrusive and easily
switched off.
I wish I could say the same about certain aspects of OS X!
Dan
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From: Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:21:55 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You, as a user, have certain rights under the fair use doctrine.
> > Presumably, looking at the text only, or changing fonts, or similar
> > things would fall under fair use.
> >
> > Microsoft, as a third party, does not have the same rights. They do have
> > the rights to fair use, but what they're doing would almost certainly
> > not fall under that doctrine.
>
> I am still the user. Microsoft has not changed anything. Your page
> as it exists on your server is unchanged. There is just a new option
> on *my* computer.
>
> The analogy is spot on.
Only if you don't understand logic.
In your example, only two parties are involved. The web page developer
and the user. The user has the right to change the way they view the web
page. Even there, I doubt if adding new links would fall under fair use,
but let's pretend that it does.
In the Smart Tags situation, a third party (Microsoft) changes the way
you, the user, view the work of the author. By doing so, they are
infringing on the copyrights of the author.
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:24:26 -0400
Dan wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Sandman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Surely you see the difference in a browser implementation where you build
> > in the function of setting colors and fonts and changing the content.
> > Netscape has this "What's related", it's basicvally the same thing as NS is
> > pulling, but it's -awa- from the webpage. Changing colors and fonts are for
> > some a neccesity in order to read your page. Autodetecting words and
> > linking them to MS sites falls into the "bad sport" arena, and they should
> > have made a different implementation of that idea.
>
> I think you still don't understand what the Smart Tags do.
>
> The "content" of a page is not changed.
The page IS changed. If a link, that I did not write, is inserted into a
page that I wrote and served, my page has been changed without my
permission.
> And it's not just "MS sites" -
.. not "just".. not now, but there a a LOT now.Oh, do you thnk many
people will b shuttled to MSN this way? DUH.
> you can go directly to the home page of the company in question. The
> other info - "Company News", "Company Report", "Stock Quote" does take
> you to related news on MSN, but so what? It has to go somewhere.
> Would you feel better if it went to Yahoo? Or Apple (it they had a
> news page)? If I want an instant stock quote it doesn't make any
> difference to me where it comes from
>
> Also, it's OFF by default. It must be turned ON first.
>
>From what I wrote, in test versions now it is on bu default, and will be
off by default when shipping. micro$oft has lied before. (What an
understatent.)
> It's a nice feature that many people will find useful.
micro$oft will find it much more useful.
> Those that
> don't can turn it back OFF (the default).
IF it can be turned off in the future.
> It's not the big deal some
> folks here seem to think it is.
>
> Dan
Well, it's a big deal to me.
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From: Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:23:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > > Microsoft isn't changing anything. *I* changed the appearance on *my*
> > > computer. I can also turn off graphics, sounds, videos, change fonts
> > > and sizes, background colors, etc.
> >
> > You as the user have the right to do that under fair use doctrine.
> >
> > Microsoft does not have the right to do that for millions of users.
>
> Again Joe, Microsoft didn't do anything. *I* did by turning on the
> feature. Just as *I* can "change your page" by changing fonts, colors,
> turning off graphics, sounds, etc. There is no difference.
Go read up on Fair Use.
You as the user have different rights than a third party would.
Furthmore, Microsoft most certainly _did_ make a change. Copyright law
doesn't care whether you turned the feature on or not. The fact that it
exists at all is a violation of the author's copyright.
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 15 Jun 2001 13:24:13 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 Jun 2001 08:27:09 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> > It's not hyper links, it has a distinctly different look.
> >> > It's obvious that it's not the page author that put it there.
> >> > You hover the mouse over a word with a wavy line underneath, and it pop
> >> > a
> >> > little graphic, that lets you do stuff about it.
> >> > Frex, CompaQ, you get to go to the comapny's site, view stock
> >> > information,
> >> > read press releases, etc.
> >>
> >> Who put the wavy line in the page?
> >> If you put wavy lines in my page you violate my copyright and may be
> >> guilty of vandalism.
> >
> >No way. I'm free to change fonts, eliminate graphics, turn off
> >cookies, etc.
>
> Are you free to intercept pages that other people are viewing and
> stick in links to rival sites?
THAT'S NOT WHAT SMART TAGS DO!!!!!!!!!! Yes that was shouting!
It's strictly local to the machine viewing the page. The page on the
server IS NOT CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan
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From: Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: 15 Jun 2001 13:27:15 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Why? Do you want to control the fonts on YOUR PAGE? The colors? The
> >graphics? The sounds? The videos? The regular hyperlinks?
> >
> >I can change/turn off all of these just as easily. Why aren't you
> >complaining about these?
>
> Because you're not intercepting pages, inserting your own links, then
> sending them off to millions of users.
Neither do Smart Tags. You really should understand this before
deciding that's it's evil.
I have Windows XP here. It includes IE 6 with the Smart Tags feature.
I've used it. I like it. It doesn't affect "millions of users". It
doesn't "intercept" anything. It's just another local viewing option,
like changing fonts, or colors, or turing off sounds, graphics, videos,
etc.
Dan
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:31:31 -0400
Peter Hayes wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:40:30 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Said Form@C in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:09:58 GMT;
> > >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >> That is impossible. Apple makes hardware; you can't be predatory in a
> > >> software market if you are only making money selling hardware. Apple
> > >> has always had a great balance between compatibility and proprietary
> > >> value-add, I think.
> > >>
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >Isn't it suprising how quickly Apple supporters (in particular) have
> > >forgotten Apples past "dirty tricks"?
> > >
> > >Remember the hard-sector disks that Apple kept using for years after
> > >everyone else (almost) had ditched them?
> >
> > No, I don't. When was that?
>
> Instead of identifying sectors in software as happens when you format a
> floppy, Apple's hard sectored disks had a series of holes, generally 16 of
> them, to identify the sectors. Wozniak did it that way because he didn't
> have the cash for disk controller hardware.
>
Are you high?
I have never seen an Apple floppy with 16 holes. And Wozniak didnt
design his drive controlle card until Apple had already incorporated.
Markula was already there too. His design was described as another
engineering work of art.
> <...>
>
> > Apple has always had a great balance between compatibility and
> > proprietary value-add, I think.
>
> Doesn't matter how many times you say it Max, it doesn't make it true.
>
> Apple have shafted just as many people as Microsoft, the only difference
> being that Apple's victims were the little guy and Microsoft took on the big
> boys.
>
> Peter
How has Apple shafted as many as micro$oft. Just by sgeer size, m$ HAS
to have shafted more. After all, everyone that uses an m$ OS is getting
a big one from Gates.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux freindly ISPs?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:39:44 +0100
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> Hi Guys!
>
> Question for the UK linux users here.
>
> Which dialup ISPs are Linux friendly, and which one do you think is the
> best?
>
> I'm moving in to a flat soon and since I have a Linux box, I need a Linux
> friendly ISP, also, cable is not an option.
>
> Also can anyone also reccomend a good external modem for Linux? I don't
> want an internal one since they're harder to swap computers with.
>
> I know this group well enought to know that i'll get some pretty solid
> advice, and I'd also kindly ask the wintrolls to go away.
>
> If necessary, I can get hold of a Windows box temporarily if I need that
> to register.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Ed
>
> --
> (You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
>
> /d{def}def/f{/Times-Roman findfont s scalefont setfont}d/s{10}d/r{roll}d f 5 -1
> r 230 350 moveto 0 1 179{2 1 r dup show 2 1 r 88 rotate 4 mul 0 rmoveto}for/s 15
> d f pop 240 420 moveto 0 1 3 {4 2 1 r sub -1 r show}for showpage
AFAIK you can use pretty much any (Linux supports PPP, ISPs use PPP). I
use freeserve.
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:41:39 -0500
"Thaddius Maximus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> > > "Republican government: One in which the powers of sovereignty are
> > > vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly,
> > > or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers
> > > are specially delegated."
> > >
> > > "Democracy: That form of government in which the sovereign power resides
> > > in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or
> > > indirectly through a system of representation."
> >
> > If you look at both of those carefully, the US fits under the description
> > of a representative democracy and republic. Why can't something be both?
> > Hint: it can.
> >
> > -Ed
> >
>
>
> In a "representative democracy" the people have sovereign power through
> representatives. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE IN THE USA!!! Seesh...
How so, or how not so?
-c
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Gullixson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:32:58 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Christopher L. Estep wrote:
[snip]
> Sandia has asked Microsoft to port XP Datacenter Server to their
> supercomputers.
>
I'm going to have to trade in my hip boots for chest waders ...
_____________________________________________
Craig A. Gullixson
Senior Research Associate INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
National Solar Observatory/Sac. Peak PHONE: (505) 434-7065
Sunspot, NM 88349 USA FAX: (505) 434-7029
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:41:00 -0500
"Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Instead of identifying sectors in software as happens when you format a
> floppy, Apple's hard sectored disks had a series of holes, generally 16 of
> them, to identify the sectors. Wozniak did it that way because he didn't
> have the cash for disk controller hardware.
Not true. Actually, the first Disk drivers had 13 sectors, not 16. It did
have a single hole in the ring to signify track 0, but all other sectors
were calculated. This was called a "soft sectored" disk, while the type you
describe was called a "hard sectored" disk.
Wozniak is quoted as saying "If i'd known anything about how disk drives
were supposed to be made, the Apples drive wouldn't have been half as good".
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:47:27 -0500
"Thaddius Maximus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> > >> > The term "representative democracy" was devised by the democratic
> > >> > party and the tabloid press. Repeat an error often enough and long
> > >> > enough and people will start to believe in the big lie.
> > >>
> > >> BS. It is a description of a system where a buncha of representatives
> > >> are elected (democratically) to run the country.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Give it a rest Ed. The fact that the people of the US choose
> > > representatives is not indicative of a "representative democracy." For
> > > the US to be a
> > > "representative democracy" the elected representatives would have to
> > > consult the people on each and every matter and cast their vote
> > > accordingly. This is clearly NOT the case in the US.
> >
> > That's not a representative democracy, that is a democracy, period.
> >
> >
> > > In a "representative democracy" sovereign power resides in and is
> > > exercised by the whole body of free citizens through represenatives.
> > > This is clearly NOT the case in the US.
> >
> > No, the representatives are elected democratically. They the npass laws
> > without further referendum.
> >
> > > Yes, in both systems there are representatives elected by the people,
> > > but in the US sovereign power does not reside in, nor is it exercised by
> > > the whole body of free citizens. The US is clearly NOT a
> > > "representative democracy."
> > >
> > > We have "representatives" but this does not make the US a
> > > "representative democracy."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> The confusion is that "democracy"=="representative democracy" which is
> > >> not true.
> > >>
> > >
> > > The only confusion lies in your incorrect understanding of the US form
> > > of government. We have no democracy in the US, we are a Republic!
> >
> > You have a representative democarcy.
> >
> > You seem to misunderstand what a representative democarcy is. Yopu are
> > comfusing it with a true democracy. Under the *correct* definition, the
> > US is definitely a representative democarcy.
> >
>
>
> Ed, just let your epiphany moment happen without fighting it. You'll
> be OK.
What is your major malfunction?
Look here:
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/
You'll see Jefferson makes references to both a "representative government"
and a "republic", as well as a "representative democracy", and a
"democracy". The U.S. fits into all those categories at some level.
Just drop it. The U.S. is not JUST a Republic.
-c
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux
starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:49:11 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Rotten168 wrote:
>
> > "Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> >
> >>Rotten168 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Thaddius Maximus wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Matthew Gardiner (BOFH)" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Well, well, lookie what we have here... another mullet rising up
> >>>>>>>in the name of government handouts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>As for US social problems vs. what's happening in Europe, I can
> >>>>>>>vouch for the US not experiencing genocide within her borders
> >>>>>>>like that which is taking place in Europe today.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>What country(s) may that be?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Balkan countries.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>They aren't in the European Union and as a result donot come under the
> >>>>European Union's Humans Rights Act.
> >>>>
> >>>>Matthew Gardiner
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Regardless, it occurred and Europeans did nothing to stop it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>THe holocast was occuring for years, business mean like Ford used forced
> >>labour in Germany during the war, yet the US did nothing about it. So,
> >>I'd say the US is tarnished with the same brush.
> >>
> >>Matthew gardiner
> >>
> >
> > No doubt... but no one is innocent. What's important is that it doesn't
> > happen again.
> >
>
> However, it seems the Jews haven't learnt. They sign a peace treaty with
> the palastinians, they two days later INVADE the territory, settle, then
> wonder why the palistinians are so pissed off! whats worse, the US does
> nothing about it! Hence the reason why the Palistinians believe the US
> is bias against them.
What about when the Jews sign a cease fire then a Palestinian walks into
a coffe shop with a bomb strapped to his chest. That's ok, right, because
he wasn't a jew?
So what you're saying is, it's ok when Palestinians ignore their
treaties, but it's bad when the Jews do?
-c
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From: Macman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:48:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 15 Jun 2001 08:27:09 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > (Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >> > It's not hyper links, it has a distinctly different look.
> > >> > It's obvious that it's not the page author that put it there.
> > >> > You hover the mouse over a word with a wavy line underneath, and it
> > >> > pop
> > >> > a
> > >> > little graphic, that lets you do stuff about it.
> > >> > Frex, CompaQ, you get to go to the comapny's site, view stock
> > >> > information,
> > >> > read press releases, etc.
> > >>
> > >> Who put the wavy line in the page?
> > >> If you put wavy lines in my page you violate my copyright and may be
> > >> guilty of vandalism.
> > >
> > >No way. I'm free to change fonts, eliminate graphics, turn off
> > >cookies, etc.
> >
> > Are you free to intercept pages that other people are viewing and
> > stick in links to rival sites?
>
> THAT'S NOT WHAT SMART TAGS DO!!!!!!!!!! Yes that was shouting!
>
> It's strictly local to the machine viewing the page. The page on the
> server IS NOT CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
He never said it was.
He said the pages are 'intercepted' and changed. Presumably by the
browser.
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