El vie, 13-10-2006 a las 22:37 +0200, Micha Feigin escribió: > On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:13:04 +0200 > Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > El jue, 12-10-2006 a las 00:17 +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson escribió: > > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:43:57PM +0200, Julian Daich wrote: > > > > > > > This week I have the opportunity to connect a new Linux PC to the > > > > Internet with Bezeq´s ADSL via an Adtech( or whatever it is called) 600 > > > > modem/ ruter. I was surprised to find that there are not instructions of > > > > how to set the ruter, instead they( Bezeq) give you a CD with a program > > > > for Window to configure a dialer and a booklet of how to install and > > > > configure that program which in fact is more complicate that doing > > > > 138.0.0.10 from your browser from any OS and set Admin as username and > > > > password as I did to configure the ruter. After examining the booklet > > > > with more detail I found within the technical requirements to have an at > > > > least 233Mhz which I suspect is to much requirement for a simple dialer. > > > > I´m trying to understand why Bezeq try to force users to use these > > > > dialers since it is more complicate to users, uses too much computer > > > > resources, costs more paper and CDs to Bezeq and from the Bezeq side > > > > there is not difference in resources if it is the modem or the PC what > > > > diales. > > > > > > By law, BEZEQ can not sell you access to the Internet. All they can sell > > > you > > > is access to their public data network which uses the ATM protocol. > > > > > > I have been told, but can not verify, that the ATM network realy has no > > > speed or access limitations, you can open a virtual connection to anyone > > > that can receive it. > > > > > > I do know that at one time, and they may still do, every ISP had a guest > > > user id that allowed you to access their network without being a > > > subscriber. The rates were very high, IMHO only usefull if you wanted to > > > spend a few minutes testing out an ISP or if you wanted to connect to > > > another ISP to forward that must-go-out email when yours was down. > > > > > > What you call a modem is really an ethernet to ATM proctol converter > > > or packet assembler/disassmbler or PAD. > > > > > > Therefore they have to use a VPN aka tunnel to connect you directly with > > > your ISP. The ISP then can regulate your data rates and access. > > I understand, and maybe I was not so clear with my posting. My question > > is why Bezeq gives you a CD with a dialer instead to teach you to > > configure the VPN which resides inside the little blackbox( aka modem or > > ruter) which is quite easier and straightforward to do. In fact, at > > least for the Adtech modem, you do not need the CD program which Bezeq > > calls¨ dialer¨. Is for what it makes me suspect that maybe this program > > is more than a dialer. > > > > This way they can give the same instructions to everyone regardless of the > modem. > > It also translates network errors for the help-desk (I once gave them the > verbal error linux gave me and they were stomped since it was not the numer > that they use to look up in the book which tells them how to guide you) > > Now it makes sense. My problem is that when I see those CDs I recall the CDs which come with every piece of hardware intended for Windows( Lexmark and most webcams are the champions). These¨ drivers¨ usually installs heavy programs docked in your system tray with a bunch of security holes, features that nobody needs and report every single thing that you do to their mother company.
> > J > > > > > > > > HOT uses the same mechanism to connect their customers, but with an added > > > twist. Routers made for the U.S. market assume that the "gateway" is the > > > IP address of both the IP gateway off of the local segment and the > > > tunneling > > > host. In Israel they are seperate and most routers sold in the U.S. will > > > not > > > work on HOT's network. > > > > > > There is a way around it, since HOT's network is IP over token ring, they > > > can set up your connection so that all packets from your cable modem > > > go to your ISP, allowing you a direct DHCP connection. Some ISPs do it, > > > some won't, some charge for it, all require you to talk to many customer > > > service people before you find one that understands what you want. :-) > > > > > > In the rest of the world, the company that sells you your xDSL service > > > is also your ISP, so a VPN/tunnel is not needed. > > > > > > Geoff. > > ================================To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL > PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
