Linux-Misc Digest #363, Volume #18               Sun, 27 Dec 98 05:13:22 EST

Contents:
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Bob Hauck)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Brian Knotts)
  Re: Can't quite connect (Ed Young)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Brian Knotts)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Brian Knotts)
  Re: Time Synch (Ed Young)
  Pussy shot from behind  1232 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: execute a script copied from dos filesystem? (Ed Young)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Joe Drew)
  Re: SuSE 5.3 experiences (Paul Lew)
  Re: Changing CD ROMs (Terry Porter)
  Re: The goal of Open Source (David M. Cook)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Martin Skjöldebrand)
  Linux on an IBM ThinkPAD (Shani Oren)
  Need help? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: The goal of Open Source (Michael Powe)
  Re: Unix vs Windows NT (Destrius)
  Re: SuSE or RedHat ? (Destrius)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Destrius)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Destrius)
  Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Steve Mading)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 27 Dec 1998 03:42:33 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> A little code calling the API function GetProfileString() or one called
> WriteProfileString() will fail to work if it cannot open a file whose
> size is greater than 64Kb or create one larger than 64Kb.
> 
> However, in 10 years I can't recall seeing one that large.

Someone should also point out that the 64K limit was not inherent
in the API.  It was an implementation issue.  They could have fixed
it without changing the API or semantics at all.

--
 20:30:00 up 28 days,  8:02,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Knotts)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:12:35 GMT

On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 05:03:50 -0600, Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> spake unto us, saying:
> 
> >I had an OS/2 lockup once while working, hit the reset button and it
> >would not reboot after that. A chkdsk run did not work at all. 
> >
> >I did a WPS restore from a backup that I had.....this backup was made
> >with third party software by the way....and I was fine. The ini files
> >got corrupted somehow. I guess the OS/2 ini file concept and structure
> >should be ditched as well eh?
> 
> I'm jumping in the thread late.  But IMhO yes, it probably should.  :-)
> 
> I hate centralized binary configuration files (time bombs, I say), and
> AFAIC OS/2 as just as guilty as Windows 9x and NT.

I agree. I'm another long-time OS/2 user, and I have to say that
pretty much every problem I had with OS/2 had to do with the WPS and
those gol-durn binary configuration files (OS2.INI, OS2SYS.INI).

I've switched pretty much full-time to Linux, and have no regrets
other than missing the slick functionality of the WPS. But I certainly 
don't miss its flakiness.

/etc is the way to go, IMO. And open source. :-)

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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Can't quite connect
Date: 27 Dec 1998 06:17:47 GMT

Sergei Gerasenko wrote:
> 
> I just installed Linux and decided to add PPP support. Everything went well
> and I can even see PPP frames in minicom (a terminal program). But that's
> about it. I have also tried to use the ppp-on and ppp-on-dialer scripts and
> after their excution the log file says that "serial connection has been
> established", but then the next couple of lines say that SIGHUP signal was
> received and that the connection was terminated. In other words, the
> connection drops immediately after it has been established. I know that my
> provider uses PPP. My PPP version is 2.2.0. What maybe the reason?
> Thanx,
> Sergei

As I recall, ppp-on-dialer uses a chat script.  Change the invocation to chat to
include a -v (verbose).  This may give you more insight into the problem.  It
may be that you are not sending a username and password to your ISP?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Knotts)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:20:13 GMT

On 26 Dec 1998 12:43:30 GMT, Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would point out that technically neither of your instances is
> a case of Linux locking up.  The results in your case are the
> same though, so it makes no difference.  If you are stuck where
> you can't do anything except reboot, it might as well be a Linux
> lockup.

> However, one nice thing about Linux, or any multi-user OS, is
> being able to access it in other ways to clear such problems.
> If you had had even a plain old ascii terminal tied to a serial
> port you could have logged in and killed the X server to clear
> the problems.  A more interesting way is to have more than one
> computer handy, and have them networked.  Then you can just
> telnet in and do the same thing.

Actually, OS/2 has a telnet daemon as well. I used it sucessfully to
unhose my OS/2 system a few times. Most of the time, though, a reboot
was necessary.

There are also some ps/kill-like utilities available for OS/2. And XFree86.

Nevertheless, I have only had to reboot Linux once under those
circumstances.

I did have dosemu hose Linux pretty good once, though.

But, in my experience, Linux experiences stability that is an order of
magnitude better than OS/2 or Windows NT.

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Brian Knotts        http://www.europa.com/~bknotts/        [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Knotts)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:27:07 GMT

On 23 Dec 1998 11:36:42 +0100, Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord) writes:
> 
> > A while ago I did a comparison of vulnerable configuration files
> > between NT and Linux. I said that possibly inittab was the only file
> > that could be corrupted which would prevent the system from booting.
> 
> Okay, how about /boot/vmlinuz?  Hardly a configuration file, but if
> /boot is read-write, and something horrible happens to the driver - or 
> more likely, lightning strikes your computer, it could happen. :-)

You mean you only have one kernel?

:-)


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Brian Knotts        http://www.europa.com/~bknotts/        [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Time Synch
Date: 27 Dec 1998 06:46:49 GMT

David Steuber wrote:
> 
> I am looking for a little utility that I can run from cron to set the
> time on my Linux machine by connecting to port 13 or 37 on a standard
> time server on the east coast of the USA.
> 
> I've also noticed that I am not running either the daytime (port 13)
> or the time (port 37) services.  I would like those to start when the
> machine boots up.  How do I do that?
> 
> I have SuSE 5.3 distribution of Linux.
This is from RedHat.  SuSE may have xntp3:

$ rpm -qi xntp3
Name        : xntp3                       Distribution: Manhattan 
Version     : 5.93                              Vendor: Red Hat Software
Release     : 4                             Build Date: Mon Oct 12 21:18:35 1998
Install date: Fri Dec 25 08:16:30 1998      Build Host: porky.redhat.com
Group       : Networking/Daemons            Source RPM: xntp3-5.93-4.src.rpm
Size        : 931690                           License: distributable
Packager    : Red Hat Software <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Summary     : Network Time Protocol utilities
Description :
This package contains utilities and daemons to help synchronize your
computer's time to UTC standard time. It includes ntpdate, a program
similar to rdate, and xntpd, a daemon which adjusts the system time
continuously.

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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: execute a script copied from dos filesystem?
Date: 27 Dec 1998 06:51:19 GMT

Paul Lew wrote:
> 
> I had copied a linux script into a dos partition for a cdrom when
> in winnt; then I copied the script fo linux when in linux mode.  The
> problem is when I tried to execute the script I get a "no such file
> or directory found".  The "attributes" of the file was set to be
> executable by all and updated only by the user (root).
> 
> I was able to change the script's name, copy it to another directory
> and rename the script file: I was also able to edit the same file.
> 
> Is there anything else in SuSE 5.2 or linux in general that precludes
> linux from running a script which it thinks originated from dos??
> Fortunately, the script was "ppp-off" which was also found in the
> the bowels of the linux docs; this version was able to execute!

Have you set the file permissions on your script to execute?  Read about the
chmod utility if you haven't (man chmod)...

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From: Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:54:40 GMT

Brian Knotts wrote:
> I did have dosemu hose Linux pretty good once, though.

Well, I'll jump out of my 1.5 hours of lurking and start posting, gotta
start somewhere..
any process running as root can hose your system. By definition, they're
allowed to - uid 0 can do basically whatever it wants. The difference
between multiuser OSen and single-user OSen is that there are other
uids, which have no such ability - and if the user can crash the OS,
it's a bug. 
 
> But, in my experience, Linux experiences stability that is an order of
> magnitude better than OS/2 or Windows NT.

In my experience as well. I have *never* seen Linux crash, and have been
privy to only a handful of kernel panics which occurred on bootup of a
bad disk (installing, of course - apparently Windows isn't too fond of
direct disk access, so for rawrite to DOS I went; of course there was no
error message, but the root disk just plain didn't work.)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: Re: SuSE 5.3 experiences
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26 Dec 1998 14:28:11 -0800

I could laugh as I just finished having the "same" problem.

Anyway, use yast to setup the modem and ppp configurations, etc;
in yast, select system admin tools and then network configuration
then the rest.  You must also setup the "device" (modem) within the
yast as well as the isp stuff like the dns; I don't really know if
it even looks at the resolv.conf in spite of what the docs say.

Prior to using yast, I was able to connect to my ISP but could not
get anywhere from then on as the pppd didn't even look at my 
resolv.conf for the nameserver so that all sites were reported not
found.

On 26 Dec 1998 13:41:20 GMT, Rick Knebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jerry Lynn Kreps wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> 
>>> In his obvious haste, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
>
>>
>>I love my SuSE 5.3  (I used RH 5.0, 5.2 They are nice, but SuSE is
>>better)
>>
>I am in the process of trying Suse now and the one thing that is really
>irritating is that it is hard to make a ppp connection.
>
>For a major distro they should put more work into a good user interface like
>either redhat or debian.
>
>Maybe I just am not looking in the right place.
>
>How do you set up ppp on your system with suse.
>
>What program do you use.
>
>Thanks
>Rick
>
>
>
>
>>su to root. 
>>updatedb
>>locate code_c    (or any fraction of the name)
>
>
>-- 
>Rick Knebel
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Changing CD ROMs
Date: 27 Dec 1998 07:01:22 GMT
Reply-To: No-Spam

On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:31:41 -0500, Doug Andrews
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there some, non-Xterm, way of changing from one CD to another while
>running Linux?  When I used RedHat 5.1
>I used fstool to do this by unmounting, changing  and then remounting.
>In RedHat 5.2 there seems to be no graphical tool by which I can mount
>and unmount file systems. i.e. fstool is no more.
>
>Thanks
>Doug
>
Yes :-)
A number of ways actually.

my cd is on /dev/hdc, the ist ide, slave, yours will probably be different.
Look for it in /var/log/dmesg (redhat)

1/ You can use a script, both of these below will run in a xterm or from the
command line, or can be called from another program, such as Midnight
Commander, which runs in X or the cli, or from a terminal hanging of your
serial port!

to mount
.......................mcd..........................
#!/bin/bash
mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/mcdrom



to unmount
......................umcd..........................
#!/bin/bash
umount /mnt/cdrom



Naturally you'll will need root permisions to use these, may I suggest "sudo"
as a convient way for a normal user to do this (root only for this 1 task)?
NOTE: umount is not a typo, there is no "m"!

2/ You could install the automount daemon, this will automatically mount
and unmount on demand.


terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 05:22:03 GMT

On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:40:46 GMT, steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Ooooh, yummy!  Open Source takes over the world, then I get to be a
>maintenance grunt for the rest of my life, cleaning up other peoples'
>garbage so it works to company spec-of-the-week.  Arrgh.  -steve

Isn't that what programmers usually do anyway?

Dave Cook

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Skjöldebrand)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:00:13 GMT

On 25 Dec 1998 23:45:12 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Mading)
wrote:

>Rich Grise ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: Steve Mading wrote:
>: [...]
>: >and 2 - I don't want a $PATH
>: > variable that's over 1000 letters long because of all the /opt/yadda
>: > directories in it.
>
>: Howcome you're strewing your executables all over your drive such
>: that you need a PATH that's that long? 
>
>: /bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:.
>
>: what else do you need?
>
>Try reading more than one post when you start looking at a new thread.
>Your suggestion is precisely what I was in favor of.  I was arguing
>*against* the each-program-in-its-own-dir model.

Coming in late on this thread I can't really see why this is a BAD
THING. As long as uninstalling tarballs is a pain why not use an
each-program-in-its-own-dir modell?

M.

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From: Shani Oren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux on an IBM ThinkPAD
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:55:16 +0200

Hi,

Has anyone installed Linux on an IBM ThinkPAD?

If so, would love to get a recepie and some tips.

Tnx,

Oren Shani




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Need help?
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:51:21 GMT

  Just wanted to post a quick note to tell everyone about my web page at
http://storm.bucks.edu/~[EMAIL PROTECTED]  It's not much right now but
eventually I will turn it into a useful page with info on linux and other
computing info.  I am a Computer Science major and I've been toying around
with computers since the days of the Commodore 64 and with linux since '93
(i.e. 1.2.13 :)  If you have a question feel free to email me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll do my best to help out.

Jay

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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Date: 26 Dec 1998 23:15:27 -0800

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>>>>> "steve" == steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

    steve> On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:02:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
    >> When you need a program written and are not a programmer, who
    >> are you going to hire to write it?

    steve> In other words, all programmers will become the "hired
    steve> help".  Hell, if I'm condemned to that position I'll become
    steve> a manager, or better yet go into real-estate or stock
    steve> brokering or something where I get paid some serious money
    steve> for putting up with the daily crap.  The idea of being a
    steve> programmer, for me at least, is that it's one area where
    steve> with a reasonable outlay of cash up front for
    steve> education/equipment, you can be your own boss.  Sounds like
    steve> the FSF is dead set against independence for workers.

You really ought to go by www.fsf.org and check out what it's all
about.

The plain fact is, anyway, your "independence" is bought at the price
of someone else's.  So, although you can get up on your hobby horse
about "independence," in your terms it's really only a polite fiction.

What the FSF offers is just a different paradigm.  Instead of
"ownership" and its twin brother, "independence," we could have
... equality. 

mp

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Destrius)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Unix vs Windows NT
Date: 27 Dec 1998 08:58:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

...and it was written on the heavens that on 26 Dec 1998 04:15:34 GMT, 
 the entity named David Stanaway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
 inscribed the following words in comp.os.linux.misc:

-clip-
>>At the moment, tho, I really wish there were more RPGs for Linux... :)
>
>Well, there are the Mud's ..  but not much solo play stuff.
-clip-

Mud's and the rest of the gang are quite fun, but nothing can beat a
full-fledged CRPG. So that's why I'm working on creating one for
Linux. Of course, with my programming skills, the very first alpha version
would be released late next century. :)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Destrius)
Subject: Re: SuSE or RedHat ?
Date: 27 Dec 1998 08:58:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

...and it was written on the heavens that on Sat, 26 Dec 1998 07:42:26 GMT, 
 the entity named jc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
 inscribed the following words in comp.os.linux.misc:

-clip-
>I'm not going to give you another lecture, rather, I'm gonna tell you
>my story and let you decide.
-clip-

Well, since I don't see much Debian here...
 
The first distribution I tried was a copy of Red Hat 5.0 from the Linux
Toolkit CD set (from Walnut Creek). It installed fine, it ran fine, in
fact, everything was smooth. However, I had absolutely no idea what to
do. Not having any manuals or books didn't help any.

After toying around with Linux, I went back to Win95 and hardly touched my
Linux partition. Until one day, Win95's registry got corrupted yet again,
and so I decided to "get into" Linux proper.

Upon the suggestions of my newsgroup friends, I installed Debian 1.3,
wiping out Red Hat. The install program was quite intuitive, and having
done it before, I went through it without any major doubts. After
installation, Linux booted up flawlessly, and I found myself exposed to a
single command prompt.

First thing I noticed was that 'ls' didn't produce coloured output. That
meant I had to read the manual, and start learning something. Soon after
that, I started X, and fiddled with the various window managers. The way
things were installed and the plethora of documentation allowed me to learn 
what I needed to learn, and soon I was booting in Linux almost every time I 
started my 'puter.

For me, Debian was my real "beginner's Linux". Of course, this doesn't mean 
its superior to Red Hat in any way. In fact, I'd probably be using Red Hat
now if not because the people I talk to prefer Debian. Now, I too prefer
Debian because it has to friendliness of Red Hat along with the hackability 
of Slackware (well, sort of). And it's GNU.

So anyway, this is just to say that Debian is a choice too. Since it's
absolutely free, why not try it out and see how things go? You've got
nothing to lose...

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Destrius)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 27 Dec 1998 08:58:35 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

...and it was written on the heavens that on Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:34:40 GMT, 
 the entity named [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
 inscribed the following words in comp.os.linux.misc:

-clip-
>    :My entire registry (user.dat and system.dat) suddenly disappeared
>    :from the face of my Windows partition after I deleted a single 
>    :non-related file in some directory. This was one month after I 
>    :re-installed Windows95 fresh. 
>
>
>Are you blaming windows for that very unfortunate mishap? :-/
-clip-

Maybe Windows, maybe another program. The file, IIRC, was actually a
Chinese document which I deleted when I wasn't running my Chinese viewing
proggie. It was named "________.txt". After deleting it, the system hung,
and then I couldn't get back into Win95 after reboot.

Anyway, it's Windows' fault that something like that can happen in the
first place. I don't see xcin removing my /etc directory any time now...

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Destrius)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 27 Dec 1998 08:58:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

...and it was written on the heavens that on Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:18:01 GMT, 
 the entity named [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
 inscribed the following words in comp.os.linux.misc:

-clip-
>I did a WPS restore from a backup that I had.....this backup was made
>with third party software by the way....and I was fine. The ini files
>got corrupted somehow. I guess the OS/2 ini file concept and structure
>should be ditched as well eh?
-clip-

INI files are okay, if they are kept in an organised state, and given a bit 
more power. Better than a binary registry.

-clip-
>I guess strange things like that do not occur on the great Linux now
>does it?
-clip-

If they do, they disappear within a few hours, because the unfortunate
victim would have reported the bug to people in the know, and they would
correct the problem.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Mading)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 27 Dec 1998 03:25:13 -0600

Martin Skjöldebrand ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On 25 Dec 1998 23:45:12 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Mading)
: wrote:

: >Rich Grise ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: >: Steve Mading wrote:
: >: [...]
: >: >and 2 - I don't want a $PATH
: >: > variable that's over 1000 letters long because of all the /opt/yadda
: >: > directories in it.
: >
: >: Howcome you're strewing your executables all over your drive such
: >: that you need a PATH that's that long? 
: >
: >: /bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:.
: >
: >: what else do you need?
: >
: >Try reading more than one post when you start looking at a new thread.
: >Your suggestion is precisely what I was in favor of.  I was arguing
: >*against* the each-program-in-its-own-dir model.

: Coming in late on this thread I can't really see why this is a BAD
: THING. As long as uninstalling tarballs is a pain why not use an
: each-program-in-its-own-dir modell?

Rather than sound like a broken record, I'll just refer you to the
top of this post, which includes my reason why I don't like it from
one of my previous posts, which you handily left in place for me.

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Steve Mading:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.execpc.com/~madings


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