Linux-Misc Digest #446, Volume #18 Sun, 3 Jan 99 05:13:08 EST
Contents:
Wordperfect registration keys won't work ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Floyd Davidson)
Re: LS-120 SuperDisk (Daniel Goh)
encoding program.. (±è»óÁø)
Re: Does Linux support plug & play (Rohit Singh)
Re: WP8 installation (William Wueppelmann)
spreadsheet? (John Overton)
Re: What's FUD (Mike Werner)
Netscape eats up *all* the swap ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. (Alexander Viro)
RAMDISK in RedHat 5.2, what are them for? Can remove them? (Choon-Cheng Chee)
Emacs problem under AfterStep ("Silviu D. Minut")
Tcl Blend & Linux - Almost Works (Clif Flynt)
Re: Message Queue Middleware for Linux? (Christopher B. Browne)
free shell account ! (Paul Vlaar)
Re: What's FUD ("James A. Cleland")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Wordperfect registration keys won't work
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 06:38:25 GMT
OK, I'm stumped.
I downloaded all 7 WP chunks.
I discovered that Netscape automatically unzipped the files without
removing .gz from the name, and that the install script wants lowercase
"gui0?" filenames with no suffix.
I created a wordperfect user to avoid having root own a world-writable
directory and files in /tmp.
I got a registration key.
I successfully got the installer started.
But now I find that the installer demands a registration key to install,
and won't accept anything as valid!
I have procured three different keys from Wordperfect's registration
site.
I have run the X installer, I have run the text-only installer, I have
typed them in, I have cut and pasted them in, I have put them in a file
called ~/.wprc/.wp8key. No joy. I am mighty, mighty sure that I did
not make a typo. My system clock is correct.
I keep reading postings where people say they installed the program, ran
it, and *then* had trouble with registration keys, but the installer
will not let me past the registration screen without entering a key.
Is the seven-chunk installer different from the one-chunk installer? Is
there some magic I can do to install with no key? Do I need to wait for
the next full moon before entering the key? Am I on crack?
Somebody, please help me get this key accepted. Am I the only one with
this problem?
~Adam Aulick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Date: 3 Jan 1999 02:06:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <76m6rl$pdt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <76kosf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson) writes:
>>>>to weigh that very heavily before upsetting that particular
>>>>apple cart.
>>>
>>>I am sorry? Millions of people speed, but the courts appear to have no
>>>difficulty in fining those who appear before it.
>
>>Once again, as in your last statement, you are confusing criminal
>>law with contract law. There is no valid comparison.
>
>Speeding and most vehicle offenses are not criminal law.
Then try filing a counter suit against the police officer who
cites you.
They *are* criminal law.
>>Just as clearly you are still confusing two issues. One would
>>be if the license contains restrictions which violate the law.
>
>There are two issues. The first is under Copyright law. What
>restrictions are you able to impose on another person under copyright
>law? In particular you can only impose restrictions that relate to
>copying, not to use.
Copying is a use. "Fair use" is a term from copyright law.
>The second issue is contract law? You can clearly impose much more under
>a contract. However, the concept of contract is much more stringent, and
Actually a contract is much less stringent. Two parties can
contract with each other. Law is not something just any two
parties can decide anything about.
>a contract cannot be entered into unilaterally. Both parties MUST agree
>to the terms of a contract for it to be binding, and the fact that both
>parties did agree must be probable in a court before the court will find
>that contract to be a contract. I cannot enter you into a contract
>without your explicit consent. In many jurisdictions, a contract must
>furthermore be a contract in which value is exchanged.
>
>Now, what constitutes explicit agreement, and what constitues value can
>be argued. However the courts are loath to interpret agreement
>toowidely, or else my contract with you in which you agreed to only ever
>enter the bathroom backwards, and to which you gave explicit consent by
>replying to my message, would be deemed a valid contract.
We only agreed that you had soiled your paints. Now you've done
it again. The only thing explicit is that you are ignoring such
things as reality that doesn't fit your concept, and creating a
fantasy to support it.
>>You have not shown any such to exist. Your opinion is that some
>>things might be... but no court has ever ruled that to be true.
>
>Courts have ruled on what constitutes a contract many times. Now, they
>may decide, against all that precident, that including the GPL in a
>distribution which a user downloaded for free, was actually a contract.
>One never knows what a court could decide. But I do not think it is
>something you would be advised to bet on.
Most lawyers don't seem to agree with you. Note to that
downloading it for free has nothing to do with it. What does is
intentionally using the code and then redistributing it in a
derivative work. You can claim all you like that such isn't a
contract, but there is a very good reason nobody wants to take
it to court and find out! Virtually everyone suspects they
would lose hands down.
>>The initial infringement wouldn't give anyone a right to a
>>second infringement. However, the second infringement is not an
>>infringment unless the first one is. The GPL clearly gives the
>>first user a right to do exactly that, include GPL'd code and
>>release it, with each part separately copyrighted. It is also
>>clear from the GPL that the first user accepted the GPL
>>provisions in making that release, and therefore even absent any
>>announcement that the newly released code is totally brought
>>under the GPL, anyone who sees what is there can automatically,
>>and correctly, know that it _must_ be under the GPL. Otherwise
>>it could not contain other GPL'd code.
>
>And insofar as the GPL does it it exceeds its legal mandate. The GPL
>cannot encumber someone elses copyright. It can only make assertions
>about the material that the user owns copyright to. It might state that
>the other person has no right to copy material under certain conditions,
It does exactly that, and nothing else.
>but has no authority under the Copyright act to encumber the copyrights
>of material which is clearly not material covered by the original
>owner's copyright.
Your opinion doesn't seem to be a popular one.
>And again, the GPL is not a contract.
That seems to be clearly false.
>>Contract law is not limited to a signed piece of paper. That
>>just happens to be the most valuable (namely provable) form of a
>>contract. Other contracts are also valid, though it is true
>>that they are much more difficult to prove the existance of. In
>>this case you have been arguing that the contract exists and is
>>invalid, until now. I think it can be proven to exist, and I
>
>Sorry a contract cannot "exist" and be "invalid" An invalid contract
>does not exist. One of the parties may claim that it exists, but that
>claim is false if the contract is invalid.
That is not so. I've seen portions of contracts voided due for
a variety of reasons (including a claim by one party that it had
indeed been explicitly agreed to, but only because it was not
understood!) while the rest of the contract remained in force.
You are just making these things up as you go along, and don't
seem to have any real idea how law works.
>In particular a contract requires explicit agreement by both parties, an
>agreement which would be difficult to demonstrate in the case of someone
>using GPL code.
As has been pointed out several times now, if that were clearly
true then the GPL would have been into the courts several times
by now and we would have rulings on it. That hasn't happened
because nobody who has the money to try it seems to think they
could win the case.
>Long? The GPL has only existed for about 15 years. That is instantaneous
>as far as the courts are concerned. The fact that it has not yet been
>challenged simply means that noone has considered it worth
>challenging and says nothing about how a court would view such a
>challenge.
I think we all know that those assertions are not true. Fifteen
years is a short time for something to transit the court system.
It is a very long time for a contractual type of agreement that
affects hundreds or thousands of businesses to remain untested.
>>>(Just to be clear, I imposed the copyright restriction on you that you
>>>are allowed to copy this message to your computer in order to read it
>>>only under the condition that you ufrom now and henceforth only enter
>>>you bathroom backwards. Your reading this message, and in particular
>>>your replying to it indictes your acceptance of this condition.)
>
>> 1) You did not impose that restriction on me.
>> 2) You have released it to others without restriction, and
>> they have given it to me, also without restriction.
>> 3) You are being absurd.
>
>Yes, I did. I clearly stated that this restiction applies to you and you
>alone (which under law is my right). You indicted your agreement by responding.
>And yes, I am being absurd, on purpose. It is this kind of "agreement"
>which you are suggesting the courts might look favourably on with
>respect to regarding the GPL as a contract.
You are just being absurd. The difference is that the GPL very
definitely was written on the advice of some pretty well versed
legal council. You clearly have very little exposure how the
legal system works.
I am not a lawyer either, but I do talk to one as often as I can.
And I pay a great deal of attention to the advice that I get and
we spend time discussing why the advice is what it is.
Floyd
--
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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From: Daniel Goh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LS-120 SuperDisk
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:55:17 +0800
Rick Knebel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know if the LS-120 SuperDisc is supported in Linux.
> This would be an internal ide model?
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>
> --
> Rick Knebel
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm using an Internal IDE Model. Works fine in RedHat 5.2 (2.0.36
kernel) no recompilation needed. Just mount / umount like a floppy.
That's it!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (±è»óÁø)
Subject: encoding program..
Date: 3 Jan 1999 05:46:22 GMT
i wanna mp3-encoding program..
wav -> mp3...
please let me know...
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From: Rohit Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Does Linux support plug & play
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 06:59:22 +0000
Here is what i had to to get pnp modem to work. I have a USR. Since you
can read this post i guess i am able to dial out.
0) get isapnp software from http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk
1) uncompress, compile, etc.
2) type pnpdump --config > pnp.log
3) type isapnp pnp.log
4) If it works and does not gives you any error you are ok, otherwise go
and fix the problem in pnp.log. I had a trivial problem, took seconds to
fox it.
5) use this command setserial /dev/modem port 0x3e8 irq 5 autoconfig
Most if the settings you should know from your windows setting or
pnp.log file created above
6) use minicom or other program to check it out
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: WP8 installation
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 07:07:16 GMT
In article <voCckDAPYkj2Ew$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Neil Durant wrote:
>Hi,
> I'm trying to install WP8 (downloaded version) onto my Redhat 5.1
>system. I've got to the part of the installation wizard thing in
>X-Windows which asks for the registration number "which is on the
>registration card" - however, having downloaded WP8 I don't have a
>registration card!!!! I went to the Corel site and registered myself
>and got a registration number, but the installation program won't
>accept it. What am I supposed to enter into that box??
For the registration number
1) it's probably case-sensitive
2) the `-' should be omitted
3) The `Key' should be included
4) No spaces anywhere
It took me a few tries, but the key I got worked when I followed those
rules.
--
William
*** It is pitch black. You are likely to be spammed by a grue. ***
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From: John Overton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: spreadsheet?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:52:04 GMT
Hi all,
I'm looking for a good spreadsheet? Does a FAQ exist? Or can someone
point me at something?
Thanks,
John
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From: Mike Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's FUD
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:53:00 -0500
I just rechecked - it is indeed there. It was also there when I wrote
that message - that line was a cut and paste from the Netscape URL line.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Netscape eats up *all* the swap
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 07:11:47 GMT
I know it's a cliche, but -- does Netscape 4.08 have some kind of
huge memory leak? As I use it, my swap space gradually fills in a
monotonic fashion. If I let it go long enough, the system will
die a thrashing death.
This is best noticed when ftping large files. There seems to be
a direct correlation between swap usage and file size (enough swap
space is used to hold the data downloaded so far) but even when the
download is complete, the memory is not released.
No matter how long I wait with no netscape activity, the memory is
never released, but when I exit netscape it is all released at once.
I have 16 megs of real RAM and about 30 megs on my swap partition.
I have netscape's memory cache set to 0 and the memory cache set to
3 megs.
Is anybody else having this problem?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: 2 Jan 1999 19:46:45 -0500
In article <76jmt7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I personally take it a step more: anybody whining about their convenience
>over my privacy is not a person I want to see in my email, anyway. Anyone
>with so limited patience for simply taking a few moments to *personalize*
>correspondance to me is operating under the same delusion as spammers: To
>hell with your privacy tactics; my message and convenience is paramount.
*PLONK*
--
Luser, n.:
Human-like creature that doesn't dare to use elevator, because of
its belief that only horrible geeks can master arcane and obscure art of
using control panel.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Choon-Cheng Chee)
Subject: RAMDISK in RedHat 5.2, what are them for? Can remove them?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 06:42:36 GMT
I have just upgraded a RH 4.1 to RH5.2. I noticed that there are a
number of RAMdisks being created when the system boots up. Any idea
what are they used for? Is it advisible to remove them to save memory?
Choon-Cheng Chee
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Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
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From: "Silviu D. Minut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.emacs.help,gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Emacs problem under AfterStep
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 03:48:28 -0500
I have been using emacs with fvwm2 under linux (RedHat 5.0, but many
packages are new, some newer than RedHat 5.2) and everything was just
fine.
I installed AfterStep today and seems a pretty nice window manager, but
it messes up my emacs.
Ctrl-v does not do anything. However, if I set the mark, highlight some
region, kill it with Ctrl-w, then Ctrl-v will just paste it right back.
Ctrl-n, Ctrl-p, Ctrl-b, Ctrl-f, Ctrl-a, Ctrl-e work all right.
If I exit X, and startx to my old fvwm2, everything works just fine.
Does AfterStep use different keybindings? Does it read them from some
file? If so, which one? Can I just change the bindings for emacs? Won't
this affect other applications?
I would hate to give up this nice window manager. Any help would be
greatly appreciated.
Silviu Minut
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From: Clif Flynt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.tcl
Subject: Tcl Blend & Linux - Almost Works
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:41:15 -0500
I'm trying to get Tcl Blend installed on a RedHat 5.2 Linux system,
and it almost works. This note is partly to let other folks who
may be interested in Tcl Blend and Linux know what I've done that
worked, and partly to see if anyone has suggestions for where to
go from here.
There were several preliminary steps to getting to TclBlend. First
off, the Java supplied with RedHat 5.2 doesn't seem to include
libraries. I found a java rpm, but that required a Motif library.
So, first LessTif, then Java, then Tcl, then Tcl Blend...
Here's the steps I've gone through:
1) Install LessTif.
I downloaded 'lesstif-current.tar.gz', configured, made, and it
created libXm.so.1.2.
I then made a symbolic link from the libXm.so.1.2 to
/usr/lib/libXm.so.2.
The jdk rpm file I downloaded required libXm.so.2.
2) Install the jdk kit. The java supplied with RedHat 5.2 didn't
seem to have the libraries. Perhaps I missed something.
I got jdk-1.1.7.1a-2glibc.i386.rpm and installed it with:
rpm -iv --test --nodeps jdk-1.1.7.1a-2glibc.i386.rpm
This installed under /usr/local/jdk1.1.7
3) Download and install Tcl8.0.4
I downloaded the tcl8.0.4.tar.gz and tk8.0.4.tar.gz from Scriptics,
configure --enable-shared
make
4) Download and compile TclBlend
I downloaded tclBlendSrc1.1a1.tar.gz from Scriptics
Used symbolic links to make a directory tree that resembled:
tclBlend1.1a1 tk8.0 tcl8.0
Made two symbolic links in the java distribution to pass the
sanity checks in configure:
ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.1.7/lib/i686 /usr/local/jdk1.1.7/lib/linux
ln -s /usr/local/jdk1.1.7/include/genunix \
/usr/local/jdk1.1.7/include/linux
set the JAVA_HOME environment variable to /usr/local/jdk1.1.7
configure \
--with-javaarchlib=/usr/local/jdk1.1.7/lib/i686/native_threads
Modify Makefile:
I added the java library to the libtclblend.so link line. Without
this, I got an undefined/unfound library when I tried to load
libtclblend.so
....
# Build the shared library
libtclblend$(SHLIB_SUFFIX): $(OBJS)
rm -f libtclblend$(SHLIB_SUFFIX)
$(SHLIB_LD) $(OBJS) \
-L/usr/local/jdk1.1.7/lib/i686/native_threads -ljava \
-o libtclblend$(SHLIB_SUFFIX)
....
make
This procedure got me a libtclblend.so that can be loaded into wish,
almost.
The Java Virtual Machine fails to find classes.zip.
$> wish
% load "./libtclblend.so"
Unable to initialize threads: cannot find class java/lang/Thread
JNI_CreateJavaVM() failed.
Perhaps your CLASSPATH includes a classes.zip file for a version other
the one Tcl Blend was compiled with?
Currently, the CLASSPATH environment variable is set to:
/usr/local/jdk1.1.7/lib:/../../../classes:/../../classes.zip:/../../classes.jar:/../../rt.jar:/../../i18n.jar
The JVM currently is using the following
classpath:/../../../classes:/../../classes.zip:/../../classes.jar:/../../rt.jar:/../../i18n.jar
% set env(CLASSPATH)
/usr/local/jdk1.1.7/lib
% set env(JAVA_HOME)
/usr/local/jdk1.1.7
I don't have source to the java kit, so I'm at a bit of a loss for
what's happening in the java engine. Running strings on the libjava.so
indicates that the JVM classpath is initialized as
"%s/../../../classes...", but I couldn't figure out what variable was
being used for the %s. The obvious choices of JAVA_HOME, CLASSPATH,
and JAVA_CLASSPATH had no effect.
So, being rude&crude, I copied classes.zip from /local/jdk/lib to /.
This improved matters a little. The load process takes much longer
before failing.
$> wish8.0
% load "./libtclblend.so"
Can't find class java.lang.System
JNI_CreateJavaVM() failed.
Perhaps your CLASSPATH includes a classes.zip file for a version other
the one Tcl Blend was compiled with?
Currently, the CLASSPATH environment variable is set to:
/usr/local/jdk1.1.7/lib:/../../../classes:/../../classes.zip:/../../classes.jar:/../../rt.jar:/../../i18n.jar
The JVM currently is using the following
classpath:/../../../classes:/../../classes.zip:/../../classes.jar:/../../rt.jar:/../../i18n.jar
The missing class *seems* to be in classes.zip:
$> unzip -t classes.zip | grep System
testing: java/lang/System.class OK
...
If anyone has gotten further than this, I'll be pleased to
hear how far you got and how you got there.
Clif
============================== Clif Flynt =======================
--- Tcl/Tk for Real Programmers - Academic Press Professional ---
================ Release Date: December 1998 =================
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======================== In practice, there is. =================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Message Queue Middleware for Linux?
Date: 3 Jan 1999 07:53:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 14:36:54 +0800, Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>Hello,
> Are there any message queue middleware available for Linux? Like
>Tibco, MSMQ?
Um. Tibco, perhaps? And Tecco. Reportedly Tengah and OM3.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/tpmonitor.html>
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From: Paul Vlaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: free shell account !
Date: 28 Dec 1998 13:04:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anybody interested in a free shell account ? I'm looking for some
badass users to test my system a little, and some advice would be
nice as well :)
1 MB and full access on a Linux box dangling on a cable modem...
for free!
mail your preferred loginname+password, country and realname to this
address:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
regards,
Paul Vlaar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "James A. Cleland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's FUD
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 03:05:45 -0500
Mike Werner wrote:
> I just rechecked - it is indeed there. It was also there when I wrote
> that message - that line was a cut and paste from the Netscape URL line.
Yep, it's there. Interesting read, thanks guys.
James
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