Linux-Misc Digest #535, Volume #18 Sat, 9 Jan 99 16:13:16 EST
Contents:
Re: suid root (Paul Griffiths)
(Q) Linux user's group in Hawaii? ("Jeffrey Denton")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jeremy Mathers)
Version numbering and revision control (Jim Foltz)
netscape does not start, although the libs are correct ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (David H. McCoy)
jdk installing help (William)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (David H. McCoy)
3 button mouse difficulties (Rod Brick)
Re: How to HEX DUMP an ascii file? (William)
Re: Linux and OCR software (John Girash)
Re: Root via Telnet (Peter S. Frouman)
Re: The goal of Open Source ("Keith G. Murphy")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Paul E Larson)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Richard Steiner)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (mlw)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Paul E Larson)
Re: good office package for linux (root)
tkdesk questions (steve mcadams)
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From: Paul Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: suid root
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 20:03:59 +0000
Stefan Davids wrote:
>
> Paul Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Rob wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> Im having trouble finding out how to set an executable file to su to
> >> root when run. For example, I want my ppp dialing scripts to run as
> >> root so a normal user can execute them.
> >>
> >> Can anyone help?
>
> >suid root doesn't work on shell scripts, because of the security
> >implications. Write a small C program to issue the commands via system()
> >calls, and set the uid on that, by issuing:
>
> Arrghhh! Don't use system() in an suid root program. Use execvp(), or
> similar - much safer and has less overhead.
Really? Why is system() unsafe in such a situation?
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Paul Griffiths
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From: "Jeffrey Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: (Q) Linux user's group in Hawaii?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:36:22 -1000
want to know if there is a linux user's group on the island of oahu that
meet regularly. could you please email any responses to me. with the
amount of posts here it is easy to miss one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks.
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jeff, just another newbie
Go not unto the Usenet for advice, for you will be told both yea and nay
(and quite a few things that just have nothing at all to do with the
question).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:13:58 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Alan Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jeremy Mathers wrote:
>>
>> You have to ask yourself if it matters. Again, it is perception.
>> Most users have no concept of the idea that an OS shouldn't crash at
>> least once a day. Really, they just don't care. And its not like
>> they are ever doing anything particularly critical anyway.
>
>And for the people that are?
>
>An OS should not crash...ever.
In case it wasn't clear, my original post was not defending (or pro-) MS.
And I agree with you that a *real* OS shouldn't crash.
But I think it is pretty clear that if you are using Win9x/NT, you
aren't doing anything critical.
And, as they say in alt.showbiz.gossip, "Not that there's anything
wrong with that". In fact, I'd bet that some enormous percentage
(probably in the 90's) of Win9x/NT usage is simply web surfing.
It certainly is in my office (using NT).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Foltz)
Subject: Version numbering and revision control
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:02:54 GMT
Hello,
I understand the kernel versioning scheme, and when you look at
Metalab, a large number of software apparently use the same scheme.
Is this sceme supported by some source control software, like RCS? I know
RCS does not use this numbering scheme. Do most developers not use revision
control software? If not, how do you keep track of different versions?
Thanks for reading.
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Jim Foltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AOL/IM: jim foltz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: netscape does not start, although the libs are correct
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 19:59:49 GMT
I'm having problems running netscape 3.04 on a Debian 2.0 box
[horus@requiem] /home/horus>netscape &
[3] 232
[horus@requiem] /home/horus>netscape: can't load library 'libXt.so.6'
Let's update ldconfig....
[root@requiem] /root>/sbin/ldconfig
[root@requiem] /root>cat /etc/ld.so.conf
/usr/X11R6/lib
/usr/X11R6/lib/Xaw3d
/usr/lib/tkstep
Well, /usr/X11R6/lib is in it, so it should work....
And that libXt.so.6 library *is* there....
[root@requiem] /root>ll /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Oct 7 10:26 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 ->
libXt.so.6.0
[root@requiem] /root>ll /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 290520 Jul 20 07:52 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
... but it still won't work:
[horus@requiem] /home/horus>netscape &
[3] 232
[horus@requiem] /home/horus>netscape: can't load library 'libXt.so.6'
Any ideas ?
I'm running XFree86 Version 3.3.2, Debian 2.0, on a 2.0.35 kernel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David H. McCoy)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:40:56 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>David H. McCoy wrote:
>>
>> This means that Apple and OS/2 both failed to compete properly and lost
>> customers accordingly.
>>
>
>It is arguable that the environment prohibited "competition" thus Apple
>and OS/2 could not compete. This is the nature of Anti-trust.
Anything is arguable, but less is reasonable. Apple had a near complete
lock on GUI, which was Windows main reason for being popular before
Windows was out. They had better machines in every sense of the word
except one, and that was price.
Back in 1988, when MacIIs hit the market for $10k when PCs were only
about 2-3k. Apple software wasn't fully compatible across all Apple
lines.
All Apple had to do was sell a better machine for a reasonable price.
They didn't. Furthermore, they prevented the creation of a clone market
created a monopoly on Apple machines. You want to see a perfect example
of a monopoly stifling competition, then look no further than the Apple
market. With the absence of a clone market to create competition for
Macs, the prices stayed high and as soon as Steve Jobs felt that the
emerging clone market could actually hurt Apple, he killed each and every
last competitor.
Since there were and for the most part still are NO competing OSses for
the Mac, the MacOS, in 1999 still doesn't offer features as basic as
preemptive multitasking.
And on the OS/2 side, IBM had a great technological lead with OS/2 over
Win3.1 and a similar lead in terms of the UI and resources over Windows
NT 3.1. Instead of effective marketing and attempts to lure developers to
OS/2, IBM failed to capture the attention of developers and consumer
alike because of their unwillingness to commit to either group.
The graveyard is filled with the bodies of ISVs who bought into Som,
Opendoc, and OS/2 for the PowerPC.
>Had M$ operating systems not been a virtual monopoly, Apple and OS/2
>would have attracted more developers.
Please. Apple had no competition to speak of. Their reluctance to allow
other vendors to build Macs combined with their consistently higher
prices and lower choices didn't allow them to compete with PCs which had
both lower pricers and far more selections.
IBM could hardly be bullied by MS considering that made CPUs, computers,
and the OSses. Such a closed system combined with IBM's resources could
have easily allowed them too compete against MS and win.
>When you are competing with a monopoly, who's fault is it that you could
>not compete?
>
If you are competing ineffectively, the fault is your own.
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David H. McCoy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: jdk installing help
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 17:30:05 +0800
Hello everyone,
Recently I have downloaded and installed jdk1.1.6 for linux. On startup
it, it crashes and warns that it requires libXp.so.*
After reading README.linux in jdk package, it says from jdk1.1.6,
libXp.so.* printing libraries are requried.
and it suggests to upgrade X11 system if missing
Do u know how to upgrade X11 for slackware? Which package should I
download and install?
my linux configuration: slackware 96, linux 2.0.0, X11R6
Please reply me via email, thank you in advance,
William
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David H. McCoy)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:46:11 -0500
In article <778da6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>In article
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Alan Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Jeremy Mathers wrote:
>>>
>>> You have to ask yourself if it matters. Again, it is perception.
>>> Most users have no concept of the idea that an OS shouldn't crash at
>>> least once a day. Really, they just don't care. And its not like
>>> they are ever doing anything particularly critical anyway.
>>
>>And for the people that are?
>>
>>An OS should not crash...ever.
>
>In case it wasn't clear, my original post was not defending (or pro-) MS.
>And I agree with you that a *real* OS shouldn't crash.
>
>But I think it is pretty clear that if you are using Win9x/NT, you
>aren't doing anything critical.
>
>
Only about 8 days into the new year and this comment takes the lead in
the narrowminded post race.
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David H. McCoy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rod Brick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: 3 button mouse difficulties
Date: 9 Jan 1999 20:26:21 GMT
I just got a Logitech Cordless Wheel Mouse from Santa Claus. It's a
three button mouse with one of those little roller thingies as the
middle button. I've gotten the three buttons working under X by using
'gpm -t Microsoft -R -3' and by putting the following in my XF86Config
file:
Section "Pointer"
Protocol "MouseSystems"
Device "/dev/gpmdata"
I know that gpm says Microsoft, and XF86Config says MouseSystems, but
this is the only combo of things that seems to work correctly. The
problem I'm having is with cut and paste. About half the time, when I
click the middle button to paste, I get two copies of the text. The
other half of the time, I get the desired one copy. I've tried
tinkering with gpm and the -i (interval) option, but this doesn't seem
to do anything. I'm going to have to go back to emulating 3 button
because this way is just too troublesome. Any advice would be
appreciated.
Also, I'd like to change the acceleration rate using 'gpm -a' but the
man page doesn't specify what kind of values are valid, I have no idea
what to try. Thanks.
Rod
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From: William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to HEX DUMP an ascii file?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 02:36:17 +0800
As I remember, od command will help you
Vern wrote:
> Hi.
>
> What is the command and syntax to do a simple hex dump of an ascii file?
>
> I would like to pipe it to a file and then use it to proof read a file we are
> having problems with to see if there are any transparent or imbedded extra
> cr, lf tabs etc....
>
> I tried looking for a dump command with no luck. Thanks !!!!!
>
> Relax its only ONES and ZEROS
>
> Vern
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and OCR software
Date: 9 Jan 1999 20:13:00 GMT
Mark Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Location: /pub/software/Linux/Applications
: FILE -rw-r--r-- 2771856 May 21 1997 xocr_4_1.english.tar.gz
Yes, but has anyone actually gotten XOCR to _work_?
--
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a useless old expression, it means / passing time until you die." : the West
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter S. Frouman)
Subject: Re: Root via Telnet
Date: 8 Jan 1999 20:42:12 GMT
On Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:15:21 -0000, Sean Connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>How do you prevent/allow root from loging in via telnet ?.
To prevent root logins via telnet, make sure only local terminals (usually
tty1-8) are listed in /etc/securetty. Also assuming you are using PAM,
make sure the pam_securetty.so module is required. To allow them, simply
add remote terminals (ttyp*) to /etc/securetty. Note that the reccomended
procedure is login as a normal user and then su to root. You should also
check other services such as ftp and ssh which might allow or deny root
logins. root should be listed in /etc/ftpusers (list of users who cannot
login via ftp) and /etc/ssh/sshd_config (or wherever your ssh config files
are) should contain the line 'PermitRootLogin no'
--
-Peter Frouman | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zippy says:
How's the wife? Is she at home enjoying capitalism?
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From: "Keith G. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 14:47:58 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Victor Danilchenko wrote:
>
> Jerry Lynn Kreps wrote:
> >
> > Victor Danilchenko wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > P.S. I have just finished reading Dawkins's "The Selfish Gene". He has a
> > > very interesting example there -- how a society of "hawks" (aggressors)
> > > and "doves" (passives) balances out. Turns out that the the state to
> > > which such a society will naturally lean, is a not very good one. A much
> > > better overall benefit might be arrived at by implementing artificial
> > > conventions. FSF is proposing such a convention, which will lead to a
> > > greater overall society good than the current model.
> >
> > So, is Dawkin's proposing that a command-and-control structure imposed
> > upon a society is better for that society than the freedom and liberty
> > of it individuals to make their own choices?
>
> No, he is proposing nothing of the sort. His statement is a
> game-theoretic analysis of evolutionary strategies; I have merely cited
> it as an example that a state at which universal individualism and
> selfishness leave you, is not necessarily the most beneficial state for
> all. let me restate in greater detail Dawkins's example.
>
> > If that is the essence of
> > his proposal then that philosophy has already been tried and proven to
> > be a colossal failure after a 70 year experiment that costs the lives of
> > over 100 million people. Doesn't sound like a "better overall benefit"
> > to me.
> > That experiment proved that in the long run elitist only end up making
> > things better for themselves and their allies, and worse for the masses
> > they claim to have such a concern for.
>
> OK, here goes.
> Suppose you have a society consisting of two groups of individuals:
> "doves" and "hawks". Hawks, when encountering another individual, always
> attack; doves, when attacked, always retreat. When a dove encounters
> another dove, they posture until one of them gets bored or decides it is
> no longer worth his time; the dove who persevered is considered a
> winner.
> Now let us assign values to different outcomes.
>
> Winning an encounter is worth +50 points.
> Losing an encounter is worth zero points.
> Getting hurt (i.e. losing an encounter between two hawks) is worth -100
> points.
> Wasting time (as in encounter between two doves) is worth -100 points.
>
> Now, in society of all doves, the average eoutcome per encounter is +15
> (mean ot +50 for winning and 0 for losing, -10 for wasting time for each
> participant).
> In society of all hawks, the average outcome is worth -25 (mwean of +50
> for winning and -100 for losing painfully).
> However, in a society of all doves, a hawk can get a mean benefit of
> +50 (it will always win, since doves always retreat when attacked).
> Similarly, in a society of all hawks, doves will prosper, since their
> mean outcome is 0 (they never win, but theyt also never get hurt).
>
> This seems like it would lead to an oscillation -- however, if you do
> the math, you will realize that in a society where 5/12 of the
> population are doves and 7/12 are hawks, the mean payoff for everyone is
> the same -- 6.25. This is a state towards which the population will
> naturally gravitate, because under any other ratio, either hawks or
> doves will be able to prosper more than the other. This is what Dawking
> calls "Evolutionary Stable Strategy" -- one that is not necessarily
> best, but which is not open to abuses by its members.
> Now compare this NATURAL mean utility (6.25) with one a society of all
> doves can achieve (15). The latter is obviously much more beneficial to
> all, but has to be enforced somehow.
> So, please drop your passionate anti-communist rhetorics, and simply
> think about what I am trying to say -- that what FSF proposes is
> something that would increase the society's overall utility (they are
> essentially proposing a way to artificially decrease the # of "hawks" --
> artificially, because any such altruistic decision is against our
> genetic programming)
>
I know I'm getting in this really, really late, but --
That's a nice analysis. But who *enforces* (your word) this admittedly
unnatural state of affairs? Seems like we'd have to hire some hawks.
And, hawks being hawks...
Hmmm, might be a replay of that 70-year experiment that was mentioned...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E Larson)
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 20:38:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> David Steuber wrote in message ...
>> >d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox) writes:
>> >
>> >-> This is such a standard crackpot rant. "Everyone I talk to agrees
>> >-> with me, these polls must be full of it." I think it was invented by
>> >-> Rush Limbaugh. Its a convenient way to get people to ignore facts.
>> >
>> >The only fact we have is that someone posted that a consumer poll said
>> >that 81% of consumers thought that Microsoft was good for the market,
>> >or something. That poster neglected to site the specific poll in
>> >question, so we don't even know if such a poll took place.
>>
>> Would you believe the publisher was the Consumer Federation of
>> America?
>
>who the hell is that? is it some kind of front group with misleading
>title funded by microsoft?
>
Yes, as is obvious from this article -
http://www.theregister.co.uk/990109-000004.html they are fully in funded by
Microsoft.
<sarcasm dripping>
Paul
Get rid of the blahs to email me :}
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 14:26:53 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David H. McCoy)
spake unto us, saying:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>>Speak for yourself. I've had a very difficult time of it for the past
>>few years finding the applications I want (and I've succeeded!) even
>>though I chose a technically superior desktop solution for my home PC
>>six years ago (when I left Windows 3.1 for OS/2 2.1).
>
>[This is not address to the author, but rather a response to his
>article.]
I normally killfile you, David, because of your asinine postings in the
comp.os.os2.* hierarchy which IMhO disrupt normal activity there, but
I'll address this posting directly.
>Speak for yourself. OS/2 has ceased being a superior solution do to
>IBM's not developing OS/2 properly.
Don't presume to speak for me, dipwick. I prefer OS/2 to both Windows
95 and Windows NT Workstation (I have all of them here), and for me
it's a better solution.
You know as well as I do that OS/2 wipes the floor with Windows 95 on
technical grounds (not with NT, but NT isn't a general home desktop OS
yet either).
>When I felt that OS/2 was not meeting my needs, I purchased Windows NT,
>compared it to OS/2, in other words, they competed, and I found NT to
>be the better product.
Yes, we know. You've been infesting the OS/2 non-advocacy newsgroups
for months telling us all about it.
>By Richard's definition, Apple has harmed consumers because they
>couldn't find a copy of Corel Office.
I'm insinuating that Microsoft's monopoly position in the desktop OS
market has removed the ability to easily use *ANY* other desktop OS in
a home of business context because many ISVs are developing for Windows
only, and most native ISVs for the other platforms are dying or dead.
When the market is in a state where real competition is impossible,
competition cannot occur.
>>Also, putting on my corporate Macintosh user hat, we've encountered a
>>number of problems obtaining new versions of various applications we
>>use quite a bit because many vendors are dropping all platforms but
>>Win32 flavors.
>
>Because they perceive Win32 as a more profitable market, in this case
>due to Apple's incompetence.
They've also dropped Solaris support. Those are the ONLY two desktop
alternatives I know of outside of OS/2 in a business context, and all
of those platforms are starting to lose basic applications (like UTS
emulators) because the developers of such tools simply cannot afford
to support anything but that one platform.
Surely it should be obvious (even to you) that a real problem exists in
the software marketplace?
>>This means that the monopoly of Windows on the desktop has harmed me
>>both in a home context and in a business context.
>
>This means that Apple and OS/2 both failed to compete properly and
>lost customers accordingly.
We'll see what the courts have to say about that. I disagree with you.
and I believe that Microsoft stacked the deck in a way such that the
other companies simply COULD not compete.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
That's not a bug, that's a FEATURE!
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:17:30 +0000
David H. McCoy wrote:
>
> This means that Apple and OS/2 both failed to compete properly and lost
> customers accordingly.
>
It is arguable that the environment prohibited "competition" thus Apple
and OS/2 could not compete. This is the nature of Anti-trust.
Had M$ operating systems not been a virtual monopoly, Apple and OS/2
would have attracted more developers.
When you are competing with a monopoly, who's fault is it that you could
not compete?
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit the Mohawk Software website: www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E Larson)
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 20:51:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Louis B. Moore)
wrote:
>"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> >
>> >The only fact we have is that someone posted that a consumer poll said
>> >that 81% of consumers thought that Microsoft was good for the market,
>> >or something. That poster neglected to site the specific poll in
>> >question, so we don't even know if such a poll took place.
>>
>> Would you believe the publisher was the Consumer Federation of America?
>
>Say netnerd have you read:
>
>http://www.stateandlocal.org/report.html
>
>"THE CONSUMER COST OF THE MICROSOFT MONOPOLY:
> $10 BILLION OF OVERCHARGES AND COUNTING
> Consumer Federation of America
> Media Access Project
> US Public Interest Research Group
> January 1999"
>
Somebody got their money's worth of FUD with that paper.
Paul
Get rid of the blahs to email me :}
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,pl.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: good office package for linux
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 20:37:56 +0000
Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> Michel Catudal wrote:
> >
> > There is no way in hell that could be downloaded, the line will go
> > dead way before it's done. What we need is to be able to get it
> > with NcFTP. Anyone who put huge file like that on the web is brain
> > dead. Most people are not using a satellite or cable hookup. Most
> > of us are stuck with shitty phone lines. At best we could get the
> > file at 98%.
> >
> I started the FTP under Netscape, taking care to write down the entire
> URL.
> When the line dropped, I restarted it by using ftp (by itself -- no
> netscape). After that, every time the lie dropped, I used a reget
> instead of a get to resume the download from where it left off.
> This worked fine.
Thanks for the tip, I'll try that. The problem with these folks is
that they think that everyone has decent phone lines or is running
a cable modem. Around here most people run the exploder on their
machine because it came with it and it is impossible to download
netscape from the web. Those who can don't need any security and know
about cuteFTP download netscape thru the ftp site.
The same goes for this star office package. When I saw the size and
that I could not get it from the ftp I said fuck no!
It took me close to two weeks to download the Netscape secure version
which is only available thru the web. This is 14M. To think that I
could download anything bigger would border insanity.
The FCC rules say that the phone company must provide a nice clean
9600 baud signal. We get a reasonable connection at 31k, no higher.
For a safe download 9600 would be it but then the ISP might kick us
off for having been on a bit too long. It seems that every day around
5:30 and 11:30 the line goes off for some reason. My system would
redial right away but a download with the web would die with no
possibitity of recovery. With NcFTP I'm able to recover unless it is
an NT site which doesn't support reget.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: tkdesk questions
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 20:43:45 GMT
I'd like the tkdesk file manager to store the fact that I want a long
listing with all files shown, and I'd like it to remember its window
size and position too. Tried the "save all now" menu item but it
didn't seem to save anything. What's the trick?
I'd like to use the builtin editor as my default fvwm2 editor until I
get used to Xemacs. Is the builtin editor callable without having all
of tkdesk running? Or independently callable while the rest of tkdesk
is running?
I usually am running fvwm2 on my X userid. I notice that if I start
ktdesk, then tell fvwm2 to restart, ktdesk doesn't go away during the
process. What's the relationship between fvwm2 and ktdesk in this
configuration? Are they both simply X applications that perform a
desktop/shell functionality and run completely independently of one
another?
Thanks for clues; I'm learning this stuff, but only having a small
daily ration of Linux-time, it's slow going. -steve
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