Linux-Misc Digest #535, Volume #27 Thu, 5 Apr 01 02:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: migrating /home from / (Christian Huebner)
Re: migrating /home from / (Christian Huebner)
Re: I would like to register a complaint ... (Christian Huebner)
Re: I would like to register a complaint ... (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: Using RPM with RH5.2 ("Peter T. Breuer")
Netscape question (language encoding) (Zaki)
Re: I would like to register a complaint ... ("Peter T. Breuer")
LINUX FEVER magazine ... check it out! (tom)
LVS - load balancing 2 web servers (SolarisCert)
Re: Using RPM with RH5.2 (KCmaniac)
Lost access to hard drive! (Jay Martin)
Re: I would like to register a complaint ... (Dan Smith)
Can't shutdown X windows (mike)
Re: Free Telnet Servers (David Efflandt)
Re: CDR writing with SCSI emulation stops ppp transfers (Bill Unruh)
Re: Netscape question (language encoding) (E J)
Re: Using RPM with RH5.2 (Alex)
Re: Can't shutdown X windows ("green")
Re: Unusual mount problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Christian Huebner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: migrating /home from /
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:14:38 -0700
Samuel Hocevar wrote:
>
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:51:38 -0700,
> Christian Huebner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 5) Transfer your data. I dont recomment using cp or mv. I suggest using
> > tar instead. ( cd /home; tar cf - * |(cd /mnt; tar xvf -) )
>
> I'd actually recommend using cp (with the '-a' flag). Or tar, but
> with the additional 'p' flag.
Right. Forgot about that. Thats what you get from giving advice after
a 12h-day ;)
Chris
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From: Christian Huebner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: migrating /home from /
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:16:08 -0700
John Thompson wrote:
>
> I'd suggest another step: make sure you have a working bootable
> linux floppy before you begin. By changing the number and types
> of your existing partitons there is a very good chance that lilo
> will not be able to find your kernel when you reboot. If this
> happens, boot from your floppy and re-run lilo to write the new
> information to the boot record.
He specifically said he was not changing his Linux-/-Partition, so
I omitted the step. But you are right:
Always have a Linux bootfloppy or boot-CD!
Chris
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From: Christian Huebner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I would like to register a complaint ...
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:17:40 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > KCmaniac wrote:
> > > I realize this isn't the argument clinic, but I would like to register a
> > > complaint.
> > >
> > > There is a very fundemental concept in the DOS/Windows world of being
> > > able to format a partition, after which you can begin again compiling
> > > data into that empty but very much functional partition. WHY DOESN'T
> > > LINUX HAVE AN EQUIVALENT COMMAND/FUNCTION???
> >
> > Err... what's wrong with "mkfs?"
>
> Hah, hah! April Fools!
>
> It is an April Fools joke, right? Nobody could possibly be so stupid
> as to think that...
You seem not to have an idea just how stupid some ppl are :-(
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: I would like to register a complaint ...
Date: 4 Apr 2001 23:21:04 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, hoffmyster wrote:
> ...
>The DOS format command destroys everything then rebuilds the fs with whatever
>it needs.
the availability of the unformat command seems to indicate that format does
*not* destroy everything. just like mkfs, it removes the accesspaths to
whotever is on the partition and builds a new access structure.
>In Linux it appears the closest thing is rm -rf *. This wipes out all files
>and directories under the current directory without touching the filesystem,
>ie. superblocks, inodes, etc. Then you can write whatever you want back into
>the "empty" partition right away. Of course you wouldn't want to do this to a
>partition on the installation you have booted up in and are currently running.
>I am talking about "formatting" a partition on totally another hard drive that
>I mounted onto the current system.
is this a new hard drive? has it been partitioned? if it has been
partitioned, mkfs will do just fine
> ...
hs
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Using RPM with RH5.2
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:05:19 +0200
KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>> > Not sure what you mean. RH5.2 is the version I installed from a CD a
>> > year or so ago. It is what I am using. The RPM version 3.0.1 is what
>> > came with it. I am not being able to replace earlier versions of any(it
>> > appears) package on my system with newer versions. I am trying to
>>
>> That's because they are not FOR you!
>>
>> > upgrade packages to bring it up to the 7.0 version. But, I am always
>>
>> You can't. 7.0 is not binary compatible with 6.2, let alone 5.2.
>> That's what a major number hike means, essentially (apart from when
>> the marketing department gets in on the act ..): incompatible.
>>
>> > "packages with major number <= 3 are not supported by this version of
>> > RPM." What is a major number?
>>
>> What it says. Do you care? You are trying to install an rpm 4 format
>> package with an rpm 3 and that's what you need to know, not what it
>> means. You want to know the effect, and how to handle it, not the
>> semantics. No, Don't. You can't. And even if you could, you
>> couldn't, because the package contents are not FOR you.
> Well, who are they for? I'm not sure what you are talking about.
They're for OTHER people. People with RH 7, for example. And the
statements above seem clear as day to me! Where is your particular
difficulty?
>> Or do you think that people package upgrades for your distro in a
>> package format that your distro can't handle?
> What? What in the hell did I say to set YOU off? I am asking a very innocent
Nothing is setting me off. I am pointing out the flaw in your logic in
short words that you may be able to understand. And when you say
"innocent", you mean "unthinking, naive, uninformed, etc. etc.".
> question looking for help with this matter and it seems I am being accosted by
> you.
No, you are not. If you want to be accosted walk through harlem on a
dark evening.
>> > Can you shed any light on this?
>>
>> It means what it says. Man rpm .. or open a dictomoanary.
> FYI I have done all the reading I have felt necessary to get a good enough
Then try again, this time with chapter one of a software engineering
book.
> grasp on what I needed to do before I tried it. It didn't work. I looked
> around some more. I have never seen anything that has said that one can not
> upgrade from 5.2 to 7.0 let alone 6.2 to 7.0. Is that what you are saying?
Of course you can't! That's WHY they are are numbered with different
majors. The whole science of software engineering is based
upon distinguishing between minor and major releases. Or haven't you
noticed that word 6 can't read word 7 formats?
Are you perhaps confused over what the word "upgrade" means? It does
not mean "throw away everything you have and replace it with something
new". The word for that is "replace". If you want to replace RH 5.2
with RH 7.0, fine.
> Why are all those packages at the mirror ftp sites available if you can't use
> them? The RedHat site has a web page(with links) dedicated to providing
Because They Are Not For You. They Are For Other People. Lile the
people with RH 7.0.
Do I have to repeat it again?
> information on upgrading to 7.0. No where in this information says what you
Not "UPGRADING"! "Changing". RH 7 is NOT an upgrade of 6.2 (still less
of 5.2). It is a different major release, though not such a wild
departure as 7.0 is from 6.2. It is binary incompatible. It has its
own new fresh bugs that 6.2 didn't have. Its packages do not mix with
the packages of 5.2 or 6.2. It's configuration files are different.
5.2 is the end of the line for upgrades. You
can switch to 6.2 or 7.0.1 (or whatever RH is at), but you will be replacing
every single thing on your system, and leaving not one smidgeon of what you
had before behind.
Clear?
> are saying. This is the first time I heard anything like this.
> What in all your wisdom do you suggest I do or is that too much to ask?
Nothing. Do precisely nothing. Take RHs errata for 5.2 and apply them.
Your distro is maintained. Be happy. You are serviced.
If you are not happy with RH 5.2, switch to a different distro .. like
RH6.2 or Mandrake 7.1 or debian 2.2 or slackware 7.1, etc. etc.
Peter
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:16:24 -0400
From: Zaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape question (language encoding)
Hi,
i am new to netscape specialy the linux version. I just installed
mandrake 7.2 with netscape 4.75 and i want to set it so i can view
websites other than english and other than the options i have in
preferences...In internet explorer it automatically asks when viewing a
page with an encoding not availble, and it downloads it automaticaly, if
someone can please help me with netscape in how to add the support to
view different languages...thanks
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I would like to register a complaint ...
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:13:11 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> KCmaniac wrote:
>> > I realize this isn't the argument clinic, but I would like to register a
>> > complaint.
>> >
>> > There is a very fundemental concept in the DOS/Windows world of being
>> > able to format a partition, after which you can begin again compiling
>> > data into that empty but very much functional partition. WHY DOESN'T
>> > LINUX HAVE AN EQUIVALENT COMMAND/FUNCTION???
>>
>> Err... what's wrong with "mkfs?"
> Hah, hah! April Fools!
> It is an April Fools joke, right? Nobody could possibly be so stupid
> as to think that...
He appears to have a rather strange misconception stuck in his brain.
But it seems to be genuine.
Someone mentioned something about msdos not distinguishing the concepts
of the underlying partition and the FS structure laid over it, and that
may be where his problem comes from. Perhaps he's simply "word blind"
to the two, and hence he assigns attributes randomly to the wrong one
at the wrong times ... rather like westerners randomly hearing a certain
japanese syllable sometimes as an l when they are expecting an r, and
spmetimes as an r when they are expecing an l (it's the same sound,
halfway between, each time).
Peter
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:29:54 -0400
From: tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: SolarisCert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LVS - load balancing 2 web servers
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:24:57 +0800
I would like to set up VS-NAT for load-balancing 2 real web servers
here is the details:
load balancer IP:
eth0 203.84.123.123
eth1 172.16.0.1
2 real servers IP:
172.16.0.2
172.16.0.3
Here is what I type in load balancer:
echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 172.16.0.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0
ipvsadm -A -t 203.84.123.123:80 -s rr
ipvsadm -a -t 203.84.123.123:80 -r 172.16.0.2:80 -m
ipvsadm -a -t 203.84.123.123:80 -r 172.16.0.3:80 -m
When I use lynx outside to test, it shows me the web site in round robin
style.
But when I use Netscape or IE, it does not. And the response is very
very slow.
I've tried to delete cache once in every trial.
Any body has the same experience?
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From: KCmaniac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Using RPM with RH5.2
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:32:58 -0400
Alex wrote:
> From my understanding, you can't upgrade your rpm from 3.0.1 to 4.0.2
> directly.
>
> Try to upgrade your rpm to version 3.0.5-9 (if there are packages for
> RH5.x). After that, you might be able to upgrade to 4.0.2. Other then
> rpm, you also need to db3 package.
>
> I am running 6.2; therefore, I can't say it will work for you for sure.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
Thank you, Alex. And thanks for your helpful tone as opposed to a
high-flutent, snotty, smartass type response that I get sometimes from some
of these Liniots.
They figure no one has done any reading about anything except themselves.
It seems like so many here automatically assume you have not done any
homework on the subject before posting here. I don't know where this Peter
guy was coming from. But I've said enough.
What you say makes since. I just don't understand why that has not been
documented any where. I have been to the rpm.org site. I have been through
the HOW-TO a couple of times and have read plently of other documentation
and you would think I would have seen something about this somewhere.
I'll try what you are suggesting. Thank you. Boy, what a mess.
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From: Jay Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse
Subject: Lost access to hard drive!
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:42:44 -0500
I've lost access to my second hard drive (hdc1). It's worked fine for a
few weeks now and suddenly i cannot mount or access files on it. Here
is what I am getting for errors when trying to mount:
O/S Suse 7.1
root@likmutwa:/etc > mount /dev/hdc1
mount: /dev/hdc1 is not a valid block device
Any suggestions on how to fix? I've provided xconsole erros and fstab
files below.
Thanks,
Jay
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Console log for linux
Mar 28 00:04:22 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module ide-disk
Mar 28 00:04:22 linux kernel: hdc: driver not present
Also getting:
Console log for linux
Mar 28 04:38:34 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
char-major-145
Mar 28 04:38:34 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
char-major-145
Mar 28 04:38:34 linux kernel: agpgart: Trying generic Ali routines for
device
id: 1621
Fstab file
/dev/hda3 / ext2 defaults 1 1
/dev/hda1 /boot ext2 defaults 1 2
/dev/cdrecorder /cdrecorder auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0
/dev/cdrom /cdrom auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0
/dev/fd0 /floppy auto noauto,user 0 0
proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hdc1 /windows/C vfat noauto,user 0 0
/dev/hda2 swap swap defaults 0 2
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From: Dan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I would like to register a complaint ...
Date: 04 Apr 2001 12:03:54 -0400
<smirk> :)
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't shutdown X windows
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:50:34 -0400
.
Hi,
I am using Redhat 6.1 and somehow, X windows keeps
rebooting itself when I try to shut it down. I checked
/etc/inittab and it is set for runlevel 3. When I give the
command "runlevel", it gives me "3" also.
Thanks
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Free Telnet Servers
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:01:47 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:32:07 GMT, Ninja IX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello
>
>Does anyone know any list or just one telnet or rlogin server, allowing
>anonymous users to log in and use basic shell commands
>
>It could be usefull to make tests from outside on a internet-connected box.
You can get a free shell account somewhere. One such list is
http://freeshells.jwdx.com/
But it is best to use ssh when connecting over the internet. There are
also websites that can port scan you. One such site can do a quick scan
in a few minutes or a more extensive scan including udp in about 1/2 hr
(short test is CGI and long test is e-mailed to you).
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: CDR writing with SCSI emulation stops ppp transfers
Date: 5 Apr 2001 05:33:43 GMT
In <mVLy6.1752$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Eric Potter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
]In article <3aca71c4$0$42877$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dances With
]Crows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
]> On 3 Apr 2001 17:17:53 GMT, Esa Tikka staggered into the Black Sun and
]> said:
]>>On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:01:47 GMT, Eric Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
]>>wrote:
]>>>This is a weird one, but whenever I write a disk with my IDE CDRW, any
]>>>downloads via my dial-up modem stop immediately. If I stop writing the
Try irqtune
www.best.com/~cae/irqtune/
This gives the serial ports a higher priority than the disks.
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape question (language encoding)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 05:41:01 GMT
Edit->Preference->Navigator->Languages
Add the languages you want.
Netscape 6.01 does a better job of handling language than Netscape 4.76.
Zaki wrote:
> Hi,
> i am new to netscape specialy the linux version. I just installed
> mandrake 7.2 with netscape 4.75 and i want to set it so i can view
> websites other than english and other than the options i have in
> preferences...In internet explorer it automatically asks when viewing a
> page with an encoding not availble, and it downloads it automaticaly, if
> someone can please help me with netscape in how to add the support to
> view different languages...thanks
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From: Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Using RPM with RH5.2
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:58:09 -0400
KCmaniac wrote:
<snip>
> What you say makes since. I just don't understand why that has not been
> documented any where. I have been to the rpm.org site. I have been
> through
> the HOW-TO a couple of times and have read plently of other
> documentation
> and you would think I would have seen something about this somewhere.
>
<snip>
I forgot to mention, before you upgrade to 4.0.2, do note that some of
the programs might not run after the upgrade.
This is one of the place you can download rpm version 3.0.9-5
http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHEA-2000-051-01.html
Please take a look at the following web page.
(this is the place you can find packages of rpm version 4.0.2
http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2001-016.html
Note: Please pay special attention to the "Several potential problems"
part. You really want to read it
;-)
Hope this helps.
Alex.
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From: "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't shutdown X windows
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:50:42 +1000
check the inittab file. (I know you checked the run level but this is
different)
check the runlevel's xdm, kdm, gdm starts on.
make sure it isn't 3 as well as 4 (5 in my case mandrake default setup.)
like
x:34:respawn:/etc/X11/xdm
instead of
x:4:respawn:/etc/X11/xdm
extract from my one.
5:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty5
6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6
# Run xdm in runlevel 5
# xdm is now a separate service
x:5:respawn:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> .
> Hi,
> I am using Redhat 6.1 and somehow, X windows keeps
> rebooting itself when I try to shut it down. I checked
> /etc/inittab and it is set for runlevel 3. When I give the
> command "runlevel", it gives me "3" also.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Unusual mount problem
Date: 5 Apr 2001 05:54:41 GMT
In comp.os.linux.setup Dennis Bayrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2. When I run MC and try to view the same partition - I can't see
> ANYTHING (Yes I am navigating to the right place in the filesystem)
> 3. When I exit MC and run X (Gnome 1.0) - I still can't see anything with
> GMC.
Well, since it's working in the console I think that the mount
is working well. Maybe is a problem related to MC/Gnome, but
I can't see a way to solve it.
BTW, I have an NTFS partition on my machine and I can see it
in KDE, so maybe is a problem of Gnome.
Davide
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