Linux-Misc Digest #552, Volume #18 Sun, 10 Jan 99 16:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: 2038 and Linux (Christopher B. Browne)
HELP SUPPORT LINUX SOFTWARE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: window colors in X. . . (Steve Harvey)
Re: Setting up RH 5.1 as its own mail server (Stefan Davids)
Re: howto?: run fortune at login (Jeff Kay)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... ("OmniČ")
Re: ISO encoding in the console (Frank Steuer)
Re: rescue on RH 5.0/5.1 (Sydney Weidman)
Re: [Famous Finn] Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help (Shaygetz)
Re: [Famous Finn] Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... ("OmniČ")
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Irv Mullins)
mars and novell (Wayne Kelly)
Re: Leafnode - few articles (Frank Steuer)
Re: high uptime server designs? (Leslie Mikesell)
The Hundredth Monkey Analogy... (Loren Petrich)
Re: Bob's Ignorance -- Or Is It Flamebait? (Jeremy Crabtree)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Date: 10 Jan 1999 19:58:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:29:10 +1030, Glen Turner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>Frank Sweetser wrote:
>> of course, the PPro was supposed to be the last x86 chip. and then the PII
>> was supposed to be the last x86 chip - until just recently intel seems to
>> have announced the PIII chips (heard it on slashdot).
>>
>> until winXXXX is ported to merced (or whatever it ends up being called) i
>> highly doubt they'll stop making more and more expensive versions of their
>> #1 cash cow.
>
>Yes, but as I originally wrote, the problem preventing
>an immediate time_t fix is C90 "long long" standardisation
>and support.
>
>"long long"s on i386 will almost certainly be 64-bit,
>using the same techniques we used for 32-bit integer
>support on the 16-bit architectures of not too long ago.
>
>In short, the issues are those of standards, compilers,
>libraries and distributions. Today's architectures are
>perfectly satisfactory to solve the 32-bit time_t problem.
Indeed.
>And my belief is that time_t implementation as a "long
>long" will occur naturally when C90 compilers and
>libc's make an appearance in Linux in 3 or more years.
>Even a timeframe of double this is perfectly acceptable.
It is quite acceptable, so long as we're talking about applications
where source is readily available.
*UNFORTUNATELY,* problems will arise if people feel a desparate need
to rush out and fix the problem now using less standardized means.
>64-bit support in hardware isn't really necessary for
>data -- it's appeal lies more in the ability to easily
>address file and memory sizes that once seemed huge
>but are now almost affordable.
And I could put forth a pretty strong argument that the 64 bit
transition is really a few years away yet.
There are several 64 bit architectures, but none that provide competitive
implementations as exist for IA-32. Intel is the sole source for IA-64
(if it ever gets released :-)), Digital/Compaq is the sole source for
Alpha, SGI for MIPS, Motorola/IBM for PPC, Sun for SPARC, and so forth.
There may be more than one seller, but the 64 bit architectures only have
single 'design sources.'
In contrast, there are a bunch of vendors of virtually socket-compatible
IA-32 chips with independent designs and implementations. I would argue
that the resulting aggressive levels of competitiveness that result have
resulted in the low prices for IA-32 chips. And there's nothing yet in
the 64 bit market to provide equivalent forces to pull down prices or
encourage competitive implementations.
Except perhaps Linux, as an OS that runs on all but possibly the 64 bit
MIPS chips...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: HELP SUPPORT LINUX SOFTWARE
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:46:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Linux Community/Users:
I have written some software that allows me to control my home
(appliances,lights,irrigation system, etc.) anywhere in the world through the
internet using my linux machine as a server.
I want to expand with voice recognition, webcams, temp monitoring, etc for a
Science Fair that i want to enter. I am only in high school and can't afford
the equipment so I am asking the Linux community to do me the simple favour of
going to:
http://www.x10.com/contest_entries_top_five_dec.htm AND VOTE FOR ENTRY 39
If I have the most votes by the end of January, I win a some money to
continue my project.
Thank you very much,
Nitin Bhatia
Remember: http://www.x10.com/contest_entries_top_five_dec.htm VOTE ENTRY 39
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Harvey)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: window colors in X. . .
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:37:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Norvell Spearman wrote:
>This may be a stupidly trivial question, but here goes. . .
>
>I'm running Red Hat Linux 5.1 and using fvwm2 with AnotherLevel in
>XWindows. I finally figured out---more or less---how to change the
>colors of window borders, title bars, et cetera by editing my Mwm file
>under /etc/X11/AnotherLevel/decors. But I still can't find where to
>change, for example, the border color for *inactive* windows, the
>default window background color (something besides light grey), the
>default window menu font.
>
>Like I said, this kind of question may come across as extremely
>unimportant, but I'm mainly asking because it's like ``I can change half
>the options for XWindows, but can't find where to change the other
>half---shouldn't they be in at least the same directory?''
First off, and I know it's an utterly trivial point, but there's no such
program as "XWindows" - it's actual name is just "X" or "The X Windowing
System" (and yeah I know everybody knows what you mean, but it *is* the
name of a specific piece of software, and I guess I just like to be
accurate when I can... :D)
Anyway, not being familiar with the specifics of fvwm (I use olvwm myself), I
don't know the definitive answer to your question, but have you tried
reading the relevant man pages for your window manager? I'm not being
flip - the config files themselves are pretty well documented, but the
man pages should contain a more complete list of what resources are
configurable. Quite possibly the answer will be to add a couple of lines
to your ~/.Xdefaults file or fvwmrc.
Also, I recommend taking a look at http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/ - it's
an excellent repository of info for all the popular X window managers,
and contains lots of sample config files to explore.
-Steve
--
Practice random senselessness and act kind of beautiful.
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From: Stefan Davids <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Setting up RH 5.1 as its own mail server
Date: 10 Jan 1999 18:47:43 GMT
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've read a thousand articles on how to setup Linux as a network mail
>server, but I want to do something far less complex. I have a static
>IP for my machine, and it's on a LAN. What I want to do is make it a
>mail server for *incoming* mail. I just want it to collect any
>messages sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (foo.com being my machine which has a
>domain name) and put these messages in the users' mailbox. I have
>setup Pine to *send* mail, but there seems to be a problem with
>receiving it. Whenever I send mail to it, I get the "we do not relay"
>answer from the mail server (foo.com). I looked in /etc/mail and
>there was no documentation on how to edit these files, but I believe
>they are the source of the problem. Any other suggestions would be
>welcomed. Thanks for your help!
Add every domain for which you should accept mail to /etc/sendmail.cw (it
might be in /etc/mail). In your case I guess it should contain localhost and
foo.com, one per line. Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will go into foo's mailbox.
Then restart sendmail. (I assume you are using sendmail? Even though you
don't say.....)
/etc/mail stuff often controls who is allowed to rely mail off you (for
instance if you have mail clients on other computers that want to use your
machine to send mail to nonlocal users). If you need to do anything like
that you need to post what version of sendmail you use since the format and
files have changed.
Stefan
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From: Jeff Kay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: howto?: run fortune at login
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:37:39 +0000
Hey Tone
> One of my books says to put a line into my '.login' file. Well, I don't have
> one on RedHat 5.2. If I write one where should it go?
Well, you can put a .login file in each users directory so ~/.login... thats
it... ie in your home directory just open up your favorite text editor and type
( source .login -- I think this is right, whatever the book said ) and save it a
s .login
Just give a copy to each user on your system
> Thanks in advance, Tone
Your welcome
jeff
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From: "OmniČ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:17:03 +1100
Jeff Kay wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>create a file.... depends on what you want to do? word editing? use emacs
....
>file new ( ie type emacs... then click file...then new -- save when your
>done...bang no different than in windows just a different program )
>
>on the command line "" >> filename
>
>will create an empty file then emacs filename... or Lyx filename or joe
>filename or pico filename etc...
thank you
that also worked
great now I feel a tad better
>> >While in your eyes learning linux may be like learning chinese a) over a
>> >billion people have done it ( not linux, chinese ) and b) at least at
the
>> >end you would have had the satitsfaction of having accomplished
something
>> >you consider difficult....
>>
>> its not really a challenge
>> learning C or 80x86 assembler was a challenge
>> I meant that it just didnt flow right , from the start
>> hell I couldnt even have installed the thing
>> if the CD I had didnt have an autoboot funtion on it
>Interesting that you know 80x86 assembler or c and you cant figure out
>unix(linux).... Considering that unix was developed by the same guys who
>developed C I'd say the logic is the same....
you mean unix - ritchie & co , I thought linus somebody wrote linux
>Geez... my autoboot didn't work and I still installed it.... If fact I
copied
>the dosutils dir to my c:\ drive and ran autoboot from there.... ( and I
have a
>CD bootable comp. )
same here
but I just typed autorun or autosomething and the autoboot kicked off
you must of used the CD with the penguin on the cover as well?
>If its not an accomplishment for you then I dont know why you're having so
much
>trouble.... Chinese for sure as hell would be and it makes perfect sense
once
>you realise that it is not the same as english or any germanic language and
>adapt to an new way of doing things..... "yu gotta remeber dude" you
brought up
>the chinese thing.......
>
>> yu gotta remember dude
>> I'm talking like 10 minutes after instalation
>> well 10 minutes after a MSDOS installation
>> I was cruising
>> I didnt have a headache like I do with linsux
>
>Ten minutes after never having used dos before and never having read
anything
>about dos and you were wizzing along huh...whatever......and now you cant
do it
>with linux.......
well yes , kinda with the help of norton commander :)
>Dos is no more intuitive than the linux command line ...come on... Dir
doesn't
>make sense as a command like I said... ( maybe copy does )...... how bout
>chkdsk? this isn't intuitive either since most people who tried to use DOS
>couldn't deal with the 8 character limit and would have preferred commands
like
>"check disk", "list files" etc.... DOS didn't have that ( unix could have
but
>people who used unix didn't want to type that much so they shortend the
>commands down....
>
>in DOS can you kill a program thats running in the background ( ok there is
no
>background cause DOS cant mutlitask but) Nope..... Can you do it easily in
>windows (hmm maybe ) in linux
heard of ctrl C or ctrl break?
or in dire strates ctrl alt del :)
if that fails pull the plug
done that a few times :)
>kill -9 "process id #"
sounds like win98 to me
ctr alt del -choose process , alt + e
does the same thing
>That quite literally has to be one of the biggest draws for me to unix ( ok
>there are tons of others but I have the power to kill a program "with
extreme
>prejudice" if I like even if the entire command is not intuitive, once you
>learn it...bang yer set ).
>
>So do you have X setup? use it...... You can make X look however you
>want....these people who say X looks ugly..... have you tried a different
>window manager..... how about configuring it...It can look exactly like
>win9X... exactly!...or like a MAC or NEXT or Sun or whatever psychotic
"looks"
>you can dream up.... look at Enlightenment ( www.enlightenment.org )... X
>doesn't look like anything.... looks the way you want it too.....
>
yeah?
no thanks I prefer the command line anyday
>> That you make comments such as "MS will
>> >own linux" or "that bill owns us" or "that your vcr has a better gui and
>>
>> and I agree at least my vcr looks better than x , and might I add easier
to
>> program
>>
>> and I suppose he just typed mahjong (enter)?
>>
>> get real buddy !
>
>No Omni.... I have Gnome installed....he clicked on the panelbar.....
scrolled
>up to games... clicked mahjonng and played even though the mouse is set up
to
>work different than in windows...its not click to focus like windows
etc.....
>yet he was able to adapt to the new environment quickly..
>
>People say linux is to hard to use... NO its not...once its setup properly
any
>win9X user could maneuver about X and gnome or KDE or whatever ... provided
>they have a brain in their head ( many dont )... I was pointing out that
my
>dad is proof.... Could he set up linux...no, not a chance...but once set up
>could he use it..... yes..... so can my monkey...
>
>
>> I cant even get to the CD drive
>> I type \dev\hdb andf I get permission denied
>> and I'
>> m supposed to be root
>> WTF???
>
>Well thats because...linux doesn't use \ it uses / and you dont go
/dev/cdrom
>to get the cdrom. You're too used to DOS and expect linux to work the
same...
>it doesn't..... Try VMS... its a sick conbobulation of Unix and DOS yet
once
>you are used to it...seems perfectly reasonable
>
>you type
>
>cd /mnt/cdrom
>
>if it isn't mounted... then you type
>
>
>cd /mnt
>mount -t iso9960 cdrom and then
>cd /cdrom
>ls there's your cdrom?
>
>Yes you have to be root.... to allow everyone to mount the cdrom, type as
root
>
>chmod 666 /dev/cdrom
>
>now anyone can do it
>
>there are automated tools in X to allow you to easily mount partitions (
>mounting may seem strange coming from a windows environment but there is
power
>in it and method to the madness if you took the time to learn )
>
>
>> and I'm just wondering if its going to be worth learning this illogical
OS
>> as I dont believe it has a better future than any MS product
>> we are talking user friendly here
>> after all it is PnP these days
>> and no-one can screw up a win or NT instalation
>> but look atr all the
>> "hel" posts on the unix NG's
>> I rest my case
>
>OMNI does your CDROM work in true dos mode...if not could you get it too?
Plug
>and play's great if it works.... which it doesn't all the time.. And
actually
>Omni its USB these day... hot installs etc..
>
>Omni.... there are far more posts to windows NG's concerning far less
technical
>stuff and yet people have trouble all the time...... Computers aren't tv's
you
>dont just turn them on like an appliance and have everything make
sense.....
>and I've seen this a million times ( I've helped more people than I care to
>remember setup windows....show them how to use it etc.... ). Once upon a
>time...I had no clue about computers at all...didn't understand DOS....
within
>2 weeks I was hacking the school network..... But what did I do differently
>than you.... I asked someone to take five minutes and explain to me a few
basic
>things ( commands ) and how to find out things on my own.... ie help dir
etc...
>Then I watched other people and very quickly became extremely competant....
>Does this make me special.... NO..... but it is the difference between
being
>willing to learn and bitching that it should be obvious.....
I wasnt really bitching
well yes I was
but hey I have set up 7 diferent OS on 7 systems for clients
NT x 2 , mac OS , pick , win98 , sco (which was a breeze BTW)
in 3 days
and linux was the last straw
I've had 6 hrs sleep in all that time and 2 oz jars of coffee
>As far as no one screwing up a win or NT install...talk to MS help...ask
them
>how many people have..... the numbers are amazing... people do it all the
time.
>People who really dont understand what they're doing do it all the time ...
is
>it easier than linux.... ya I think so in some cases...not all... but
windows
>is by no means perfect and most people never have to install it....
>
>If your having trouble and you actually want to learn...ask question NICELY
and
>people will help.... hell you could have even emailed me.. if you dont want
to
>learn WHY did you bother? just cause its free? cause you thought you'd be
>cool? why?
>
>When you want help come ask...
>
>until then... do this ( if ofcourse you're still interested )..... fire up
>netscape
>
>point it a /usr/doc and read or type xman and read some of the
commands......
>
>cheers
>
>jeff
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Steuer)
Subject: Re: ISO encoding in the console
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:08:34 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Powe wrote:
>
>I have a problem with ISO-Latin encoding in the console mode.
>
>I used to have this set up right; but since I've "upgraded" my system
>I seem to have inadvertently destroyed my settings. I've had `setfont
>iso01.f16' in my .login for a long time and if I do `showfont' at the
>prompt, I see all the extended characters; but, they don't show up in
>emacs.
I had similar problems with german umlauts after using 'setfont'.
Try 'loadunimap' after setfont.
Frank
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From: Sydney Weidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: rescue on RH 5.0/5.1
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:18:10 GMT
Yuval Krymolowski wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've made a mistake and entered '*' in the /etc/passwd entry of
> root. So now I can't login. Could you please suggest me how to
> gain access to that file ? My machine has Win95/NT/EXT2 partitions.
> I thought about using rescue mode, how to operate it in RH5.0 ?
> I also have a boot diskette.
You'll have to boot with the boot diskette and then edit the /etc/passwd
file. Just erase the * and save the file. Then when you reboot and login,
you just type root and then press enter when it asks you for a password.
Then you can give yourself a new password by typing:
passwd
Linux will prompt you for the old password, which of course is null, so
just hit enter and then type your new password.
> Another question - how do I change the size of the cache (as presented
> in 'top') ?
I think it says "cached" at the top of top. As far as I know, that
parameter cannot be set the way, say, swap file size can be set.
> Thanks
> Yuval Krymolowski
>
Hope this helps.
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From: Shaygetz <"s m c q u a l e"@i x.n e t c o m.c o m>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [Famous Finn] Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:14:39 -0500
"OmniČ" wrote:
>
>
> I didnt say copy a file , dickwad
> (read it next time)
> I said create a file , from nothing
>
Unix has two ways of doing that:
echo > foo
and
touch foo
So there on you.
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From: "OmniČ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [Famous Finn] Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:28:18 +1100
echo has the capability of saving , yeah?
I dont think so
but I'll try it just the same
I apologize
tanx amigo
Shaygetz <"s m c q u a l e"@i x.n e t c o m.c o m> > wrote in message
<77b1nm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>"OmniČ" wrote:
>>
>>
>> I didnt say copy a file , dickwad
>> (read it next time)
>> I said create a file , from nothing
>>
>
>Unix has two ways of doing that:
>
>echo > foo
>
>and
>
>touch foo
>
>So there on you.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:01:26 +0000
From: Irv Mullins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Verbal Kent wrote:
> Linux rules, Linux Sucks,
>
> Before everyone goes yelping on the Linux Band wagon, and downs
> MS Windows, Linux has about as much shot as taking out MS (whatever), as
> hell freezing over! I use both win98 and Linux, and I tell you now,
> these 2 oses serve 2 distinct purposes, for power users, "hackers",
> Linux, is on par with Windows NT, but if you give Linux to My mom she
> wouldn't know what the hell to do, cause half of the time I don't know
> what the hell to do in Linux!!!
Don't be so hard on your mom. I'm sure she could type her name, and thenclick on the
Netscape icon on my Linux box to get on the internet.
Or click on another icon to do word processing / spreadsheets, etc.
If you can't, then maybe you should ask if you were adopted.;)
Irv
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From: Wayne Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mars and novell
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:29:18 +0200
Hi
Does anyone know how well the "mars" novell emulation software works. We
are trying to make a linux server that will replace two other servers.
We need NT emulation and Novell emulation. The NT emulation is not a
problem. We don't have a novell emulation. Please advise.
Thanks
Wayne
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Steuer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Leafnode - few articles
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:27:38 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pietro Montelatici wrote:
>I've just installed Leafnode. I configured it with no limits set (no maxfetch,
>no maxcrosspost, no maxage) apart for initialfetch = 100.
>
>I run fetch -f, everything fine. I run fetch -vv, ok. I run fetch -vv again
>after 24h and it downloaded only few articles from all the subscribed groups.
>Too few.
try also fetch -n
This avoids automatic unsubscription of news groups.
This don't unlink files in the interesting.groups directory.
See man fetch.
Frank
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: high uptime server designs?
Date: 9 Jan 1999 17:35:01 -0600
In article <777mlu$8cm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andy Rabagliati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I am trying to set up a machine with the goal of having a minimum of
>>downtime and/or data loss for any reason. Actually this will be
>>a pair of machines where the one in actual production has drives
>>periodically rsync'd to a second machine that is set up so it
>>can do an alternate boot to those drives if necessary to come up
>>as a complete replacement.
>My problem has been databases. I do not trust rsync to do a
>database update.
I need this too, but on a different set of machines.
>I use sybase right now, and we are looking towards dumping the
>transaction log every 5 minutes, and copying it across.
Can sybase put it's transaction log on a different drive than
the main database? I'm using Postgresql and it doesn't have
a concept like that so I am (mostly) logging the sql statements
in the client code so I could redo the most important things
if needed. I'd like something like a transaction log written
over NFS to the backup machine's disk if that were possible.
>Every hour we dump the whole database (a Sybase command) and
>copy that across. When the second machine takes over it imports
>the last full dump plus incrementals.
I'm doing similar dumps but haven't automated the update on the
backup machine yet.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: The Hundredth Monkey Analogy...
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:04:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Fleming) wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 21:12:17 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> scribed into the Great Tome of Farnarkling:
> > That's because it takes a while for innovations to spread.
>
> True, very true - Linux has done well thus far just through word-of-mouth
> and the advocacy of it's users (now including yours truly, a recent
re-convert)
> More good, positive and truthful press is a good thing IMHO.
This reminds me of the urban legend of the Hundredth Monkey. This was
inspired by some actual research. For more, see:
http://www.csicop.org/si/9605/monkey.html
The researchers watched some macaques on an island off Japan and supplied
them with sand-covered sweet potatoes. One day, a young female one
accidentally discovered the trick of washing them off. Other monkeys
learned this trick by watching this monkey, and still other monkeys
learned from these monkeys. There was an interesting pattern of spread of
this innovation, but the "hundredth monkey" phenomenon never happened.
I've been unable to find out how many monkeys were involved here, but if
there were more than a hundred, then those later monkeys learned the trick
in *exactly* the same way that the earlier monkeys did -- and *not* all at
once when the hundred threshold was reached. Monkeys elsewhere *never*
learned that trick.
Potato-washing is an inadequate analogy for the spread of Linux,
however, because potato-washing is a purely individual activity, while
Linux has been dependent on the cooperation of all those who have
developed for it. And the more developers has meant the more resources
available.
--
Loren Petrich
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Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bob's Ignorance -- Or Is It Flamebait?
Date: 10 Jan 1999 20:45:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Loren Petrich allegedly wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Fleming) wrote:
>
>> (and if he continues to morph, I'll pull out a few good regexps for him -
>> try that in your average Windows newsreader.. ;-))
>
> I've never quite managed to learn the syntax for those; I just know how
>to do a few wildcards and that's it.
>
>[Me:]
>> > That's because it takes a while for innovations to spread.
>
>> > Linux only became anywhere near well-known last year; it's still largely a
>> > computer-geek OS, though there have been important strides in making it
>> > more end-user-friendly.
>> Aye, both the KDE and Gnome folks have done particularly well in this area,
>> and in less time than it's taken for MS to come up with a WinNT service
>> pack ;-)
>
> I've checked on the documentation of the GTK+ API, and it doesn't look
>too horrible. It might be nice to have some sort of ResEdit-like utility
>for dialog boxes, however. For those not familiar with it, ResEdit is a
>MacOS utility from Apple for editing MacOS file resource forks. MacOS
>files consist of not only a Unix-like "data fork", but also a
>mini-database "resource fork". The latter is the usual place for storing
>GUI-widget setup data, and ResEdit provides a GUI way of editing that.
>Apple also has the utilities Rez and DeRes, for composing resource-fork
>contents from appropriate text files, and reversing that operation.
>
> A ResEdit-like editor for Unix GUI widgets may seem like a difficult
>proposition, but I suspect that such an editor is likely to work by
>creating some appropriate C/C++ source code, which is then compiled with
>the rest of it.
>
> Has such an editor been constructed for Motif or GTK or whatever?
Have you tried...editres?! You have to save all your changes manually by
putting them in ~/.Xdefaults , and it isn't as powerful as the MacOS
resedit, but its still useful.
(Okay, useful to some of us...:)
--
"Being myself a remarkably stupid fellow, I have had to unteach myself the
difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts that are
not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: accessing struct user
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:44:20 GMT
Hi,
I need to access the struct user for a currently running process. I found
the struct in asm/user.h. I am running redhat 5.2 on a Pentium. I mainly
want to obtain the start_stack value within a process as it executes.
If anyone has an idea, please let me know.
Thanks,
Rebecca Keller
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