Linux-Misc Digest #635, Volume #18 Sat, 16 Jan 99 03:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (King Nothing)
Re: samba / NT permissions? (Thing)
APOLOGIES (Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND
idiot-friendly?) (Kevin)
Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux (Roger Rouse)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (King Nothing)
Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux (MikeP)
What dev? RedHat 5.2 or SlackWare 3.6? ("Steven")
Re: mandrake (Bill)
Netscape 4.5 & Acroread 3.02. . . (Norvell Spearman)
Re: how to install rpm on slackware (Lee Sau Dan ~{@nJX6X~})
Re: AfterStep 1.6.6 RPM Help (Jim Richardson)
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From: King Nothing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:43:39 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Get a book and read up on some of the editors like vi (a good but not very fun
editor) or pico (easy and not as powerful) There are others but that is a good
start.
"Omni²" wrote:
> Jeff Kay wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Since the original intent of this was only ment to inflame linux users or
> >advocates and in no way put forth any constructive critisism I'll ignore
> >most of what was said....
> >
>
> >How did you learn how to copy a file in dos .... I'm mean you did have to
>
> I didnt say copy a file , dickwad
> (read it next time)
> I said create a file , from nothing
>
> >So you get windows for free..... the difference is I can never be charged
> >for using linux without paying.... maybe someone will cc your message off
> >to MS and they come hunting you down...sure they have better things to do
> >but they sure would like making a point too and hey they got the spare cash
> >to do it...
>
> yeah right buddy
>
> >While in your eyes learning linux may be like learning chinese a) over a
> >billion people have done it ( not linux, chinese ) and b) at least at the
> >end you would have had the satitsfaction of having accomplished something
> >you consider difficult....
>
> its not really a challenge
> learning C or 80x86 assembler was a challenge
> I meant that it just didnt flow right , from the start
> hell I couldnt even have installed the thing
> if the CD I had didnt have an autoboot funtion on it
>
> yu gotta remember dude
> I'm talking like 10 minutes after instalation
> well 10 minutes after a MSDOS installation
> I was cruising
> I didnt have a headache like I do with linsux
>
> That you would ever attempt to use linux
> >without learning it is laughable.... I wonder how succesful a tirp to china
> >would be if you didn't know even so rudimentary chinese or something of the
> >place you were about to visit..... You cant blame your ignorance on Linux
> >or the thousands of people who have developed it, though you may try.
> >
> >As for the original poster, why... why bother with such a comment.... DON't
> >ANSWER BACK .. its rehtorical.... That you make comments such as "MS will
> >own linux" or "that bill owns us" or "that your vcr has a better gui and
>
> and I agree at least my vcr looks better than x , and might I add easier to
> program
>
> >that you could program a better OS" Really? Haven't done it have you? Its
> >great you can shout your mouth off but where's the proof.... If you're so
> >great then you could have joined the OSS community and help to make linux
> >more user friendly for the layperson...alas I doubt you've even used it,
> >based on your comments..... sure you may have listened to a few newsgroups
> >even read an article about it, but that is the extent of your knowledge and
> >experience I'm sure..... A second comment would be if vcr's are so user
> >friendly how come most people's still flash 12:00?
> >
> >Funny thing too...My dad who doesn't know dos and barely understands
> >computers was able to sit down a the computer last night ( which happened
> >to be in linux mode ) and find mahjongg on it..start it and play it no
> >questions asked.... guess linux cant be that difficult...:-)
>
> and I suppose he just typed mahjong (enter)?
>
> get real buddy !
>
> I cant even get to the CD drive
> I type \dev\hdb andf I get permission denied
> and I'
> m supposed to be root
> WTF???
>
> and I'm just wondering if its going to be worth learning this illogical OS
> as I dont believe it has a better future than any MS product
> we are talking user friendly here
> after all it is PnP these days
> and no-one can screw up a win or NT instalation
> but look atr all the
> "hel" posts on the unix NG's
> I rest my case
>
> >
> >jeff
> >
> >>
> >> In article <KV%l2.93$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Omni² wrote:
> >> >I fuckin LOVED reading that post !!!!!
> >> >esp since I've been using MS products since 1986
> >> >
> >> >ans have only just instaled redhat 5.2
> >> >and cant even get connected to the net
> >> >I dont even know how to create a file
> >> >like the copy con command in dos
> >> >
> >> >FUCK LINsux !!!
> >> >
> >> >why the hell did I bother?
> >> >I must want to punish myself???
> >> >
> >> >this is like learning chinese
> >> >nothing makes sense
> >> >I'm a pretty good dos/win user
> >> >now I'm a major linsux dweeb
> >> >fuck that !
> >> >
> >> >ok linux is free
> >> >so fuckin what
> >> >I've never paid for a MS product either
> >> >so whats the dif???
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I'll stick to NT and win98
> >> >I can do just as much with a c complier and winsock
> >> >than gnu and linsux
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >remove .com (soume yoeung guih) wrote in message
> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >> >>Linus is such a pansy mother fucker. He needs real balls like bill
> >> >>gates. Linus says "Hey Im a gay boy and give my shit away." Bill says:
> >> >>"I own you linus mother fucker." Linus is a fuckin retard. Who else
> >> >>would make a fuckin OS with so many security holes. How many fuckers
> >> >>hack NT to run thier little eggdrop bots. You are all script kiddies.
> >> >>Who the fuck would let other people butt rape him for a kernel. Bill
> >> >>gates owns you all. I think we need to start putting tatoos on all
> >> >>these fuckin artic following homos heads.. And hopefully that tatoo
> >> >>will have bill gates head with a windows 2000 logo. I could write a
> >> >>better OS out of basic on a toaster. My on screen programming for my
> >> >>VCR is better than the gui for linux. I hope linus gets nut cancer and
> >> >>dies. Microsoft will soon buy linux so you all can get a real os. I
> >> >>cant wait for microsoft brings msinux to rape all you linux fags.
> >> >>
> >> >>Please do not flame me .. its only an opinion.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> __________________________
> >> ---
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sean Maguire
> >> ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> >> (ICQ: 1656675) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> ---
> >> _________________________
> >
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From: Thing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.samba
Subject: Re: samba / NT permissions?
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:58:33 +1300
try exporting the netbios name in smb.conf
netbios name = FRODO
or what ever
Thing
mango wrote:
> I have this same problem to can some one help use please
> thanks
>
> steve mcadams wrote:
>
> > I have a 2-system micronet. One is NT 4.0, the other is S.u.S.E. 5.3.
> > These are connected via ethernet.
> >
> > I can ping in both directions. I am successfully doing the samba
> > mounts of 2 NT shares during Linux startup. Of the 3 Linux users, all
> > 3 can see files on both NT shares. However, only root can
> > delete/create/modify files on NT. Also when I click on Network
> > Neighborhood on NT, which shows my Linux system, it says "network path
> > can not be found".
> >
> > So...
> >
> > 1) When NT tries to look at network neighborhood, is it trying to do
> > a Linux login of some sort? I have matching userids on NT and Linux
> > with matching passwords. Does it use the current NT userid to attempt
> > to access Linux, or what? Also I have set the registry "patch" for
> > plain-text passwords which is what I am using in the startup mounts.
> >
> > 2. One of the 2 shares on NTis set up giving Full access, and the
> > other to give Read access, to all users in my NT Linux local group. I
> > am mounting these shares on linux as /winnt/linux-port (full access
> > granted on NT side) and /winnt/linux-stuff (read access granted on NT
> > side). The intent is for all my Linux users to be able to read from
> > both, or write on the linux-port share. I've tried chown and chmod
> > against the mount-points but samba seems to override that. Not sure
> > what else to try at this point.
> >
> > Thanks for any clues on this. -steve
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Tools for programmers: http://www.codetools.com/showcase
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:57:30 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: APOLOGIES (Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility
AND idiot-friendly?)
My apologies on cross-posting (which even *I* call "crassposting") my
reply to this thread to all the unrelated newsgroups...I have not
encountered such blatant crossposting in some time and did not check first
when I replied.
SHAME ON ME!
And your respondant flames *were* well deserved.
:(
--Kevin
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From: Roger Rouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:45:02 -0700
I had a bad experience with Earthlink too. This is just my opnion,
but I think Earthlink sucks.
Roger Rouse
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From: King Nothing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:59:15 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You kind of forgot to say something. Here it is.
Linux was not and probably won't ever be designed to be easy to use (in most MS
user say easy is). Linux is a different OS from anything Microsoft has ever
written, but it all the capabilities and more. With Win95 and Win98 you don't get
the full networking package, not even on the NT Workstation. My version of NT 4.0
say I can only connect 10 computers. On Linux, there is no limit other than
normal network limits.
MS uses different commands than Linux. Linux is mostly like Unix (which has been
around longer than Bill Gates dream of MS Dos. In MS dos, dir, Linux, ls and so
on. There are several good books on learning Linux basics like the directory
structure. I recommend Linux for Dummies. It is basic and not to in depth. Just
about any recent book for O'Reily and Associates is the best and go more into
exploiting the capabilities of Linux.
But if you any questions, ask nicely, and I am sure you will be asked.
As for my reason to hit up Linux? The upgrades are more often, the Alpha version
is the only 64 bit version of and OS like Unix, and the driver support seems to
be out much faster than with Microsoft. And don't forget it is FREE!
>From a really cheap guy,
Mark
Sechylmanos wrote:
> In article <2j3m2.155$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Omni²"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I didnt say copy a file , dickwad
> > (read it next time)
> > I said create a file , from nothing
>
> First off, there is no need to be beligerant about things... The person
> who you called a 'dickwad' was stating his opinion, like you said you were
> with the original post. How can you expect people to respect a request
> like "Please do not flame me .. its only an opinion." if you are going to
> be a hypocrite (not to mention an ass) and call people things like
> "dickwad"?
>
> If you wanted some help with something you weren't sure how to do, all you
> had to do was ask. For instance "How do I create a new file?" most likely
> would have returned many responses that could have helped you out.
>
> > >While in your eyes learning linux may be like learning chinese a) over a
> > >billion people have done it ( not linux, chinese ) and b) at least at the
> > >end you would have had the satitsfaction of having accomplished something
> > >you consider difficult....
> >
> > its not really a challenge
> > learning C or 80x86 assembler was a challenge
> > I meant that it just didnt flow right , from the start
> > hell I couldnt even have installed the thing
> > if the CD I had didnt have an autoboot funtion on it
> > yu gotta remember dude
> > I'm talking like 10 minutes after instalation
> > well 10 minutes after a MSDOS installation
> > I was cruising
> > I didnt have a headache like I do with linsux
> >
>
> The way I see it, something like learning a new OS is either a challange
> or it is easy. Obviously, it is not easy for you to learn linux. If it
> was, you wouldn't be posting the messages you have been. You are used to
> dos, you are happy with dos, and there is no reason that I can see that
> you should run linux. Unless there is a specific reason you NEED to, just
> stick with what you like. Linux isnt for everyone. If you don't like it,
> don't use it, but don't waste peoples time with juvenile posts to
> newsgroups where people are asking for help.
>
> > I cant even get to the CD drive
> > I type \dev\hdb andf I get permission denied
> > and I'
> > m supposed to be root
> > WTF???
>
> OK, so you get an error when you try to do something. It happens on any
> operating system that is out there.. and no matter how loud you yell,
> complaining about it isnt going to solve the issue. Did you check the
> permissions on the CD-ROM? Are you sure it's at /dev/hdb? did you
> remember to type 'cd /dev/hdb'? I have gotten my share of permission
> denied messages, and I have figured out why, and solved the problem. It
> is that simple.
>
> > and I'm just wondering if its going to be worth learning this illogical OS
> > as I dont believe it has a better future than any MS product
> > we are talking user friendly here
> > after all it is PnP these days
> > and no-one can screw up a win or NT instalation
> > but look atr all the
> > "hel" posts on the unix NG's
> > I rest my case
>
> Is it going to be worth learning? In my opinion, if you take the time to
> learn Linux, you will see why so many people are using it. It is solid,
> completely customizable to your needs, and free of charge. You can get a
> huge amount of software for almost any need (most of it free), and once
> you have it set up the way you like, you most likely will never have to
> touch the configuration again.
>
> You say no one can screw up a Windows or WinNT install? That's new to me.
> I work as a computer consultant, and I see the results of people
> (apparently doing the impossible) screwing up an install. You point out
> that there are a huge amount of "help" posts to unix newsgroups... That
> says to me that the unix users know how to find help and information.
> Most people I have to support daily would not have any clue what a
> newsgroup is.
>
> Everything is PnP these days because noone wants to take the time to do
> ANYTHING for themselves. Noone wants to know how a computer works, they
> just want it to do exactly what they need, right then, and right there,
> with no effort on their part. I can see someone wanting 'user friendly',
> but anything worth having requires effort of some sort. Personally, I
> found linux installation to be just as 'user friendly', if not more so,
> than a windows95 or NT installation.
>
> Once again: Basically, if you don't like it, don't use it. Noone will
> get their feelings hurt if you want to use windows.
>
> Sechylmanos
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From: MikeP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Earthlink unfriendly to Linux
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:24:59 +0000
Patrick O'Neil wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Bev wrote:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Larry writes:
> > > > The problem here is more along the lines of: I was trying to get gas in
> > > > the car and when I switched on the gas pump a short in it caused the pump
> > > > to explode. I was accused of crossing the wires that caused the short by
> > > > sticking the nozzle in the tank.
> > >
> > > Better analogy: In the process of figuring out how to work the ATM at your
> > > new bank you accidently put your card in upside down. They accuse you of
> > > trying to sabotage the machine and close your account.
> [...]
> > I find it completely believable that some jerk would accuse somebody of
> > criminal intent who is merely funbling around in the dark.
>
> Besides the fact that scanning ports is NOT illegal. It is what you do
> with the info from scanned ports that MIGHT be illegal - like gaining
> unauthorized access to the computer.
>
> I rather enjoy port scanning and tinkering...nothing illegal in my actions
> at all, however.
>
> patrick
Ah yes, but port scanning (in the case of my ISP) IS against the AUP,
and the ISP can close the account.
--
Mike
"What, me worry?" -A.Newman-
Error: REALITY.SYS corrupted! Reboot Universe <Y/n>
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From: "Steven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What dev? RedHat 5.2 or SlackWare 3.6?
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:49:53 -0800
I am not sure what linux dev I should get next. RedHat or Slackware? I am
looking for a nice and easy simple to configure dev that is really stable
and fast.
Please help me, thanx
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From: Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mandrake
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 05:30:15 GMT
I've got Mandrake 5.2 running and it works great. Downloaded from one of
the mirrors. It installed beautifully without any problems. Recently
updated to KDE 1.1 pre-beta release- the packages are available at
ftp://rawhide.redhat.com. It was a bit ricky to install; KDE 1.1 is far
superior to 1.0.
hristian wrote:
> Have a look to www.linux-mandrake.com
> I'm using mandrake 5.1 and I m very happy with it.
>
> Christian
>
> Rick Knebel a écrit dans le message ...
> >Hi,
> >
> >I just read about another disrto of linux called Mandrake.
> >It is RedHat 5.2 with kde integrated into it.
> >
> >Anyone try this yet?
> >
> >Thanks
> >Rick
> >
> >
> >--
> >Rick Knebel
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Norvell Spearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape 4.5 & Acroread 3.02. . .
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 22:43:30 -0600
Has anyone gotten the acroread plugin to work with Netscape 4.5? Every
time I try viewing a pdf file using Netscape 4.5 and the plugin supplied
by acroread, Communicator pukes on the rug and I get a core dump.
Thanks for any help with this.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To reply, remove my opinion about
unwanted e-mail from my address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Sau Dan ~{@nJX6X~})
Subject: Re: how to install rpm on slackware
Date: 15 Jan 1999 14:27:46 +0800
>>>>> "William" == William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
William> Dear Sir, Could anyone guide me step by step to teach me
William> to install rpm onto slackware ?
Do you mean you want to install RPM *packages* onto slackware? Or do
you want to install the RPM *utility program* onto slackware?
For the former, you can use the 'rpm2tgz' or 'rpm2targz' that comes
with the "bin" package of Slackware. These commands (being synonyms
of each other) convert rpm packages to .tgz files, which may then be
installed as if they were slackware packages. However, I think they
are not fully functional. I've examined these 2 programs (they are
shell scripts) and found that they only extract the files from an rpm
package. The install/uninstall scripts of the packages are not
extracted. So, try at your own risk.
For the latter, I have no idea. I did attempt to install RPM onto a
slackware system. However, it needs a config file 'rpmrc', and I
don't whether a config file copied from a RedHat system would be OK.
Moreover, RPM is unable to import the package database maintained by
the slackware packaging tools. So, if you remove an installed rpm
package with the rpm command, you may get some important files
(e.g. /bin/sh) deleted because rpm might think that nobody else is
using those files!!
William> After installation, will
William> rpm configuration and packages affect my original
William> slackware system ? And is it worth to install rpm onto
William> slackware ?
I don't think they would affect one another, except when you're
installing or removing packages (both rpm and slackware packages).
Each packaging system keeps its own package database, and they do not
exchange information with one another. Since 'rpm' has dependency
checks, it would refuse to install a package because it thinks that
some prerequisites are not satisfied, even though you've installed the
required programs through slackware package tools. Given the
'--nodeps' option to RPM can bypass this check and hence install the
package, though.
The real problem is, however, package removal. Both Slackware and rpm
remove unused files when a package is removed. They can find out the
unused files by examining their own package database. However, when
you're installing packages using both systems, both systems will be
confused about file usage. File still used by some Slackware packages
might get removed by rpm when an RPM package is removed, and vice
versa.
So, if you want to use both packaging systems on the same Linux
system, you would always install RPM packages using the --nodeps
option, and never remove any installed package from the system.
--
Lee Sau Dan $(0,X)wAV(B(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: AfterStep 1.6.6 RPM Help
Date: 15 Jan 1999 06:29:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:10:29 -0600,
Brian St. Pierre
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> brought forth the following words...:
>i just updated AfterStep 1.5b4 to 1.6.6 on my RedHat 5.2 system...
>Before i could load AfterStep from the start menu of fvwm95 but since
>installing teh new AfterStep, i no longer have AfterStep as an option to
>switch to??? Can anyone help?
>
For me, it was a simple as makeing an .xinitrc file in $HOME that said
afterstep
worked for me under redhat 5.0/1/2
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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