Linux-Misc Digest #722, Volume #18 Fri, 22 Jan 99 08:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Are ISPF editor and REXX clones available on Linux ? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Mysterious backquote key, Invalid Checksum 3E, and Strange Lines!!! (Enkidu)
Re: Linux to Win95 Null-Modem Connection (Mark Stolz)
Re: Can I run a DOS Device Driver in an emulator (David Steuber)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (William Coleman)
Re: PROPOSAL: comp.unix.year-2038 (WAS: 2038 and Linux) (Bloody Viking)
Re: Extending an extended partition. (Manthey, Tobias)
Re: Re: Microsoft is not alone in the "bloatware" programming race....
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
3-D Blaster Banshee... :( ("Frank & Co.")
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) (Shaun Lipscombe)
CPU Monitor App (Nathan Crapo)
Re: Newbie Question (JiPUSTRADAMUS)
Re: How to print a man page? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Michael Humphries-Dolnick)
Re: A Tale of Two Installations (Giftzwerg)
Re: Pentium Pro or Pentium II for signal processing? (BL)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Are ISPF editor and REXX clones available on Linux ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:17:58 GMT
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:07:19 +0000 (GMT), Philip Nelson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm looking for the "IBM / mainframe bigot" software bundle to put on my shiny new
>Linux system.
>ISPF editor clone
I've heard of one; can't locate any URLs of late.
>REXX (either clone of the mainframe or OS/2 versions)
<http://www.portal.com/~sedit/> S/REXX for Linux
<http://www2.hursley.ibm.com/> IBM Hursley Labs
<http://www.lightlink.com/hessling/#REGINA> Regina Rexx Interpreter
--
"Windows95, Word97, Office98: With all the criticisms of Microsoft, at
least they include ``best-before'' dating on many of their products..."
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Mysterious backquote key, Invalid Checksum 3E, and Strange Lines!!!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:34:00 +1300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Groves wrote:
>
> 2) My ethernet card is a 3COM 3C905-TX 10/100 Ethernet card.
> Everytime the driver is initialized, it reports the following
> message:
>
> eth0: 3Com 3c905 Boomerang 100baseTx at 0xdc80, ***INVALID CHECKSUM
> 003e***
>
Is it a genuine 3Com or a clone? What I believe it is saying is that
it is reading the info off the card, and doesn't recognise the
response. I presume it then carries on...
Cliff
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From: Mark Stolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux to Win95 Null-Modem Connection
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:54:10 +0000
fred smith wrote:
[snip]
> * You can get the Null Modem windows 95/98 driver from me. Copy
> * it to c:\windows\inf directory (a hidden directory, but you can
> * CD to it), and it will show up in control panel as an available
> * modem. OR, install a new modem and say "have" disk and point it
> * at this file. ftp://ftp.nook.net/pub/mdmcisco.inf After
> * you have it, install "generic null modem" and you are all set.
>
> One of these days I'm gonna try it. In the meantime if anyone tries
> it, I'd like to hear about how it worked out.
>
> Fred
Fred--
I tried downloading the file, but the link is invalid. Could you post
the original message so we can contact the author and find this file?
--Mark
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can I run a DOS Device Driver in an emulator
Date: 21 Jan 1999 22:00:11 -0500
"Norm Dresner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> I have a special video card that needs to be initialized by a DOS device
-> driver. There's nothing else available (unless you count windoze). (For
-> the curious, it's a Targa+ overlay card.)
->
-> All suggestions, hints, and even sympathy, gratefully accepted.
I don't know if there are any worthy replacements that are Linux
compatible, but you could look into that.
I wonder if there is already a Linux driver for that card?
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Coleman)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:32:43 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Usenet seems to work much the same way.
>
What say as little as possible?
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From: Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.software.year-2000,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: comp.unix.year-2038 (WAS: 2038 and Linux)
Date: 21 Jan 1999 07:08:07 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development.system Christopher B. Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
: On 21 Jan 1999 01:34:52 GMT, Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
:>It's not hard to rummage in the kernel source to find the time_t
:>definition.
: True.
I'm no expert but I was able to find time_t.
: It would indeed prove necessary to have *some* "hackery" to deal with the
: legacy filesystem. I would suggest that it's far less of a big deal to
: handle "ext3fs is 2038 compliant, and ext2fs isn't" than it is to hack on
: backdating things, which is something that will *never* leave you alone.
Yeah, before the time_t expiry, you tar up the ext2fs partitions, move the
tars, then format the ext2fs partitions into ext3fs, and untar right back.
: If you take the ext2fs data and move it to ext3fs, then the job is done, and
: so long as you don't create any "old" fses, you never need worry again.
Yep. You use tar. Nice and clean. A fun issue is after this with Y2K+38,
by that time, programmers will revert to the old 2 digit habit so as to
make Y2.1K.
: Having explicit hacks are forever...
Or bloody close to forever! :) RTCs of PCs aside, the 64 bit time_t is
good to go for QUITE a while. 4-digit-year apps will be good for
kiloyears... until Y10K, of course!
: The Y2K debacle is a clear example of how thoughtless system design gets
: people in trouble in arbitrarily stupid ways.
Not to mention bean counters pinching pennies telling coders how to code.
: That's *not* the case with the UNIX 2038 problem. It was anticipated long
: ago, and there *are* remediation methods that aren't anywhere *near* as
: horrible as what the Y2K folks are working with.
The Y2K debacle is that of app code being a needle in a haystack. Is there
a remediation package for Linux yet? I sure wouldn't want to be Dave
onboard the USS Discovery with a Linux HAL9000 in 2038 that wasn't
remediated! :)
"Open the pod bay door, Hal."
"I'm sorry, Dave, but the mission wasn't started. My memory banks says
it's 1970."
"What are you talking about, Hal?"
"It's January first, 1970. The movie about us wasn't even released about
us, Dave. Goodby."
<Dave drives off into the monolith, acceelerates to lightspeed, and drops
some acid...>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Manthey, Tobias)
Subject: Re: Extending an extended partition.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:54:01 -0800
Partition Magic 3,4 will be the tool to perform requested action
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Re: Microsoft is not alone in the "bloatware" programming race....
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:57:11 +0000
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Dear John Simmons,
In your posting Re: Microsoft is not alone in the "bloatware"
programming race.... from Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:17:13 GMT you write:
>
> Today's modern compilers themselves optimize the resulting binaries to
> eliminate un-used functions, un-used variables, and even optimizes loops
> and such. Feature lists and "unser-friendly" enhancments are the main
> cause of bloat. It takes A LOT of code to support user interfaces, not
> because a given interface is difficult, but because we have to protect
> the program from idiot users who can't seem to do anything right. We
> probably fully 1/3 of our code to exception handling, error trapping,
> data entry validation, and calculation errors caused by otherwise correct
> data entry.
>
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From: "Frank & Co." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 3-D Blaster Banshee... :(
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:42:58 +0000
Yesterday I got a 3dFx Card and I configure it to be able to play with
windows... but the problem was that when I started with Linux RedHat 5.2 I
couldn't get into the XWindows... :(
I tried to configure it using the X86config (I think this is the name...
?) but I couldnt find the dirver for the card... does anybody knows how to
solve this problem... If it's not possible... can I install two video
cards on my computer ... if it's possible I would use one card for linux
and the other for windows...
Thanks... sorry for my pour English :/
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* Francesc Esplugas i Martí * *
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Red Hat Linux 5.2 Kernel 2.0.36 *
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From: Shaun Lipscombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: 22 Jan 1999 09:47:29 +0000
Paul Hovnanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ilya wrote:
> >
> > I am interested in a "soft-touch" keyboard for a Linux workstation that has
> > one Control key on the home row - by the "A" key or "Caps lock" key, instead
> > of 2 Control keys on the bottom like on Windows keyboards. I would like to
> > hear someone recommend a keyboard with these specifications.
>
> They might be tough to find, and I don't think the qualify as 'soft-touch',
> but what you want looks just like my keyboard, an old IBM PC-XT type. Only
> drawback is that it is noisy!
>
> > The best example I can think of is a keyboard for DEC 5000/33. workstation.
> > Another example is a keyboard for older HP-UX workstations, although they
> > had tiny, difficult to use, control keys. Needless to say, these proprietory
> > keyboards do not work on anything else.
> >
> > Another example is made by PFU America Inc. (http://www.pfuca.com/). Happy
> > Hacking Keyboard has a big Control key and loks good but is missing function
> > keys.
>
> My XT keyboard has F1-F10 on the left and a numeric pad on the right.
>
> > The reason I am asking is because I find Emacs infinitely easier to use with
> > a Control key on the home row, and practically unusable for a long time with
> > Windows 95/PC type keyboards. Of course, that is just my opinion and I
> > realize others differ. Still, I'd like to hear suggestions.
> > Thanks in advance.
you know, that you can use keyremap kernel-toy available from
microsoft.com (as part of the kernel toys set). you can then, go into
the control panel and set the Caps-Lock key to be Ctrl instead :-)
>
> --
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From: Nathan Crapo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: CPU Monitor App
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:50:56 +0000
Has anyone seen an app around to monitor stats such as CPU temp for
Linux. I made a quick and dirty app to read the following for my system
and was wondering if there was anything like it out there. If not, I
would be happy to make it available to everyone. Don't know if too many
people are interested, but I have an overclocked PentiumII Celeron 300A
running at 450MHZ and I'm always curious as to how my system is
running. Who needs an OS that can run for over a year without rebooting
if you are always rebooting to look at the stats in the BIOS? Here's a
list of the things the app should report:
CPU temp
Motherboard temp
Powersuplly temp
All power supply voltages
CPU fan speed
There are a few apps like this for Windoze, but haven't seen any for
Linux yet. I was going to write a small device driver so any user app
could get the stats. I plan on writing a GUI in with the gtk.
Don't want to waste my time if it's been done.
TIA,
Nathan
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From: JiPUSTRADAMUS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Newbie Question
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:31:22 +0200
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Charles Riley wrote:
> Is there any way to access a Zip Drive from Linux? Please help ASAP!!! I
> need to copy over my newest video drivers from a WIN98 partition, but they
> are too big and I'm not sure any other way....
Can't help you with the zip-drive, but if your drivers are on the same drive
as your linux is, then copying them over is no big deal... Just mount the
windows '98 partition, and you'll be able to access all files on that
partition... /Check man mount for details, if you are unsure about mounting)
JP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How to print a man page?
Date: 22 Jan 1999 05:22:18 GMT
Peter Granroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> man ipfwadm | lpr
> man -t ipfwadm | lpr
> gives better looking output
Indeed it does... MUCH nicer.
Simeon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Humphries-Dolnick)
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:37:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brett W. McCoy) writes:
> On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:57:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Actually, some of the earliest computer games were written under
Unix.
> >>
> >
> >Didn't Unix start out as a game as well?
>
> I read somewhere that one of the reasons Ken Thompson started developing
> Unix was so he could have a platform where creating and running games
was
> easier. I can't for the life of me remember where I read that, though,
so
> I don't know how verifiable that is.
I don't know about that; the history of (at least AT&T) Unix as I recall
is that it was developed in-house as a text manipulator and formatter.
Sort of a glorified word processor, of sorts.
--
Michael Humphries-Dolnick
"If opinions are expressed in this communication,
those opinions may not represent those of
my employer."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Giftzwerg)
Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Installations
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:58:00 -0500
In article <788m52$et0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> [Snip. Technical problems installing real player]
>
> >> $ rpm -iv rvplayer-5.0-3.i386.rpm
>
> >Didn't work. So sorry. Next suggestion?
>
> [Snip. Yet another Linux is too hard to use flamebait, very similar to
> the flamebaits I was posting to c.o.l.advocacy nine months ago]
[Yet another quasi-literate responder who imagines that it's not
necessary to read and apprehend an entire post before responding]
Hmmm. Why would it be considered "flame bait" to suggest that, in many
ways, Linux is "too hard to use" - at least insofar as the broad market
of users out there would be unwilling to do the homework necessary to get
it working appropriately?
Linux is not "too hard to use" if you're an experienced $-head interested
in setting up a robust network or suite of services of some kind.
Linux is precisely "too hard to use" if you're a casual user out there in
the broad market of home and business applications.
The trouble (for Linux...) is that the first group already knows that
Linux is a Good Thing - but there aren't enough of them to make any sort
of a difference. It's the second group that remains unconvinced that
Linux has anything other than pain and misery to offer them.
And (drumroll) the second group is where the money is...
> If you are interested in actually getting RealPLayer to work on Linux, it
> may help us to tell us the error you got when doing the above command, or
> how Real Player does not work after being installed. Also, please let us
> know what your configuration is, what distro you are using, etc.
I'm not interested in getting RealPlayer to work on Linux.
Indeed, a browser plugin is such an unnecessary frivolity that I've
already spent far more time on it than it was ever worth.
When the installation of RealPlayer started to rival the time and trouble
I spent installing SyBase service on a network of Linux/UNIX machines -
that's when I wisely (!) decided that the game wasn't worth the candle.
> In response to your flame bait,
[I guess it takes a particular sort of nitwit to jump in and
pantingly respond to something he considers "flame bait," no?]
> No, I am not saying that Linux is as easy to use as Windows, and, yes I
> agree that Linux has a ways to go in its user interface design. I know
> that RedHat and others are working very hard on these issues, and I
> eagerly await the day Linux is as easy to use as Windows.
Amazing.
After calling it "flame bait," and just before an admonition to "get the
hell outta Dodge," you agree unconditionally.
Look, the point here is a very simple one. In many ways, the Linux
community has traditionally focused on the wrong things in an effort to
gain acceptance for this excellent OS in the broader market beyond
techies who work at ISPs.
But what are The Right Things?
> If you wish to continue posting this flame bait, please use
> comp.os.linux.advocacy, which is the appropriate forum for these kinds of
> flames.
I think the only possible response to an imperious command of this nature
is to tell you most emphatically to ram it up your ass, sideways.
But, being a polite fellow, I'll eschew this sort of rhetoric.
--
Giftzwerg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: BL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium Pro or Pentium II for signal processing?
Date: 22 Jan 1999 12:58:21 GMT
Reply-To: no.spambots.please
In comp.os.linux.hardware Tony Livengood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: A PII still has the PPro core.
: basically there are two i686 processors.
: PPro (Merced i think) 166-333
: PII (Descutes i think) 350-450
add:
celeron (mendocino)
xeon
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