Linux-Misc Digest #608, Volume #19 Fri, 26 Mar 99 05:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: How much RAM is enough? (Jim Hill)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Mark Andal)
Re: Appletalk (Keith Keller)
Re: Linuxers play dirty? (jik-)
Re: "Make"-type tree copy ? (**Nick Brown)
Re: Why Does Mail Break after adding a new Mail user ? (Villy Kruse)
Re: HELP! Need data from BAD Floopy! (Ken Pizzini)
Slackware Versus Red Hat (Lian PL)
Re: Linuxers play dirty? (**Nick Brown)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Harry)
Re: GPL vs BSD license agreement (source code reuse) (Richard Steiner)
Re: How to load a different MIB on Linux when .... (Niels Baggesen)
Mwave For Linux Project
Re: Catch MicroSoft napping. (**Nick Brown)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Harry)
Re: Anyway to copy file to a DOS Floppy? ("Eva Anderlind")
scandir problem ? ("Thierry BUCCO")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Hill)
Subject: Re: How much RAM is enough?
Date: 26 Mar 1999 07:13:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matt Eckhaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So I'm soliciting opinions - is 64Mb of RAM enough for Linux these days?
>I'd like to be using this computer for at least the next two years.
At the moment, I'm running on a 200MHz Pentium (One) with 64 MB RAM.
It's not unusual for me to have KDE 1.1 running (which - duh - means
I have an X server fired up), with several open xterms, Netscape, the
TIK AIM client, a cdplayer, a clock, and a few other little goodies.
4 times an hour cron kicks in to add a dialup mail+news transfer, and
every now and then the system does some housekeeping like rebuilding the
locate db. Very little paging. The one time I was able to bring the
system damn near to its knees...was when I was playing around with Star
Office 5 and concluded that it demands more from my poor machine than
said machine has to give.
Kernel rebuilds take about 5 minutes from the beginning of make dep to
the end of make zImage.
Is 64 MB enough? Save for the Star Office problem, it's been adequate
for my needs for the past 2 years.
Jim, but I'd still take more if I could get it, and so should you.
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Now wake up and smell the coffee."
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From: Mark Andal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:18:21 -0500
Brian Barjenbruch wrote:
>
> > Can you imagine how a non geeko type sees this monster. Instead of the
> > program
> > files having friendly names like Word and PageMaker they have cryptic acronyms
> > like abcdp and kikme and xxtoo (kidding, just examples). Many of the Program
> > names barely describe the function of the program and would just as likely be
> > a
> > derivative of the progammers dog's name. The mnemonics of linux are
> > terrible and
> > the global definitions of instruction syntax is terrible. The kernal makes
> > DOS
> > look like a walk in the park and at every turn theres another demon waiting to
> > take your head. Sorry, not until the average joe can set up and configure
> > this
> > package in a reasonable manner, in a reasonable amount of time, on 90% of
> > machines
> > will Linux become the desk OS of choice. That is going to take a lot more
> > support
> > from the hardware manufacturers to dev linux drivers at the same time they write
> > the windoze drivers.
I'm assuming you don't want to start some flame war so first off
since you're not asking for any help in particular I've set the
follow-ups to one newsgroup.
Theres a comman called alias with that you can make most commands closer
to something you're used to.
Also how is linux forced down your throat?
As I recall you can go to ANY computer manufacturer and not have linux
installed.
The same could not be said of MS.
Setting up packages in redhat is a matter of rpm -Uvh packagename.rpm
how long did that take?
Through KDE you click on the file and kpackage comes up?
Does it take learning? Yes. Is it hard if you actually read it ?
If you are looking for help in a particular situation what is the
problem you can't seem to grasp?
My $0.02
Mark Andal
>
> Agreed.
>
> Look, I'm sorry if any Linux veterans who happen to be reading this,
> are disappointed. And I have definitely tried my best, to understand
> all that I can about Linux and how to use and configure it. I'm not
> the clueless newbie that most people think. But even so, I find that I
> have been very confused; answers that seem very obvious to most
> veterans, are incomprehensible to me. I have tried, but I can't seem
> to get my mind behind it. Is this so unusual? From what I have read,
> Linux is near to the Second Coming of Christ, you'd think that it was
> the best thing in operating systems since sliced frickin' bread. But
> the simple fact is, it's just too damned HARD to figure out for the
> average user. Is this so wrong? Is it so bad to consider the fact
> that Linux just might not be for EVERYONE? Why the hell should I bust
> my brains out trying to understand Linux, when I am perfectly happy
> with the Mac OS, which does everything I need it to do? If I wasn't
> constantly having the name 'Linux' forced down my throat, I would
> probably have a lot less frustration. No one can force me to use
> Linux. Why should they try?
>
> --
> "Its origin and purpose...still a total mystery."
> - Dr. Heywood Floyd, "2001: A Space Odyssey"
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From: Keith Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Appletalk
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:51:22 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Check out netatalk:
www.umich.edu/~rsug/netatalk
It emulates an AppleShare fileserver and print
server.
-- Keith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> Hi. I wanted to know how to set up linux so it can act as an apple file
> server for the macs in the building. So far, I get a message at boot
> informing me that Appletalk is starting up, but there is no trace of any
> apple fileserver installed, and the macs on the network can't see my
> machine ( well they can telnet and the Xservers work, but I can't server
> files )
>
> Anyone have some helpful hints on turning linux into an Apple fileserver
> ?
>
> thanks,
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
> Web designer for Independence -- Linux for the Masses
> http://www.independence.seul.org/
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:17:07 -0800
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linuxers play dirty?
Bill Amsinux wrote:
>
> Hi !
>
> MS-IE does not work with the latest ipchains and linux masquerade, is
> this intentional like MS did to Netscape with their Proxy server?
Yep, we are all so overly conserned with MS creating something that runs
on Linux that we just had to stop them.
Dipshit....I highly doubt any of the developers were even remotely
concerned about some MS product they probably don't use,...and might not
have even known about.
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Make"-type tree copy ?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:06:57 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmmm. A somewhat crude option. Plus, I'm doing this as a kind of
"off-line disk mirror" - every night I make a clone copy of my users'
files this way. I'd rather not have the window of time between the rm
and the cp, when I don't have that copy. With the TREECOPY (my program)
or ROBOCOPY (NT resource kit) approach, I copy the new files first, then
delete the old ones. I don't have a "no backup at all" situation at any
time. And of course, if the copy is over a network link, there's the
elapsed time and wasted bandwidth of the redundant copies.
Looks like I'm going to have to get programming. Sigh. (No time !)
Thomas Zajic wrote:
> Ummm ... ´rm -rf /dest/path; cp -ax /source/path /dest/path´? ;-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Why Does Mail Break after adding a new Mail user ?
Date: 26 Mar 1999 08:51:50 +0100
In article <7dds36$ol0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Kim Knoblauch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>/var/spool/ mail is mail mail , perm list is drw-rw----
>
>The permissions for /var/spool/mail should be drwxrwxrwt
>The users must have permission to read their own mail and to remove the
>mail from the spool file after it has been read. The t is there to make
>sure that only the owner of the file can actually remove it.
>
>chmod a+rwxt /var/spool/mail
There are currently several opinions on this matter. Traditionally the
mail spool directory was
drwxrwxr-x 2 root mail /var/spool/mail
and that works because all programs that needs to create files in that
directory is sgid mail. Now the pine people has decided that the correct
permission is 1777, that is, drwxrwxrwt. That is because the pine and
the ipop3 and imap programs runs as the real user and group the group of
the real user, and it is necessary for these programs to be able to create
temporary lock files in the mail spool directory. Thus the 777 permission.
Also we won't allow other than the owner to remove the mail file, thus
the sticky bit. The individual mail files are always owned by the real
user of the the file.
Villy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Pizzini)
Crossposted-To: alt.unix.wizards,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: HELP! Need data from BAD Floopy!
Date: 26 Mar 1999 02:22:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 25 Mar 1999 16:20:42 GMT, Moritz Barsnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <h6rK2.14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> IIRC, `dd' demands to read through its input. It will therefore encounter
>>> those bad blocks and fail. I remember reading of a `dd'-replacement whichs
>
>> But like Andrew said, even though 'dd' can't read the bad blocks, you
>> can force it to ignore the errors and keep reading the media. then
>
>Hmm. I thought the system would return an error on a failed read. Or does it
>return signals? That would explain a difference. IMO "cat /dev/fd0" (or "cat
>/dev/hdxx", for that matter) stops at bad blocks, as do some apps (`cp',
>`mtools', ...)
For most programs (such as cat) a read error will be treated
the same as an EOF. But dd has the "conv=noerror" option
to tell it to keep chugging along after errors (I think it
pretends to have read a full request length of zeros) until
it hits a real EOF.
--Ken Pizzini
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lian PL)
Subject: Slackware Versus Red Hat
Date: 26 Mar 1999 08:03:51 GMT
I have installed succcessfully on laptop Slackware Linux ver 2 but I have
tried for many days successfully to install Red Hat ver 5.2 in the same
laptop.
Will fellow Linuxes help by telling what are the "problems, difference,
etc" between the two Linuxes, especially when you are installing on Laptops
plse email to : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linuxers play dirty?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:22:01 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yeah, Linux's market share of 3% by installed base volume and 0% by
dollar value lets the OSS people dictate pretty much what they like.
BTW, I've found WINE pretty good for running non-MS applications. The
apps it chokes on are MS ones doing all that undocumented-Win32-API
crap.
Ian Hay wrote:
> Don't forget that complex, elaborate deception called WINE, where the
> folks are tirelessly trying to maintain the devious illusion that Linux
> developers actually -want- MS stuff to work on Linux.
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:11:44 -0500
> 75% of the monitor's power consumption (and about 50% of the
system's power consumption) <
Tweaking with my home PC recently I discovered that it can power
down disk drives in the same way as it can power down the monitor. I
think this is actually quite common. Now I'm much less likely to
switch it off completely.
Harry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD license agreement (source code reuse)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:29:40 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JR) spake unto us, saying:
>I am totally new to this scene. I have only recently gotten serious
>about becoming Linux literate. Even though I have come across the GPL
>license before I never gave it much attention. So I am posting this
>in the effort to shed some light on what a newbie might think about
>this GPL vs BSD license issue. I hope this is NOT considered
>trolling!
You've made some very interesting comments! It's interesting to hear
what someone from the outside might think of the strong philosophical
disagreements that sometimes occur here. :-)
>One thing for sure, I (think) I have learned a lot about what the GPL
>and BSD licensed agreements stand for. I was really surprised to find
>out that they were THAT different. Let alone that they are at such
>opposing sides.
Yes. :-)
>I am still a little fuzzy about how GNU fits into the picture.
GNU often refers to something which was produced by the Free Software
Foundation. The FSF is the group which created the GPL.
>1) Most things in life are not free. Period. Final. Indisputable.
>Then why should software be?
The "freedom" generally referred to by most free software advocates on
both sides usually has less to do with acquisition costs and more to do
with intellectual freedom or non-proprietary knowledge, meaning that the
source is available for perusal (even though under some licenses that
availability [especially code reuse] is conditionally restricted).
People can still charge $$ for BSD or GPL software, or software under
other similar licenses. And some do.
> [Big snip :-)]
>
>Just because I learned how to code a particular algorithm in a particular
>language with one employer, and then reuse that same knowledge with
>another employer, does not mean that my current employer must pay my
>ex-employer royalties.
That actually depends on the specific occurrence. I can think of cases
where use of previously gained internal knowledge might well result in
the payment of royalties by the new employer.
Certain types of reverse engineering (like ARDI's reverse engineering
of the Macintosh toolbox) are performed in very controlled conditions
because of this type of situation.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris + BeOS +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + MacOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
The Seminar for Time Travel will be held two weeks ago...
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From: Niels Baggesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.snmp
Subject: Re: How to load a different MIB on Linux when ....
Date: 26 Mar 1999 09:08:00 GMT
In comp.protocols.snmp Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> toxo wrote:
>>
>> How to load a different MIB on Linux when using CMU SNMP.
>> There is the mib.txt file in /etc/ or /usr/lib, but what to do when I want
>> to check out SpanningTree Parameters??? I need the BridgeMIB (rfc 1493) ...
>> ok, I could delete the mib.txt and put the bridge-mib there and name it
>> mib.txt, but then i cannot get other snmp-parameters. Is it possible to let
>> the snmpd load several MIbs I need, so I can get Information ion different
>> things???
> RTFM. man snmpcmd and look at the MIBS variable, and the
> -m and -M options.
He was using CMU not UCD SNMP.
You will need to create a concatenation of mib.txt and what ever other
MIB files you need.
You might want to look at ucd-snmp (http://ucd-snmp.ucdavis.edu) It has
a lot more flexibility when it comes to handling multiple MIB files.
The commands and api are very close to (the older) CMU SNMP.
UCD is also the version that comes with RedHat 5.2
/Niels
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:05:05 +0000
From: <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
Subject: Mwave For Linux Project
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux,ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad
Hi,
Have you got an IBM Thinkpad or Aptiva with an
Mwave Soundcard and want to run Linux?
Maybe you would like to contribute to the native
Mwave driver project?
The Mwave Project for Linux has the answers.
http://www.flexion.org/mwave/
* Native Mwave driver project - NEW!
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* Forum for Mwave/Linux Users - NEW!
* How to enable Sound Blaster Pro 3.1
Emulation under Linux
* Updated for 2.0.x and 2.2.x kernels.
* Improved layout and easy to follow.
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We look forward to your visit!
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Catch MicroSoft napping.
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:03:24 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think the average Linux user, and certainly the average one in this
forum, is the kind of person (assuming they're old enough) who has
probably owned some or all of the following: Apple ][, TRS-80, ZX
Spectrum, Commodore 64, Atari, Amiga, Mac. People who wanted to find
out how the thing works, and don't mind if they have to look under the
hood. These kind of people (myself included) would probably, if we're
honest, prefer to spend 10 minutes doing something right rather than 5
minutes doing it the M$ way, which we know will probably lead us to lose
2 hours next month.
Unfortunately, 99% of people would rather save the 5 minutes now and
hope the 2 hour loss won't happen, nuch as most people have that extra
beer and hope a child won't run out under the wheels of their car on the
way home.
So I'm prepared to be happy in the OSS club (and one thing we need to be
clear about: this is not about Linux - FreeBSD could take over from it
tomorrow and we'd live with that rather than give in to the Evil Empire,
this is not about a personality cult) - but I'm also expecting it to
remain fairly exclusive. But if the OSS community becomes the National
Geographic Institute of the computing world, where Microsoft is Sports
Illustrated, well, where's the harm ?
Steve Thompson wrote:
> On the other side of the coin we have Linux who's users are, generally,
> a bit more experienced people. When I say "computing" I mean not just
> using the computer as an appliance. Unfortunately, when your grandmother
> wants to write a simple letter I don't think she's going to be willing
> to crank up the ol Linux box, but it is getting better. Linux *is*
> however, making some major strides with things like the gnome project
> and Open Step. I for one would like to see Linux pull ahead in the race
> but it wont happen this year.
>
> Can it be developed enough to be accepted. Sure, but to what kind of
> users? One's who want to use it as an appliance, or ones that want to do
> *real* computing? For me, it won't go away. I've been using Linux since
> 1994 and wouldn't have it any other way. But then again my first
> experience with major computing was on a Sun Workstation.
>
> Just my .02,
>
> Steve
>
> >
> > Nothing lasts forever.
> >
> > Stirling.
> >
> > --
> >
> > (Please remove 'spamfree.' from the reply address. Sorry for the
> > inconvenience)
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:07:43 -0500
> rpm -Uvh <
In Windows 95/98/NT/2000 the command is "Setup". That brings up the
Wizard. I think that's part of the difference that the Linux hacks
have become blind to. The fact is that a technically brilliant piece
of software can be a pain to use, while a technically ordinary one
can be a godsend to users.
Harry
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From: "Eva Anderlind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyway to copy file to a DOS Floppy?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 01:05:50 +0100
yes, it is.
put the floppy in the drive, then type "mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy". your
floppy drive is then mounted in the directory /mnt/floppy. After that you
can just copy the files to /mnt/floppy and they are copied to the disk.
when you are finished, type "umount /mnt/floppy", and you can safely eject
the floppy from the drive. You have to mount the floppy drive each time you
put in a new floppy.
/Jonas
Dennis Megarry skrev i meddelandet <7dea2h$dk6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I have some files on my linux box and need to copy them to a standard msdos
>fat16 floppy in drive A:
>
>Is this possible?
>
>Dennis
>
>
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From: "Thierry BUCCO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: scandir problem ?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:46:23 +0100
Hi,
When i use scandir (like to the man scandir example), to list files into
directory the allocated memory is not liberated. How can i do that ?
free(namelist ?)
Thanks a lot.
Thierry - FRANCE
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