Linux-Misc Digest #327, Volume #19 Sat, 6 Mar 99 05:13:14 EST
Contents:
PPP connection ... Help ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Newbie - Xfree86Config question (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: Network Administrators - why is pay so low? (brian moore)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Re: Public license question (Barry Margolin)
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? (brian moore)
Re: Public license question (Peter Seebach)
Re: as86: Command not found (Mircea)
Re: yet another win98 + RH Linux question!! (Mykool)
Re: Fax server software for Linux (Collin Bennett)
Re: Postgres + ESQL + cursors (TS Stahl)
Re: Public license question (Barry Margolin)
Re: StarOffice anyone?? ("Barbara A. Severance")
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: uninstall Linux from dual boot w/ win98 (jik-)
Re: Network Administrators - why is pay so low? (Chris Ediger)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PPP connection ... Help
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:13:23 GMT
Hi, there:
I'm trying to set up PPP connection. I read some HOWTO articles and tried
the manual script in them. And also I tried the default scripts coming with
RH5.2(of course replace the phone number, username and passwd). But both
failed. I can hear the modem dialing and successfully connected but soon it
stoped. Following are the scripts in those two methods and the results in log
file. Does anyone know what's wrong? Thanks a lot.
Dennis
************ METHOD 1 *********************
use some manual scripts described in HOWTO file.
I have chap-secrets file for chap login. And I have "nameserver
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" in resolv.conf. And pppon is my ppp connection script.
File chap-secrets
======================================
# Secrets for authentication using CHAP
# client server secret IP addresses
my_username * my_passwd *
File: pppon
======================================
#!/bin/sh
/usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS1 57600 user my_username connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v ''
ATDT6412828 CONNECT ''ogin:my_username assword:my_passwd"
The result in log file:
========================================
Mar 3 23:18:43 localhost pppd[634]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
Mar 3 23:18:44 localhost chat[635]: send (ATDT6412828^M)
Mar 3 23:18:44 localhost chat[635]: expect (CONNECT)
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: ATDT6412828^M^M
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: CONNECT
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: -- got it
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: send (ogin:fengg^M)
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: expect (assword:foolish4)
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: 21600/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS^M
Mar 3 23:19:50 localhost chat[635]: alarm
Mar 3 23:19:50 localhost chat[635]: Failed
Mar 3 23:19:50 localhost pppd[634]: Connect script failed
Mar 3 23:19:51 localhost pppd[634]: Exit.
************ METHOD 2 *************************
use default scripts coming with RH5.2 release.
File ppp-on
=========================================
#!/bin/sh
#
# Script to initiate a ppp connection. This is the first part of the
# pair of scripts. This is not a secure pair of scripts as the codes
# are visible with the 'ps' command. However, it is simple.
#
# These are the parameters. Change as needed.
TELEPHONE=641-2828 # The telephone number for the connection
ACCOUNT=my_username # The account name for logon (as in 'George Burns')
PASSWORD=my_passwd # The password for this account (and 'Gracie Allen')
LOCAL_IP=0.0.0.0 # Local IP address if known. Dynamic = 0.0.0.0
REMOTE_IP=0.0.0.0 # Remote IP address if desired. Normally 0.0.0.0
NETMASK=255.255.255.0 # The proper netmask if needed
#
# Export them so that they will be available at 'ppp-on-dialer' time.
export TELEPHONE ACCOUNT PASSWORD
#
# This is the location of the script which dials the phone and logs
# in. Please use the absolute file name as the $PATH variable is not
# used on the connect option. (To do so on a 'root' account would be
# a security hole so don't ask.)
#
DIALER_SCRIPT=/etc/ppp/ppp-on-dialer
#
# Initiate the connection
#
# I put most of the common options on this command. Please, don't
# forget the 'lock' option or some programs such as mgetty will not
# work. The asyncmap and escape will permit the PPP link to work with
# a telnet or rlogin connection. You are welcome to make any changes
# as desired. Don't use the 'defaultroute' option if you currently
# have a default route to an ethernet gateway.
#
#exec /usr/sbin/pppd debug lock modem crtscts /dev/ttyS0 57600 \
# asyncmap 20A0000 escape FF kdebug 0 $LOCAL_IP:$REMOTE_IP \
# noipdefault netmask $NETMASK defaultroute connect $DIALER_SCRIPT
exec /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS1 57600 \
connect $DIALER_SCRIPT
File ppp-on-dialer
======================================
#!/bin/sh
#
# This is part 2 of the ppp-on script. It will perform the connection
# protocol for the desired connection.
#
exec chat -v \
TIMEOUT 3 \
ABORT '\nBUSY\r' \
ABORT '\nNO ANSWER\r' \
ABORT '\nRINGING\r\n\r\nRINGING\r' \
'' \rAT \
'OK-+++\c-OK' ATH0 \
TIMEOUT 30 \
OK ATDT$TELEPHONE \
CONNECT '' \
# ogin:--ogin: $ACCOUNT \
# assword: $PASSWORD
The result in log file -------------------------------------------- Mar 4
21:40:56 localhost pppd[477]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0 Mar 4
21:40:57 localhost chat[478]: timeout set to 3 seconds Mar 4 21:40:57
localhost chat[478]: abort on (\nBUSY\r) Mar 4 21:40:57 localhost chat[478]:
abort on (\nNO ANSWER\r) Mar 4 21:40:57 localhost chat[478]: abort on
(\nRINGING\r\n\r\nRINGING\r) Mar 4 21:40:57 localhost chat[478]: send
(rAT^M) Mar 4 21:40:57 localhost chat[478]: expect (OK) Mar 4 21:40:57
localhost chat[478]: rAT^M^M Mar 4 21:40:57 localhost chat[478]: OK Mar 4
21:40:57 localhost chat[478]: -- got it Mar 4 21:40:57 localhost chat[478]:
send (ATH0^M) Mar 4 21:40:57 localhost chat[478]: timeout set to 30 seconds
Mar 4 21:40:57 localhost chat[478]: expect (OK) Mar 4 21:40:57 localhost
chat[478]: ^M Mar 4 21:40:58 localhost chat[478]: ATH0^M^M Mar 4 21:40:58
localhost chat[478]: OK Mar 4 21:40:58 localhost chat[478]: -- got it Mar
4 21:40:58 localhost chat[478]: send (ATDT641-2828^M) Mar 4 21:40:58
localhost chat[478]: expect (CONNECT) Mar 4 21:40:58 localhost chat[478]: ^M
Mar 4 21:41:18 localhost chat[478]: ATDT641-2828^M^M Mar 4 21:41:18
localhost chat[478]: CONNECT Mar 4 21:41:18 localhost chat[478]: -- got it
Mar 4 21:41:18 localhost chat[478]: send (^M) Mar 4 21:41:18 localhost
pppd[477]: Serial connection established. Mar 4 21:41:19 localhost
pppd[477]: Using interface ppp0 Mar 4 21:41:19 localhost pppd[477]: Connect:
ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 Mar 4 21:41:19 localhost pppd[477]: sent [LCP ConfReq
id=0x1 <magic 0xaf7b3a2c> <pcomp> <accomp>] Mar 4 21:41:19 localhost
pppd[477]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x0 <asyncmap 0x0> <auth chap 80> <magic
0x831> <pcomp> <accomp>] Mar 4 21:41:19 localhost pppd[477]: sent [LCP
ConfRej id=0x0 <auth chap 80>] Mar 4 21:41:19 localhost pppd[477]: rcvd [LCP
ConfAck id=0x1 <magic 0xaf7b3a2c> <pcomp> <accomp>] Mar 4 21:41:19 localhost
pppd[477]: rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x1 00 00 08 31 00 3c cd 74 00 00 03 97] Mar
4 21:41:19 localhost pppd[477]: sent [LCP TermAck id=0x1] Mar 4 21:41:20
localhost pppd[477]: Hangup (SIGHUP) Mar 4 21:41:20 localhost pppd[477]:
Modem hangup Mar 4 21:41:20 localhost pppd[477]: Connection terminated. Mar
4 21:41:21 localhost pppd[477]: Exit.
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From: David Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie - Xfree86Config question
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:46:47 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unless you have an older monitor there should be some buttons by
the bottom front to change the width of the display and get rid
of the black edges.
The other part about the desktop larger than the screen width is
configurable in your /etc/X11/XF86Config file - its the virtual
specification.
d
Greg wrote:
>
> I'm new to Red Hat Linux. I have just installed version 5.2. When I go
> to start X windows (using startx) it opens but the screen is not
> centered. On the left side there is an area of black Why is this? I the
> display is bigger than my monitor screen so I have to scroll right and
> up & down to see the whole windows environment. I've changed the virtual
> res and it has only changed alittle. The max res of my monitor is
> 1280x1024. What is wrong?
>
> Thank you for your time
>
> Greg Kaufman
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Network Administrators - why is pay so low?
Date: 5 Mar 1999 20:02:49 GMT
On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 00:48:41 -0600,
Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc D. Bumble)
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >Why are Network administrators paid less than software developers?
>
> Without more context, this isn't a particlarly meaningful question.
>
> Someone who maintains a few small static machines with a couple of
> printers in a small office LAN is doing a lot less work than someone
> maintaining a 24x7 network providing real time critical information.
But some of us maintaining a 24x7 network don't get paid -that- well
either. (Though, speaking for myself, the cost of living is still nice
and low here and I traded money for freedom. I do get to hack on the
job and I have enough money to squander a couple grand on a whim. :))
It's also not like I really do a lot of work, since we're a Unix shop
(and of course that includes Linux). I spend more time in silly meetings
than babysitting my network (which mostly babysits itself and calls me
when it needs love and attention).
> Some network administrators make quite a bit, I suspect.
Indeed, though they may be balancing the value of money vs freedom
differently than I do. I won't go back to CA for the 6-figure income:
the freedom here is too nice to trade for the rat race.
The real problem (which has made it hard to get raises for me) is that if
you do your job well, the typical admin isn't noticed. For example, we
were beginning to see slow downs in mail access when /var/mail started
getting fat, so I switched to a hashed directory structure to get rid of
the big-directory-with-lots-of-writes problems. This was done with
precisely no downtime. (I hacked the daemons and procmail to look in
both places, moved a few mailboxes to test things, then moved the rest.)
"No downtime" can make it appear that you are doing nothing. Less useful
admins (ie, those that have systems constantly crashing) always look busy
so management things they must be worth something.
If the question at review time is "um, just what is it that you do", you
have the bane of being an admin. It's almost tempting to be a complete
screwup and let my systems crash all the time, but that would be so much
more work than caring for them. :)
--
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:52:02 -0500
Eric F. Peterson wrote:
> It doesn't. What it *does* show is that Mr. Gates isn't
responsiblet
> (as an earlier post claimed).h
Gates isn't responsible for the GUI? Neither is Linus nor any of
the Steves at Apple - what was claimed (in the thread I was y
following, in any case) is that Windows 95 isn't eady to use
because it wasn't the first GUI (this strings together claims omade i
made in a number of paragraphs).(
>> Ever heard of Great Bores of Today?s>>
>>
>
> Irrelevant, since that is not what was said.t
No - it's what *I'm* saying! Can't Linux be good without Windows
being worthless? Jeez, lighten up!
Harry
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From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:27:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
NF Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This differs from the dynamic vs static linking distinction because the
>list of word numbers has no other use apart from recreating the
>copyrighted novel. With dynamic linking one possible result is the
>same as static linking (i.e. a memory image composed of the
>amalgamation of the two works); however it is also possible to
>link the work against a different (non GPL) library which provides
>the same functionality. The users may decide not to write their own
>version of the library, but they always have that choice. I do not
>see how a work which can be run independently of the GPL work
>can be considered to be a derived work of that GPL work.
RMS recognizes this, but only when the potential non-GPL library actually
exists. Why should the copyright holder lose control just because of the
*potential* of an alternative library? If this potential library doesn't
exist, and the author of the dependent module knows it, he knows that he's
creating something functionally equivalent to a work statically linked with
the library.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash?
Date: 5 Mar 1999 20:27:52 GMT
On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 16:00:22 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I do notice on bootup, that my motherboard's PCI-bridge
> is detected by the 2.2.1 kernel. Could that be a clue
> to the bus-error message?
Nope. A SIGBUS is generated by a variety of things (the SPARC
architecture, for example, is very picky about alignment of data and will
generate a SIGBUS when you read misaligned data). On Linux, the most
common cause of SIGBUS is im mm/filemap.c:
* Semantics for shared and private memory areas are different past the end
* of the file. A shared mapping past the last page of the file is an error
* and results in a SIGBUS, while a private mapping just maps in a zero page.
In short, it's much like SIGSEGV: a pointer gone awry, though it's a bit
more rare to get (it has to go awry 'just right') at least on Intel
(SPARC is a wonderful platform for debugging because it is picky as hell
and will whine massively when a pointer is off).
It could, like SIGSEGV, be caused by hardware problems. But like the
vast majority of SEGV's it's usually not and you can only blame hardware
when it's happening a LOT (and you'd see an associated rise in SEGV's as
well).
Not related to the hardware bus of your motherboard at all.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:38:25 GMT
In article <G6XD2.42$p4.2626@burlma1-snr2>,
Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>RMS recognizes this, but only when the potential non-GPL library actually
>exists. Why should the copyright holder lose control just because of the
>*potential* of an alternative library? If this potential library doesn't
>exist, and the author of the dependent module knows it, he knows that he's
>creating something functionally equivalent to a work statically linked with
>the library.
Okay, so what if the person writing the dependant module has been *TOLD*
that there is a non-GPL library?
It doesn't make sense for his control of his work to depend on this either.
-s
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: as86: Command not found
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 16:10:43 -0500
as86 is part of the binutils package. You probably don't have binutils
installed. Read the /usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes file for all
the upgrades you need to put a 2.2.x kernel on your distribution. For
one thing, you need at least binutils 2.8.1.0.23
MST
Michael wrote:
> When trying to compile the 2.2.2 kernel, I get the error:
>
> as86: Command not found
>
> In which library can I find this command. I already have gcc-2.8.1
> installed.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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From: Mykool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: yet another win98 + RH Linux question!!
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:17:41 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I use '-t msdos' switch while mounting the win98
> drive. I noticed that some of the files I copied to the win98 partition
> could not be seen under win98!! Also, I use 'mcopy' (part of mtools)
> to do the copying from /mnt/mydrive to /dos.
>
Why don't you mount them as vfat?
--
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http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte294f
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From: Collin Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fax server software for Linux
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:26:04 GMT
Check out HylaFax at http://www.hylafax.org
I'm using it, but I think I need a better fax modem.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello
> Can anyone provide me with info about this subject?
>
> Thank you
>
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From: TS Stahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Postgres + ESQL + cursors
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:29:25 -0600
I have watched this one go unanswered for several days and thought I
would take a look. Sure enough, I am out of my depth here. However, I
did notice one thing that maybe you overlooked because it is defined
elsewhere. In your code sample, I don't see a definition for
select_stack_term_statement. TABLE_select_stack_term_statement is
defined but not the string in line 28.
Could this possibly be a forest V. trees scenario???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm currently porting some code using ESQL to linux and Postgres but
> I'm have problems getting cursors to work. I attached and example of
> the code I'm using at the end of this message.
>
> I cannot find and help about cursors in the postgres FAQs or
> documentation. Can anybody help with documentation, examples or by
> picking holes in my code. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Iain
>
> -------
>
> The error message generated when this code is executed is
>
> sqlca.sqlerrm.sqlerrmc = Postgres error: ERROR: parser: parser error
> at or near "select_stack_term_statement"
> line 28
>
> /* start code */
> #include <sqlca.h>
> #include <stdio.h>
>
> #define CHECK_SQL if(sqlca.sqlcode)\
> {\
> printf("SQLCODE = %d\n", sqlca.sqlcode );\
> printf("sqlca.sqlerrm.sqlerrmc = %s\n", sqlca.sqlerrm.sqlerrmc );
> \
> exit(1);\
> }
>
> main()
> {
> EXEC SQL BEGIN DECLARE SECTION;
>
> char alarm_description [35];
> char dbname[10];
> char table_select_stack_term_statement[1024];
>
> EXEC SQL END DECLARE SECTION;
>
> strcpy( dbname, "iain" );
>
> EXEC SQL CONNECT :dbname;
>
> CHECK_SQL;
>
> /* Declare an SQL cursor used for selecting more than one row */
> EXEC SQL
> DECLARE cursor_stack_term
> CURSOR FOR select_stack_term_statement; /* line 28 */
>
> CHECK_SQL;
--
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MIS Asst.
Illinois Housing Development Authority
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From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:35:35 GMT
In article <5hXD2.916$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Okay, so what if the person writing the dependant module has been *TOLD*
>that there is a non-GPL library?
If he's under the impression that there are multiple libraries that can be
linked with his module, then he and his program should be off the hook. I
would expect the instructions that come with his program to mention the
various alternative libraries that the end user may link in.
>It doesn't make sense for his control of his work to depend on this either.
He's the one who was purported to be writing a program that's dependent on
a GPLed library, and was trying to use dynamic linking as a loophole around
it. The whole reason for using the GPL, rather than the LGPL, for a
library is so that it can be used as an enticement for other people to
distribute their work freely (you can link with it if you agree to free
your code); the purpose is defeated if someone can simply use dynamic
linking as a workaround.
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From: "Barbara A. Severance" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: StarOffice anyone??
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:14:15 -0800
Craig wrote:
>
> I DL'ed and installed StarOffice recently (that part seemed to go fine), but
> now I can't seem to get the program to start. The README says to execute
> the script /Office50/bin/soffice, but I've had no luck. The Stardivision
> web site doesn't seem to have a lot of help docs up. Any ideas? I am also
> trying to figure out how to create icons for it in Afterstep.
> thanks,
> Craig Shields
First, from a terminal window cd to the directory where the exe is
located... something like /home/username/Office50/bin. Then from the
command line type soffice & then enter. If the program comes up, it is
indeed functioning. This WILL take a little time. It doesn't load really
fast.
Now that you have verified that SO works, you need to add it to your
path, probably in .bash_profile, usually in the form of
$HOME/Office50/bin. Look at the other entries and match it. Save your
updated profile.
Now from the command line, cd to a non SO directory, and try the
command again. This will verify your updated path. Close SO. Now you get
to play with AfterStep.
How you add it to the start menu, or Wharf, depends on which exact
version of AS you have. This if for AS 1.0.6. If you go into your home
directoy/GNUstep/Library/AfterStep, you will see various folders
corresponding to the groupings on your start menu.Pick a group, or put
it in the root. You generally need to just create a text file, which has
the command "soffice &" (no quotes) Save it as the name you want to
appear in the menu. Then in the AS startmenu, go to "Desktop", and click
"Update StartMenu". You should be off and running. You can also add
icons to the start menu, and add it to Wharf. Try this yourself, reading
through the existing config file(s), and I think you will see how its
done. Wharf is a little short on docs, but there is info located via the
command man wharf. The config file itself is pretty well commented.
Barbara A. Severance
The Digital Horseman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:23:38 GMT
On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:08:33 +0000, "A. S. Campling"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jeraimee wrote:
>> KDE as changed my use of Linux, now even my 6 year old daughter isn't afraid
>> to use the system, she runs netstat when I am working on the network, card
>> games, paints, writes letters, prints... totally different than before, she
>> was lost (as was the wife).
>
>> P.G. wrote in message <7af0be$d10$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >OK here is a question. I used linux sometime ago, always using fvwm. Now I
>> >installed RH5.2 on my new machine. I am trying to figure out which desktop
>> >manager to use. KDE seems nice, and I like the drag and drop capabilities
>> >(which I think it has?). Now when Rh was installing I saw that gnome was an
>> >option and I installed it.
>> >
>> >Is gnome working with kde or are two products aiming in the same direction?
>> >
>> >Bottom line: Any suggestions on which desktop environment is best? and how
>> >I choose which one to run?
>
>Well, let me see what I can offer, all my knowledge comes second hand
>about KDE, but firsthand from GNOME.
>
>KDE GNOME
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Is a full desktop environment is an environment, but does not have
>with a manager, applications, a manager, per se. Has
>applications,
>and so forth and offers a nice interface. It is
> designed to work with another
>manager
>based on the QT widget set,
>which is not open-source and based on the GTK+ widget set, which
>is
>isn't necessarily free completely open-source and free
>
>Many applications need to be GNOME integrates with whatever
>environ-
>written with special KDE stuff ment it's in. gpm-style cut 'n'
>paste
>for gpm-style cut and paste to works without special stuffs coded
>in.
>work right.
KDE First Hand
==============
based on QT
Open scouce but based in a widget that isn't
the software is free (including the libs)
provides an environment and front end apps to
some config stuff and kdm is better looking than xdm
gpm-style cut a past works with most apps
including staroffice4/5, netscape 3/4.0x, wp7/8
>
>At any rate, if you're looking for an X-windows manager, GNOME will not
>help you. Try AfterStep, WindowMaker, or fvwm2. Support open-source
>code. that's my recommendation. If you want to see GNOME in action, in
>you .Xclients file in your home dir, under the name of your actualy
>xclient (afterstep, fvwm2, windowmaker, whatever) add a second line with
>the word "panel" in it (sans quotes). This will pop up the GNOME-panel
>next time you type startx. Try it, it's fun.
>
> (o_ Aric S Campling
> (o_ (o_ //\ Linux is user-friendly. It's just not idiot-friendly.
> (/)_ (/)_ V_/_ <Live Long and Prosper>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uninstall Linux from dual boot w/ win98
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:16:38 -0800
> any suggestions? Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sure, reconfigure lilo to only do the windows partition.
Then run 'lilo', then delete your linux partition.
The reboot, and run fdisk /mbr (or whatever real way to do this is) in
DOS.
Then run fdisk again to create a new FAT partition, reboot and format
new disk.
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From: Chris Ediger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Network Administrators - why is pay so low?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:52:12 -0800
brian moore wrote:
>
[--- snip ---]
> The real problem (which has made it hard to get raises for me) is that if
> you do your job well, the typical admin isn't noticed. For example, we
> were beginning to see slow downs in mail access when /var/mail started
> getting fat, so I switched to a hashed directory structure to get rid of
> the big-directory-with-lots-of-writes problems. This was done with
> precisely no downtime. (I hacked the daemons and procmail to look in
> both places, moved a few mailboxes to test things, then moved the rest.)
> "No downtime" can make it appear that you are doing nothing. Less useful
> admins (ie, those that have systems constantly crashing) always look busy
> so management things they must be worth something.
Oig! I thought it was just me. My value seemed to vary inversely with
system uptime. The rest of the time, I was denigrated for being
"lazy"...
> If the question at review time is "um, just what is it that you do", you
> have the bane of being an admin. It's almost tempting to be a complete
> screwup and let my systems crash all the time, but that would be so much
> more work than caring for them. :)
I held a government position for three years. Just as the
system/network began to work seamlessly and I had fewer fires to put
out, I got a bad review (and no raise) because I wasn't doing anything
high-profile. Discussion had no effect, and I eventually decided to
move on. Oh well, I miss having all my neat toys. (My replacement
lasted for less than 90 days; he was VERY high-profile!)
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