Linux-Misc Digest #672, Volume #21 Sat, 4 Sep 99 20:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: News reader and email app? (Hal Burgiss)
Re: PPP Speed problem (John Hasler)
Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself (Bill Unruh)
Re: Kernel will not boot. (Craig Toshack)
Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: News reader and email app? (Jen & Dan Harris)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution ("Todd Meade")
Re: Supported Harware (Ed Wilts)
Re: HDD losing data? (Justin B Willoughby)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Armin Steinhoff)
MP3 Studio for Linux? ... (Neil Cherry)
Preserving The File Timestamps (Young4ert)
Advantage of ext2 over vfat??? (Jason Bond)
Re: What approach to take? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
scsi-spin (Stephen Tse)
Re: Will this ever change? (Rod Smith)
Re: PPP Speed problem (ORRIN)
Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$ (Ken Wong)
Re: Advantage of ext2 over vfat??? (William Burrow)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: News reader and email app?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 4 Sep 1999 17:25:15 -0500
On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:22:38 -0400, Jack Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Could anyone recommend some good News reader and email app for Linux?
>
Mutt as mail client, slrn for news. Both are text based which means they
faster and more configurable. You can make them look pretty decent in X
with color syntax highlighting. Both work well with vim -- if you're
into powerful text editors.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Linux helps those who help themselves
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PPP Speed problem
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:03:02 GMT
ORRIN writes:
> After more than a month of tearing out what little hair I've got, I
> finally managed to get pppd to negociate a session with my ISP. When I
> reduced the connection speed to 19200 bps, everything worked!
What other speeds did you try? 33600 won't work: it is a modem speed, not
a serial port speed. Besides, you want the serial port speed to be faster
than the modem speed so that the modem will not run out of data due to
compression. Try 115200.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself
Date: 4 Sep 1999 21:32:49 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cocheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>if a program must be compiled before running, is it possible to "Uncompile"
>it somehow? and if so... Could it be possible to reveal (even to some
>degree) the code in order to figure out what we all want to know?
Yes, you can uncompile code, but it is not a unique result. In
particular, you have no idea what that particular piece of code does or
why it was inserted into the program. you have to figure out everything
by context. Ie, it is possible but a very
difficult job ( and impossible for the 100 or greater MB of code in
something like Windows.)
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From: Craig Toshack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,sbay.linux,umich.linux,com.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Kernel will not boot.
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:23:14 -0400
Byron Miller wrote:
> when running configure, disable anything thats not on your system,
> and include what you can as modules. This will shrink up your kernel.
>
> -byron
>
> Byron Miller Consulting | http://www.reliabilityfactor.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice: (717) 397-7020
I wish it were that easy... The image I compiled is smaller than the
original install and everything that I could make a modules is a module.
--
What Happens if you get scared half to death twice?
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:43:05 -0400
> ... all windows versions have 2 "backdoors" for
> allowing all the MS team and the Government also to over ride all
> encryption... i am finally sick of their treatment to consumers.
>
> As we all know Gates Latest move of distributing Billions to charity will
> write him out of a "Guilty" verdict as he always has before. So it is now
> up to "US" to figure it out on our own.
Three small things:
1) Your understanding of sofware engineering is very weak.
2) Your understanding of the relationships between Linux,
Microsoft, and the United Sates Federal Government are weaker
still.
3) There is no "us", as you put it (i.e. with yourself begin
included)... you still have a long ways to go.
Steve
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From: Jen & Dan Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: News reader and email app?
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 16:34:38 -0500
Hal Burgiss wrote:
>
> On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:22:38 -0400, Jack Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Could anyone recommend some good News reader and email app for Linux?
> >
>
> Mutt as mail client, slrn for news. Both are text based which means they
> faster and more configurable. You can make them look pretty decent in X
> with color syntax highlighting. Both work well with vim -- if you're
> into powerful text editors.
>
> --
> Hal B
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> --
> Linux helps those who help themselves
netscape communicator is also good solution for both
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From: "Todd Meade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:41:41 -0700
Armin Steinhoff <Armin@Steinhoff_de> wrote in message
news:7qrukt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <7qrou1$a1m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> says...
> >
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >Juergen Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>x-no-archive: yes
> >>
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linus Torvalds) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sure, teh QNX microkernel is pretty uncrashable. But have you ever
asked
> >>> yourself why? Maybe because it doesn't do all that much.
> >>
> >>hello Linus, how much of change would the kernel need to get it
> >>sheduling a la QNX and Kickstart ?
> >
> >And we would like to have that exactly why?
> >
> >Somebody ported lmbench to QNX, and preliminary results show QNX having
> >rather worse scheduling latencies etc than Linux. I don't think you
> >realize how many people have NOT used QNX, and as such there's a lot of
> >things that people just take for granted rather than actually have any
> >proof for.
>
> Ditto ... where are the numbers :-) ?
>
> Armin
>
Arguing over nanoseconds of latency isn't the point.
I have an interesting story of Linux vs. QNX.
The nfsd of the server I was talking to returned something that the Linux
nfs client didn't like. Guess what happened. Since the nfs client was
running in kernel space and it went into an infinite loop due to simple
understandable logic error in client code the entire OS locked up. Sure you
can blame the nfs client and not the kernel code, but I blame the
fundamental OS design.
Sure you can lock up QNX, but a simple client level service wouldn't take
the whole machine down in 99.9% of the cases. Linux on the other hand,
IMHO, crashed and burned far too easily.
Now, this isn't an issue of "QNX serves a specialized niche market". It's a
general OS design issue. QNX is a general purpose OS from all definitions.
It simply serves a specialized niche market due to marketing and economics,
not design..
Don't get me wrong, I use Linux daily, and sure QNX has it's warts, but I
just can't buy off on this Linux has a better faster kernel nonsense.
BTW, there is already a kernel patch for a subset of QNX style scheduling.
Just my $0.02,
Todd
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From: Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Supported Harware
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:21:04 GMT
"Robert J. Schweikert" wrote:
>
> Where can I find a list of currently supported hardware, of biggest
> interest I suppose are the Graphics cards?
Each distributor typically has a supported hardware list online. I know
that Redhat and Mandrake both do.
For graphics cards, you need to determine if you're going to be using
the free drivers, or commercial ones. For XFree86 support, check
http://www.xfree86.org/3.3.5/README3.html#3. Change the 3.3.5 to
whatever version you're interested in. For commercial drivers, check
the vendor's web site.
--
Ed Wilts
Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: HDD losing data?
Date: 4 Sep 1999 21:27:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
John Girash ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : It looks like the machine was caching the files to memory and not
> : writing to the disk, so that when rebooting the files were lost. This is
> : a worrying problem and I don't know if this is likely to be a kernel
> : problem or a hardware problem or a problem with something distributed
> : with Mandrake.
>
> The kernel should *not* act like that. I'd start checking hardware/drives.
There was a small thread a few months back where someone said a version of
Mandrake had forgoten to have kflush (or some type of program, can't
remember right now) running which writes the cache to disk. This sounds
just like your problem. You might want to use deja.com to do a power
search for `Mandrake cache` in this newsgroup and see what comes up.
- Justin
--
_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ RULES!! * LINUX RULES *
_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ Justin Willoughby
_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ http://justinw.net
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ ---- Jesus Is Lord ----
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From: Armin Steinhoff <Armin@Steinhoff_de>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.os.qnx
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: 4 Sep 1999 13:12:52 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mitchell says...
>
>In comp.os.qnx Froilan P Montenegro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Actually, take a look (if you haven't already) at the Ballista project
>> at Carnegie Mellon
>> ('http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/edrc-ballista/www/') in which QNX
>> was found to be the least robust amongst several major POSIX compliant
>> OS's (including Linux). An interesting response by QNX is also posted
>> there.
>
>Don't you just love drive by shootings like this. I took a look at
>ballista.
Ditto ..
> As best as I could figure out, they don't like QNX because
>it aborts processes that perform memory violations.
IMHO ... their aproach to messure robustness is far too simple.
It's up to the user application to catch exceptions in order to analyse if the
user task can recover from that software problem or not.
The exception handling is similar to the processing of a negative return code
of a POSIX routine ... and it has less overhead.
>Can someone help me out here?
That are my 2 cents ..
Armin Steinhoff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cherry)
Subject: MP3 Studio for Linux? ...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:54:14 GMT
I was wondering what is a good program to create MP3s. I'm not just
talking about from CDs but from things like the microphone input also
(create your own Inet Radio programs). I tried to find MP3 Studio but
the link seems to be dead and I got th impression that it's now a
program that you need to purchase (I'm only looking into this and not
that serious about it).
--
Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics GB)
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From: Young4ert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Preserving The File Timestamps
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:49:52 GMT
Hi,
I am wondering if there is a way to preserve the timestamps of a file
downloaded through the web browser. If I use ncftp, the file timestamps
remains the same as the original. However, there seem to be more
download offers through web pages than FTP.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PS> Remove the "4" from e-mail address to respond.
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From: Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Advantage of ext2 over vfat???
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:47:00 -0700
I'm thinking of taking back a vfat partition from
the evil empire and giving it back to the good.
But windows doesn't access ext2 partitions (right?)
and there wouldn't be much room left to work
in windows (if the terrible day ever came) if I did so.
Linux can write and read from vfat partitions, so my
questions is: what [speed, other] benefits
are there to running linux off of a ext2 partition
rather than a vfat? Thanks much,
Jason
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.alpha,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: What approach to take?
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 23:17:25 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I work for a technical services provider on a contract for government
>> regulatory agency with some scientific research. There is a possibility
>> that we will be provided funding to do a test project involving building
>> two Beowulf clusters with Alpha chips running a linux operating system,
>> then networking these two together. I have been asked to familarize
>> myself with linux and programming in such an environment in order to
>> prepare for the task of porting some code running on MPPs to these
>> clusters.
>>
>> I am trying to figure out my plan of attack. I have been asked to start
>> with getting myself familar with linux (I guess for the purpose of
>> having the flexibility to move me before things really start to another
>> part of the project). Are there any good books, websites, courses,
>> whatever, for learning about programming in a linux environment? Anyone
>> out there programming on a cluster running in linux?
Take this shopping list to your network support staff and specify that
used equipment is quite acceptable, stats are minimums, and that
reasonable substitutions are good.
Machine 1: 486/66, 32MB RAM, 2 gig IDE disk capacity, 2-meg SVGA video
card, Ethernet 10baseT NIC, SVGA monitor, keyboard, mouse, floppy
drive, CDROM.
Machines 2 & 3: 486/33, 16 MB RAM, 500 meg IDE disk capacity, SVGA
video card (or whatever video card and its own matching monitor),
Ethernet 10BaseT NIC, floppy drive. Laptops preffered (but PCMCIA
network cards have proven problematic when installing); desktop cases
second choice (they stack well); towers third choice.
(Note: Alpha or PowerPC processors are acceptable instead of Intels,
but all three computers should have the same kind of processor; speed
variations are allowed, but you need to be able to run precisely the
same executables on all machines.)
4-port 10baseT concentrator
Cables
Either a monitor/mouse/keyboard switchbox supporting 3 or more
computers, or additional keyboards and mice for machines 2 and 3 (you
can switch VGA monitors on the fly with little chance of trouble, but
mice and keyboards are problematic).
With this stuff, most of which they probably have stacked up waiting
to ship out the door in some fashion, you can assemble a (small)
Beowulf system. Get the specifics on the hardware they have on hand
and check it against the oft-cited hardware compatibility lists; or if
they prefer you can give them a reference to the list.
Then start learning by doing.
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Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user
Subject: scsi-spin
From: Stephen Tse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 23:28:40 GMT
Hi, Martin! I searched deja and found your article. Have you found the =
solution yet? I am also very interested in turning off my noisy scsi
cdr driver. scsi-config does not work for me either.
cr610941-a:/proc/scsi# uname -a
Linux cr610941-a 2.2.11 #1 Thu Sep 2 16:09:53 PDT 1999 i586 unknown
cr610941-a:/proc/scsi# cat /proc/scsi/scsi =
Attached devices: =
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00
Vendor: MATSHITA Model: CD-R CW-7502 Rev: 4.10
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
cr610941-a:/earth/xemacs# scsi-spin --down /dev/scd0 =
Failure opening /dev/scd0
cr610941-a:/earth/xemacs# scsi-spin --down /dev/sg0
Failure opening /dev/sg0
==========================>
Asked this in hardware and questions already and didn't see
any answers... Has anybody else besides me tried the scsi-spin
utility from hwtools package (available from Debian)???
=A0
=========================================================
=A0
I'm among those who would like to occasionally shut the noisy
disks down, so I downloaded and installed hwtools_0.4-1.deb which contai=
ns scsi-spin. It sounded very promising but in reality =
produces only this:
=A0
=A0 kaste:~# scsi-spin --down /dev/sda
=A0 /dev/sda is not a generic SCSI device.
=A0
or this:
=A0
=A0 kaste:~# scsi-spin --down /dev/sg0
=A0 /dev/sg0 is not a generic SCSI device.
=A0
This is so no matter whether I compile generic scsi support in
or load it as a module (and lsmod lists it).
=A0
Am I supposed to do something else as well to get this
disk to spin down? There is no documentation and I can't find the source =
either (which of course might or might not help given my
pretty limited expertise in this area...). I've looked at =
SCSI howto and SCSI Programming Howto and found no clues.
Haven't dared to program it myself yet.
=A0
(I've heard about the scsi-idle kernel patch, but would prefer
the above mentioned "solution", if it works somehow, of course.) =
=A0
Any help or pointers are very appreciated.
=A0
=A0 Martin=A0 =A0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=A0
P.S.
=A0
kaste:~# uname -a
Linux kaste 2.0.34 #3 Sat Jun 12 00:22:30 EDT 1999 i586 unknown
=A0
kaste:~# more /proc/scsi/scsi
Attached devices: =
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
=A0 Vendor: FUJITSU=A0 Model: M2915Q-512=A0 =A0 =A0 Rev: 0127
=A0 Type:=A0 Direct-Access=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ANSI S=
CSI revision: 02 =
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Will this ever change?
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 23:43:41 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Christopher R. Carlen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have been using Linux for a few years.
>
> I consistently run into this situation: I make a graphic in one
> program, and I want to use it in another program.
>
> In Windows, I copy and paste. Done!
...
> But in Linux I must export some format that is compatible with the
> destination program
...
> I can also not understand fonts in Linux.
...
> Why can Windows do this so well, and Linux (X Window System) can't?
When "it" refers to cutting and pasting between applications, the cause is
that Windows has a much better clipboard technology for cutting and
pasting between applications. This is part of Windows or the X Window
system, and it's a set of tools that applications are invited to use.
They generally do in Windows, but as the underlying tools are so crude in
Linux, it just doesn't get used much, except for text.
When "it" refers to fonts, it's because the X font model is different from
the Windows font model, and just isn't as flashy. Since you mentioned
WordPerfect, I'll add that WP pretty much ignores the X font model and
uses its own instead. You can read more about WP's fonts on my web site:
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod/wpfonts.html.
> Will it ever change?
Probably, but it'll be slow. Even if some APIs came out tomorrow to
improve these matters, and even if everybody agrees these were Good
Things, there's still a huge installed base of programs that would need
to be changed. Since this is **NOT** a Linux issue per se, but an X
Window System issue, it's not something that we in the Linux community
can tackle by ourselves. The likes of Sun Microsystems, IBM, Silicon
Graphics, and others will all have to get together and agree on the new
protocols. That said, there may be fixes for particular environments. I
don't know if this is the case, but as a hypothetical for instance, KDE
might implement some sort of inter-application clipboard, but that
wouldn't do non-KDE programs much good.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~smithrod
Author of _Special Edition Using Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux_, from Que
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From: ORRIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PPP Speed problem
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 18:53:16 -0400
On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 16:03:02 GMT, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>ORRIN writes:
>> After more than a month of tearing out what little hair I've got, I
>> finally managed to get pppd to negociate a session with my ISP. When I
>> reduced the connection speed to 19200 bps, everything worked!
>
>What other speeds did you try? 33600 won't work: it is a modem speed, not
>a serial port speed. Besides, you want the serial port speed to be faster
>than the modem speed so that the modem will not run out of data due to
>compression. Try 115200.
At 38400 & 115200, pppd fails to negotiate the session with the BSDI
host.
=============================
Orrin - Long Island, New York
Orrin's Caribbean Index - http://www.orrin.org/carib/
Syosset Camera Club - http://www.orrin.org/syocc/
HS Class Reunion - http://www.orrin.org/wphs/
Our e-mail address is at http://www.orrin.org/email.html
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From: Ken Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My Linux crashes more often than M$
Date: 5 Sep 1999 00:10:05 GMT
Noah Roberts (jik-) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <877lmhm7c7.fsf@Ill-
Logic.burn>:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles E. Taylor IV) writes:
>
>
>As to the subject......
>
>I too have been having Linux troubles as of late....it freezes
>completely at seemingly random intervals. I have reinstalled from
>scratch now and it hasn't happened again...yet...its only been 3 days.
Me too. I am using Mandrake 6.0, which is suppose to be very similar to
RedHat 6.0.
It does freeze very randomly, without reason. Sometimes when I am using vi,
sometimes using less, sometimes when I am scrolling through Netscape. And
when it freezes I have to reboot the machine.
Then all the data is lost (of course) and then I have to use fsck manually
to fix badblock/inode overlapping (or whatever). Still the session freezes,
say, after 5 to 10 minutes of uptime.
I don't it happened when just using console (ie not in X). Seems to me it
is the problem of X. I have tried both KDE and FVWM2, both freezes with no
reason. I have 64M of RAM and ~192M swap space.
Any thoughts of what is going on? Does a re-install really do the magic?
Thanks heaps.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Advantage of ext2 over vfat???
Date: 4 Sep 1999 23:48:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:47:00 -0700,
Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>But windows doesn't access ext2 partitions (right?)
There is software that will access an ext2 partition from Windows, I
believe. Also, while it is technically possible to make Windows access
an ext2 partition, I don't think anyone has done this.
>and there wouldn't be much room left to work
>in windows (if the terrible day ever came) if I did so.
Well, I reassessed a 300 meg DOS partition (oops, forgot the magic
cluster size barrier doing that) to around 100 meg. There just isn't
much left for me to do under DOS anymore. And what there is, is for
amusement (not games either ;) or proprietary software with data looking
to be migrated to something else.
>Linux can write and read from vfat partitions, so my
>questions is: what [speed, other] benefits
>are there to running linux off of a ext2 partition
>rather than a vfat?
There is speed, speed and speed. Of course, there are other factors,
such as permissions, speed, security, speed, robustness, speed, space
efficiency and speed. I'm sure you get the idea.
I'm not sure if there is anyone who would admit to running Linux on an
UMSDOS file system today, but that is what you would have to use
(because of the permissions -- Linux doesn't work without them).
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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