Linux-Misc Digest #622, Volume #24 Sun, 28 May 00 05:13:04 EDT
Contents:
shutdown.allow (Thomas Luzat)
Re: Where can I get modem driver for linux? (Bob Martin)
Re: gnome question ("Kevin Vandersloot")
Linux Computer Choice ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to tell which linux I'm in ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Problems with VIA686 sound-chipset (ALSA) and Red Hat 6.2 (Rod Smith)
Re: How to tell which linux I'm in ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
[OT?] Newbie: kernel programming qn. (Nosediver)
Re: sprintf bug? (Tony Hammitt)
Gicq only works as root (Jason B)
Re: democracy? (Loren Petrich)
Re: What web server? (Stefan Berglund)
Re: Linux Computer Choice (brian moore)
alt.os.linux/comp.os.linux.misc/nf.comp.linux (Hendrix)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Mark Wilden)
/boot/module-info (Silviu Minut)
Re: FTP & TELNET (Brandon)
Re: Help updating ncurses (Silviu Minut)
Re: xf86config Question (Silviu Minut)
Re: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: CAUTION: I am under attack from an incompetent hacker probably in germany (Paul
Sture)
Re: CAUTION: I am under attack from an incompetent hacker probably in germany (Paul
Sture)
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From: Thomas Luzat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: shutdown.allow
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 04:19:06 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I've got the following problem with shutdown:
I want to allow root and other users I added to shutdown.allow a
reboot with ctrl-alt-del. Hence I created the necessary entries in
/etc/inittab and /etc/shutdown.allow. /etc/shutdown.allow contains the
following line:
test
test is the only user besides root which should be allowed to do a
reboot by pressing ctrl-alt-del. Now 'shutdown -t 1 -a -r now' doesn't
seem to workt. It doesn't seem to matter whether root or test is
logged in, all the time I get the following message:
shutdown: no authorized users logged in
or something like that. Have I missed something? Maybe it's gotta do
something with /var/run/utmp?
Thomas
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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where can I get modem driver for linux?
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 21:48:40 -0500
"stunleyc@ultraline" wrote:
>
> Hi, everybody
> I (Poor Boy) am a new linux user . I have problem in getting
> linux modem driver.
> Can you tell where to find linux driver .
> Besides , how to configure linux so as to allow me to connect to
> the internet.
> Moreover, I can't listen music in linux as I don't know where to
> find my sound card driver and how to configure the sound card.
>
> thanks,
> Linuxlover
Modems do not have drivers, they are serial devices connected to a
serial port
--
Bob Martin
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From: "Kevin Vandersloot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gnome question
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 02:52:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Alexander Antonakakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> It is a little silly but how can I change the
> font type and color on my gnome desktop icons. I
> use gnome with enlightenment 0.16.3 for my X.
They are hard coded. You would have to edit the
source to change them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux Computer Choice
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 03:22:36 GMT
I am planning on buying an Athlon Red Hat Linux 6.2 computer. I have
narrowed my choices down to three companies. Does anyone have any
experiences with either of these three companies:
http://www.penguincomputing.com
http://www.unionbuiltbox.com
http://www.indybox.com
Any help would be appreciated
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to tell which linux I'm in
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:42:14 -0500
On 27 May 2000, Tom Fawcett wrote:
+ * Tong * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
+ > > > More orver, here's the info I got by 'uname -a' from a famous site,
+ > > >
+ > > > Linux sdf 2.0.36 #5 Sat May 13 22:56:46 GMT 2000 i686 unknown
+ > > >
+ > > > how can I know more detail info about it, e.g. vender, version...
+ > > > anything.
+ > >
+ > > Vendor of what? Version of what?
+ >
+ > Sorry, I mean whether it is debian/slackware, RH 6.0 or RH 6.1... that
+ > sort of things
+
+ By convention, /etc/issue or /etc/issue.net contain information like this,
+ printed by getty before the login prompt. I don't know how many
+ distributions put information there, but Red Hat and Mandrake do, and
+ Debian probably does as well.
Well, Slackware doesn't..
lark:/etc# cat /etc/issue
Welcome to Linux 2.2.13.
You should be able to `echo $MACHTYPE` to see what type
of distribution you are using.
Regards,
anm
--
/*-------------------------------------------------------.
| Andrew N. McGuire |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Problems with VIA686 sound-chipset (ALSA) and Red Hat 6.2
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 04:02:08 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8gpj82$k9d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marc Geerlings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Duane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> but mine looks like
>> this and works ok (FWIW - Redhat 6.1 and Epox EP-7KXA motherboard):
>>
>
> Thank you for you reaction.
> I tried it but know it seems that my problem boils down to one,
> It seems that snd-pcm.o has one unresolved symbol,
> when I install the driver section of ALSA the install warn me about
> this:
>
> /lib/modules/2.2.14-6.1.1/snd-pcm.o: unresolved symbol
I don't have this problem, but in my experience, unresolved symbols in
kernel modules are usually caused by interrupted builds or strange
configuration incompatibilities. Also, from the location of that file,
it looks like you tried to build ALSA against a kernel that came with
Red Hat. Red Hat's been known to do strange things with their kernels on
occasion. Therefore, I'd recommend that you download a kernel (in
tarball form) from http://www.kernel.org, compile it, install it, reboot
with it, then wipe your ALSA directories, extract the source FRESH (*DO
NOT* try to use your existing ALSA configuration) and build ALSA fresh.
I know this sounds like a lot of work, but if my experiences with
similar problems are any guide, it'll be a lot easier to do it this way
than to try to track down the source of the problem.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to tell which linux I'm in
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:08:54 -0500
On Sat, 27 May 2000, Andrew N. McGuire wrote:
+ On 27 May 2000, Tom Fawcett wrote:
+
[ snip ]
+ + > > > how can I know more detail info about it, e.g. vender, version...
+ + > > > anything.
+ + > >
[ snip ]
+ You should be able to `echo $MACHTYPE` to see what type
+ of distribution you are using.
Let me add something, this may not give version information
( 6.0, 6.1 ). To tell you the truth, I do not know where
exactly to be the best place to get specific version info
on *all* dists. I suppose you could check through the
system init scripts... Also I am not sure $MACHTYPE will
always define the OS type... You may also be able to
try `gcc -dumpmachine`, which should give dist info, but
still not version information... Hmmmpf.
Regards,
anm
--
/*-------------------------------------------------------.
| Andrew N. McGuire |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
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From: Nosediver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [OT?] Newbie: kernel programming qn.
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:01:50 +0800
HI all.
GIST: Where can I ask newbie questions about Linux kernel programming for
layer 2?
Pardon me if this is not the right place to ask this question. But since
there might be some gurus lurking in the list, can one of you please
redirect me appropriately?
I need to do some device driver selection stuff in Linux for my school
project. I want to make sure I know what to do before getting in full
swing into it.
I appreciate all help.
Many thanks,
-- Su.
******************************************************************************
Sujatha Natraj Singapore
SMTP [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HTTP http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~sujathan [UPDATED!]
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From: Tony Hammitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.alpha
Subject: Re: sprintf bug?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 04:12:53 GMT
sandrews wrote:
>
> Harlan Grove wrote:
> >
> > In article <8gmhrd$jqj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > U.V. Ravindra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm using SuSE 6.3 (Kernel 2.2.13 glibc 2.1.2) on an Alpha EV67.
> > > Here's what I'm trying to do
> > >
> > > char buffr[4096+1]
> > >
> > > ...
> > > ...
> > > printf("before %s\n", buffr);
> > > sprintf(buffr, "0, 0, 0, ");
> > > printf("after %s\n", buffr);
> > >
> > > And I see the output:
> > >
> > > before dwki_nr_ibind(100, fname_var, 0,
> > > after 0, 0, 0,i
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Looks like a bug, but one not shared by i386 Red Hat 6.0 at least.
> >
>
> This is NOT a bug, buffr contains junk @ the first printf statement.
>
> --
What junk are you talking about? There is something else in the
string before the sprintf statement, so what? Lots of people use
the same buffer over and over again in a function. It saves space
and speeds things up.
The string should be "0, 0, 0, " not "0, 0, 0,i". The last space
is missing and other buffer contents were left in its place. UVR
posted a code fragment, not the whole program.
This is most certainly a bug.
Regards,
Tony
> "You can open self extracting archives using PKZIP25.EXE
> or unrar" - censored by Microsoft."
> "You can unzip a self extracting .EXE with WinZip" -BANNED BY MICROSOFT"
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From: Jason B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Gicq only works as root
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 05:12:27 GMT
The title says what my problem is. I know it's kind of a lame
question, but I can't get it to run as a user other than root. When I
login as my other user, I open it, then start it --(go online) , and
it crashes.. Any ideas why anyone? Should I just grab another client?
I'm running Redhat 6.1 btw.. :)
Thanks in advance,
Jason
--
http://members.home.net/jbean3
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: 28 May 2000 05:37:47 GMT
In article <392eb767$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Francis Van Aeken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>The results of these MS breakup polls (consistently 2/3 against) raise some
>interesting questions about the implementation of democracy (in this case in
>the USA).
How many such people are familiar with the anti-Microsoft
litigation and the issues at stake? Here are some possible reasons why
many people may not be familiar with the issue:
* It goes over their heads
* They feel that they have better things to do than be interested in this issue
But among people familiar with computer stuff, there is a big
contingent that seriously dislikes M$. So one may be more likely to
dislike M$ if one is familiar with it.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Berglund)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: What web server?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:32:07 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 27 May 2000 15:10:09 -0400, Leejay Wu wrote:
> Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 28-May-100 Re: What web
> server? by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Your few words wake me up and solve my question. This is really
> > amazing and surprising, Hotmail is using Apache and FreeBSD. I
> > always suppose they should use MS technology and MS IIS.
>
> MS did not start Hotmail; they bought it. Too much of a bother to
> rewrite and restart the whole site, one might suspect.
They tried to do it with their own software and failed, miserably.
Everyone here that gets the mail to postmaster will never forget it...
That mailbox was _flooded_ with one hotmail-bounce more obscure than the
other.
--
/Stefan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Life - the ultimate practical joke
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Linux Computer Choice
Date: 28 May 2000 07:01:55 GMT
On Sun, 28 May 2000 03:22:36 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am planning on buying an Athlon Red Hat Linux 6.2 computer. I have
> narrowed my choices down to three companies. Does anyone have any
> experiences with either of these three companies:
>
> http://www.penguincomputing.com
>
> http://www.unionbuiltbox.com
>
> http://www.indybox.com
>
> Any help would be appreciated
Nope, but I'll give you one more to confuse you. :) I bought my current
machine (and will buy my next one as soon as I have an excuse -- this
one works fine so i'll let it self-obsolete a bit more :)) from ASL
Workstations. See http://www.aslab.com/. They're not the best known
amongst the Linux vendors unless perhaps you read Linux Journal where
they always advertise, but they have nice high quality machines at good
prices and everything just works out of the box.
Of course, I don't work for ASL, I just buy their toys and love 'em. :)
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: Hendrix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,nf.comp.linux
Subject: alt.os.linux/comp.os.linux.misc/nf.comp.linux
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 04:36:16 -0230
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:20:25 +0100
Richard Steiner wrote:
>
> Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >Personally, I use source control for practically everything I do. If for
> >no other reason, because when I'm finished a set of changes, I can
> >compare them to the previous version and make sure I didn't leave in any
> >debugging code, etc.
>
> It's easy to do that using a file comparison utility. :-)
Of course, if you manually keep old versions around, naming them in a
way that lets you retrieve them easily to run the differ on. Whereas,
with VC, I can see what I've changed with a couple of keystrokes in
Emacs.
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: /boot/module-info
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 03:51:32 -0400
I have seen countless times questions on the misterious
/boot/module-info file in the RedHat distributions, but not many
answers, and there is no reference to "module-info" in the FAQ. How does
one create a /boot/module-info file? What needs it? If one cannot create
it, where can we get it from? I know it is in kernel-2.2.x.rpm, but
there must be an easier way. Afterall, how does RH build it?
I'm not asking because I have no better things to do, but because
-believe it or not - my module-info has vanished into thin air. I have
not done anything, not even by mistake, to delete it, I was just minding
my own business. I did upgrade glibc and the Xserver, but that was last
week. The system seems to function ok.
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 02:17:35 -0500
From: Brandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FTP & TELNET
It's the same thing for any server. A server provides services, therefore for
those services to work properly every setting has to be correct. The situation
is just like a car, everything has to be working correctly in order for you to
go from point A to point B.
AfterFX wrote:
> Can you explain this in a little more detail - where do I find out about the
> auth service?
>
> The one thing that gets me down more than anything else about Linux is the
> seemingly endless configuration that must be performed just to get a simple
> service running...
>
> : (
>
> Steve
>
> bill davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8gm52g$1c6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > | 1) I setup a FTP server using wu-ftp, when I use CuteFTP in Win98, I
> > | must wait for a long time to login, any idea can speed up it?
> >
> > Two possibilities are DNS failure (or delay) or incorrectly configured
> > response to the auth service. If you don't provide auth you should deny
> > it, not just ignore it, or servers using that service will be slow.
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: redhat.general,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Help updating ncurses
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 04:10:42 -0400
I had the same problem when trying to upgrade the Xserver to 4.0.
Initially I compiled ncurses, and manually installed the libraries (cp to
/usr/lib then ldconfig). Worked ok.
Later, I decided to install ncurses-5.0-12.rpm and since the only conflicts
were with ncurses-4.2, I decided to take a chance and force it. So I did
rpm -ivh --force ncurses-5.0-12.i386.rpm
Sistem seems to work ok. Note that you install (-i) rather than update
(-U).
If you break something on your system, it ain't my fault.
Flounder wrote:
> I am running Redhat 6.2 and I want to update the ncrurses package that
> came with it to the newest ncurses but I also have to keep the old
> version because about a billion programs require it to run. So I have to
> keep both versions and if I can I would like to install the new version
> through a RPM package and not .tgz.
> Please send the response to me at my e-mail.
>
> Thanks in advance
> flounder
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From: Silviu Minut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xf86config Question
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 04:16:55 -0400
>
>
> But now my screen is going beyond my monitor viewable area.
>
It's Q.D2 from http://www.xfree86.org/FAQ/#virtual
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winmodems )Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:44:24 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner) writes:
> Reasonable?! Internal modem is next worst thing to winmodem.
But on the plus side, they don't require the purchase of a separate
serial card for high-speed communication. And they don't take up more
space, need a serial cable, or another power line.
> Modem should be a separate box, attached to the com port with cable.
> Most important thing in this setup are leds and its independent power
> swithch. I don't know how it looks in the West, but here in Russia it is
> qute possible that modem would hang on noisy line and only
> power-cycling would revive it. How'd you power-cycle internal modem?
Dunno. It's never happened to me. I can't imagine it's because our
phone lines are better, because they're so bad that it's easier to
replace them than fix them. Maybe our modems are better-designed?
Problem is, serial ports are almost as overused as parallel ports. I
can think of five devices off the top of my head - still being made,
by the way - that require a serial port. Hopefully these problems
will be solved by USB, but I'm not holding my breath.
> Only thing that I don't like about external modem is that they require
> something other than 5V DC or 12V DC. (typically 12V AC). If they need
> some voltage, which I could get from the main power supply of machine,
> I'd be able to get rid of those power supply units.
You mean the transformers? Granted, they are annoying, but - over
here, at least - there's no 5/12VDC power jack on the outside of our
computers. So we wouldn't have anyplace to plug the modem in.
[drivers etc]
> No, not at all. You need a bunch of driver diskettest to make _windows_
> _think_ your modem works.
> Using Dos terminal program like Telix or self-written Tcl script you
> could make your modem working immediately without any drivers.
Problem is, brilliant PnP devices will try to assign themselves
unusual IRQs. (Which would be a good idea if not for the fact that
serial ports didn't work that way 'til PnP.) And Amazing Windows
will change *every single IRQ in your system* (sometimes) to
accomodate a new device.
[one should never "install" a modem]
> Why? You don't consider unscrewing case, finding ISA slot, fiddling with
> IRQ-s "installing"? It can turn into half an hour of downtime.
Yep. And PCI modems are stupid. (Remind me why we need all that
bus bandwidth for something that will never pass 56Kb/s?)
> External modems are ones whose installation doesn't interrupt system
> operation. You bring in from shop, you connect it, you turn it on, and
> other users of your machine do their work in the same time.
I'll spare you a bad joke on interrupts.
--
Eric P. McCoy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
non-combatant, n. A dead Quaker.
- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:42:02 +0200
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: CAUTION: I am under attack from an incompetent hacker probably in germany
From: Paul Sture <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <8gougs$r0e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Karlsson wrote:
> > Peter Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> >> Warning, ugly html below (stop posting html please...)!
> >
On that subject, see the following, contributed by Nigel Arnot, of Kings College
London.
Please feel free to adapt to your own needs.
On Word documents:
Dear Webmaster,
re: [URL]
The above URL on your website is a Microsoft .doc file. As a matter of policy
I do not view such files because it seems fundamentally impossible to be
certain that they do not contain a viral payload (which could be a new
virus that no current virus scanner can recognise, and which could have
infiltrated your organisation without your knowledge). You might also
wish to ponder the legal implications with respect to customers less
cautious than myself!
In addition I should point out that customers viewing your site using
Linux or any other Unix, VMS, or a mainframe operating system, may not be in a
position to view the file.
Might I suggest that you reformulate the file as HTML (which you can do,
albeit inadequately, using "save as" in the Microsoft product), or if its
precise format is critically important, as an Adobe .pdf file or a Postscript
printer .ps file. (You might wish to offer your customers the choice between
all of these as many other web-sites do).
Unless you do so, I shall remain in ignorance of the contents
of the above URL, and this may of course result in me choosing to do
business with someone else.
Yours Faithfully
etc.
==================================
On Web sites:
Dear webmaster,
re:
The above URL on your website is virtually unreadable using the Netscape 4.7
web browser. I am letting you know, since it may be giving an unfortunate
impression of your organisation to the many users of non-Microsoft browsers.
The problem appears to be caused by your use of a Microsoft product to
prepare the page, that generates HTML that is largely incompatible
with viewers other than Microsoft's own Internet Explorer. It is alleged
in the current USG anti-trust action against Microsoft that this is no
mere accident, but a deliberate anti-competitive act.
I have chosen to remain loyal to Netscape, both for the above reason and
because I have no confidence that use of Internet explorer is compatible with
maintaining my computer free from viruses and other "malware". In
addition, I should point out that Internet Explorer is not available
to users of Linux, Unix, VMS and other non-Microsoft operating systems.
Might I suggest that you prepare your web pages using one of numerous
third-party products which generate standard-conforming HTML that will
display well on any web-browser rather than favoring a particular one.
Yours Faithfully
etc.
Paul Sture
Switzerland (2 email addresses closed down today due to spam, and
it's only 10:30 on a Sunday - who wants to be next?)
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:42:04 +0200
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: CAUTION: I am under attack from an incompetent hacker probably in germany
From: Paul Sture <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <LJVX4.134400$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rod Smith wrote:
> In article <8gougs$r0e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Karlsson) writes:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> Peter Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> >>> Warning, ugly html below (stop posting html please...)!
> >>
> >> And if you could post with line breaks at 72, that's make yours more
> >> readable as well.
> >
> > Why not use a newsreader that can break the line at col 72 (or whatever
> > column you want).
>
> Because not everybody has access to such tools. Sure, they're common
> today, but not universal. 80-column displays and non-wrapping software
> are particularly common is less-developed parts of the world, which
> often use donated equipment. For that reason, it's the accepted
> standard to break lines at something less than 80 columns. To quote
> from the news.misc/news.answers FAQ:
>
> : In preparing an article, be aware that other people's machines are
> : not the same as yours. The following is a list of things to keep
> : in mind:
> : * Keep your lines under 80 characters, and under 72 if possible (so that
> : the lines won't get longer than 80 when people include them when
> : responding to your postings). Most editors have a fill or format mode
> : that will do this for you automatically. Make sure that it
> : actually puts ("hard") newline characters into the file, rather
> : than just wrapping the displayed lines on your screen.
>
I like 64 characters per line or less. I believe that dates back to when I used to use
CompuServe, but IIRC, also coincides with the number of characters per
line for telex systems too.
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