Linux-Misc Digest #388, Volume #25                Tue, 8 Aug 00 23:13:02 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Almost Lost New Hard Drive After Linux Install (NoMadis)
  Re: converting Eudora mailboxes (vanepelw)
  Re: Mandrake ate my HD :( (Jerry L Kreps)
  Re: Linux on AMD (shook)
  RE: windows and LINUX ("Miguel Martínez")
  Re: fwd: China's Red Flag Linux to fly IPO (Martha H Adams)
  RTFM'ed to death.. ("Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H.")
  Re: howto see all cdrecord multi-sessions (Paul Lew)
  Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  How to set up default file and directory right for all user access ? ("K. M. Lau")
  Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Patton Echols)
  Copyright Complexities (Christopher Browne)
  Re: AVI/Mov Players for Linux (Carl Fink)
  Newbie need help with memory leaks (So_Funky)
  Re: loadlin problem (Valentin Guillen)
  linux won't boot (Yonatan Mittlefehldt)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NoMadis)
Subject: Re: Almost Lost New Hard Drive After Linux Install
Date: 9 Aug 2000 01:25:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tue, 08 Aug  Svend Olaf Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (NoMadis) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Aug 2000 Svend Olaf Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>><<SNIP>>
>>
>>>I have a BIOS that supports large disks, and a 9670 MB harddisk.
>>>According to Linux fdisk the partition tables look like this:
>>>
>>>Disk /dev/hdc: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 1232 cylinders
>>>Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
>>>
>>>   Device Boot    Start       End    Blocks   Id  System
>>>/dev/hdc1   *       127       256   1044193+   6  FAT16
>>>/dev/hdc2           257       512   2056320    7  HPFS/NTFS
>>>/dev/hdc3           513       768   2056320   16  Hidden FAT16
>>>/dev/hdc4          1024      1232   1678792+   5  Extended
>>>/dev/hdc5          1024      1029     48163+  82  Linux swap
>>>/dev/hdc6          1030      1200   1373526   83  Linux
>>>
>>>I cannot boot DOS when this disk is in the system, not even from
>>>floppy. Why?
>>
>>
>>because you forgot to partition cylinders 1 to 126.
>>
>>DOS is too braindead to be able to find itself on some partition that
>>starts somewhere halfway up your disk.
>>repartition your disk, make cylinders 1 to 126 your c: drive.
>>This will also gain you and extra gigabyte or so  (:
>>make it bootable from a dos floppy by executing "format c: /s" from the
>>dos bootfloppy.
>>then install linux, write a good /etc/lilo.conf.
>>execute lilo, and if all went well from the lilo prompt you will be able
>>to boot into dos.
>>
>>Now, what you read in the fdisk manpage is a disclaimer, where the
>>buggyness that is referred to perhaps points to fdisks idiotic behavior
>>to start the cylindercount at 1 instead of 0.
>>However, this doesn't say that you cannot write a suitable partitiontable 
>>with it.
>
>Well, I cannot boot to a DOS floppy, even if delete current hdc1 and
>make a primary FAT partition at 1 based cylinder 1 to 126, zeroes the
>boot sector (and backup boot sector if FAT32), and make that partition
>active, and insert the disk as hda.
>
>Now what? How can I then do format c: /s

well, if you cannot boot from a DOS bootflop you have done something
stupid. Did you set it up as a bootable device in the BIOS? Have you
attached the flatcable with the right connector in the floppy drive?

You dont even need a harddisk in the system to be able to boot from a
floppy. 
Know that it is *DEAD-EASY* to configure a system to be able to boot
into three, four, or five or more operating systems, if you know what
you do, but it is *NEAR IMPOSSIBLE* if you haven't got a clue about
computers but are blindly muckin' around the system, as you seem to do.


>Please note that I know the explanation. You are completely wrong.

You like that sentence, do you?
I considered you being a troll, and I thought of sending you off to my
killfile, where there's more of your ilk.
But, much against my better judgement, I confess I prefer to see you
make a complete fool of yourself with your "cyclic partitiontables" that
are made of "Organically grown Green Bytes" that are recycled into
/dev/compost after every boot, so they can be used again to write
messages on usenet.

>DOS/Windows has no problems with primary FAT partitions that are not
>in the beginning of the disk. At least not with a single primary FAT
>partition at cylinder 126 to 255.

well, what are you complaining about then? After all, 126 cylinders is a
small price to be paid for a bootable harddisk when you've finally got it
working. :)


-- 
Greetz,
Joop
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Subject: Re: converting Eudora mailboxes
From: vanepelw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:24:53 -0700

thanks for the help, but it ended up being that i had to change
my user permissions from read to read and write.



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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake ate my HD :(
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:28:11 -0500

On Mon, 07 Aug 2000, Tim wrote:
>I'm used to Windows eating my Linux stuff, but this is new.
>
>Here's the story:
>
>Had a 4G HD with Win98, and a 1G HD with an old Red Hat.  Bought
>a new 40G drive, so I move the Win stuff to it, and wanted to put
>a newer Linux on the 4G, and throw the 1G on a shelf.  
>
>Anyway, I got the 40G set up ok, and went to install Mandrake 
>7.1 onto the 4G.  Everything went ok, until I tried to boot to
>Windows, and it just kept cycling LILO.
>
>Did a little research.  Turns out my 40G was too new for my
>BIOS, and needed a program called EZDrive on my boot record
>to use the drive properly.  Apparenly LILO lives in the same
>place, on overwrote it.
>
>Fine, so I put EZDrive back.  No dice, still can't boot.  Did
>a sys c: next, and now the drive boots, but appears empty.  
>Unformat chokes, and unerase finds <1% of my files.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>-T

Boot a bootable DOS diskette containing FDISK.  When you get the A" prompt type
FDISK C: /MBR
Make a Linux boot floppy and boot from Linux from it.

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From: shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Linux on AMD
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:29:59 GMT

I am thinking of setting up Linux on an AMD machine.  Did you have any 
problem with the install or after the install?

Shook



Saty Desai wrote:
> 
> Hi :
> 
> I'm beta testing Linux on an AMD Athlon box with an Adaptec 131x/141x
> SCSI adapter..
> 
> I'd like to hear from others who have setup and loaded Linux (and the
> version and vendor) on AMD boxes or any other hardware containing
> Adaptec 131x/141x internal SCSI hard drive adapters ...
> 
> I would really appreciate your help and thanks for your help in advance
> 
> 
> Saty
> 
> 
> --
> Saty Desai
> 
> 


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From: "Miguel Martínez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: windows and LINUX
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:35:51 GMT


tell_me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I installed Linux on my Win98 machine to make it a dual boot. I am using
> LILO to boot my computer. Everything was working fine till I ran out of
> disk space on my win98 partition. I can't use Partition Magic or any other
> DOS utility to change partition size. The other option is I can reformat
> the hard drive and reinstall the OS's with the partion size I think shoul
> dbe okay.
> Does anybody know how I can solve this problem? Or how can
> reformat/repartiton my hard drive because fdisk is not working anymore,
> for me?
>

You can use GNU Parted (http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html). It
works great. But make sure you read carefully the instructions!



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martha H Adams)
Subject: Re: fwd: China's Red Flag Linux to fly IPO
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:40:58 GMT

Mainland China's Red Flag Linux is going to be really interesting when it
becomes available.  It will tell us a lot about the Mainland China 
government.  Nothing nice, I expect; but of great interest to people who
are thinking about doing social repression in a modern context.

Also, we can read between the lines better following our own news out of
Washington.

Cheers -- Martha Adams




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From: "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RTFM'ed to death..
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:53:34 -0500

Hello to all, I have been lurking for about a month. Got Mandrake 7.x up and
running on a 266mhrtz KD 6.. (Campaq Presario 4910) Got StarOffice5.1
running also.. Well, I just hate to ask questions because the answers are in
the manual and I am a believer in RTFM. Okay, my fingers are numb and my
eyeballs are falling out of my head. Here is the problem.
I yanked out the old ISA modem and hooked up my old US Robotics Ext. 33.6
Fax Modem
Model # 0413 .. FCC code CJEUSA-65828-FA-E.. (I include this for those that
know the significance of these ident. codes) I couldn't get the old compaq
modem to work and figured that it was a pci POS. Well, it wasn't PCI but it
was a POS. I went to the Linux HOWTO site and have studied it. I have gone
to the "big list" and this 33.6 is not listed.. but.. I have hope because
all of the other EXT USRobotics seem to work. I am about to try to get COM 1
(tty0) to respond to a new init string. But, as you my well be able to see,
I don't have a clue. Lost in the wilderness of Unix driven by a hate for
Billy boy's products. I sure would like to get this modem working but will
go out and get a ZyEXL if I have to so that I can say goodbye to Microsoft.
Any help with getting this modem working via COM 1.. well, words fail me..
TIA
Skip
OH! here is a parting thought..
Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the
same night--ever.





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: Re: howto see all cdrecord multi-sessions
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:55:05 GMT

On 8 Aug 2000 21:31:36 GMT, Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:53:01 GMT, Paul Lew wrote:
>>I just used the cdrecord 1.9 to copy 2 "images" to a cdr; the problem
>>is that only the 1st image is seen "normally" (with the cdrom mounted).
>>The 2nd image is seen only as a 2nd track using the cdrecord's -toc
>>option.  Both images were written with the -multi option onto a yamaha
>>4416s; the cdr is the "80 min/700 byte" type.
>>
>>The multi-session kinda works but if only the 1st session is available,
>>then the multi-session creation is useless; perhaps I missed something
>>in the man pages???  There were no errors reported in both copies....
>
>How was the second image generated?  Did you do something like:
>TRACK=`cdrecord -msinfo`
>mkisofs -r -J -C $TRACK -M /dev/scd0 -o image.iso /path/to/dir ?

The 1st time I just generated without the msinfo or -M; then I found
the readme.multi and tried that.  It looks like your method implies that
BOTH the "cd directory" and the data for 2nd session are created at the
same time which is a bit different than what the readme.multi said.

As I interpreted the README.multi, the 2nd session is created
normally then the directory of the 1st image on the cd is merged to
the 2nd session image. The example in the README.multi:

mkisofs -o isoimage_2.raw -R -C xx,yy -M /dev/"my cdwriter" first_dir.

The problem is the term "first_dir" and what it was or where...;
the explanations was not too clear at that point.

Can I assume that your "/path/to/dir" is the directory of the 2nd session?
Will try that and see (cdr is cheap nowadays).

Thank you...

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:07:31 +0100

In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>> 
>> blowfish writes:
>> > I did have many of my work copyrighted (not computer related, but in
>> > arts.)
>> 
>> No.  You have _all_ of your works copyrighted.  Copyright is automatic.
>> 
> No.  You have to file for copyrights on each piece of work, or as a
> batch. It's NOT automatic.

Yes it is!
You write something, it is YOURS until you pass those rights on to someone
else. If you can PROVE you wrote it, you can prove your copyrights to it!

You do NOT have to register it with anyone.

> I've been doing this for ages.

Fine, if you like that kind of thing. All that does is add to your portfolio
of "proof" of ownership. Any way of proof is fine, including putting a copy
of your work into the hands of someone trustworthy, like a bank in a sealed
and dated envelope.


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|            in            |  suck is probably the day they start making     |
|     Computer science     |  vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge            |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:16:55 +0100

In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The arguement of costs is not important at all. 

> At least for any real businesses.

> You see. Business software is part of the business expenses, so, they're
> tax deductable.

> The money has got to go, either to the software companies, or to the tax
> collectors.

Or to other parts of the business that may need
financing/upgrading/expanding... There's no law saying a business must spend
X percent on software a year to claim tax benefits, is there?

Money saved on software can be better spent elsewhere.
Or didn't you think of that?

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|            in            | "THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!! |
|     Computer Science     | - Father Jack in "Father Ted"                   |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:52:45 +0100

In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>> 
>> blowfish wrote:
>> > Didn't you said that you made $25k from Debian...
>> 
>> No.  I said I made $25k as a _result_ of having contributed to Debian.
>> 
> Okay. It's indirect in a way. But you wouldn't have made that $25k if
> you did not contribute to Debian.  So, Debian is acting as the
> middleman.

You certainly have problems with reading comprehension...
The way I see it (might be wrong) is that he contributed software to debian,
and as a result got a job elsewhere by someone who saw his software in
debian and was impressed by it... Getting software accepted into the
opensource community is an excellent thing to put on your CV.

Nothing wrong with that, and certainly nothing at all to do with debian.
It might just as well have been put up on  freshmeat and been accepted into
any or all the distros that way.

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|     Computer Science     |     Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf              |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:17:02 +0100

In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>

> That's also about to sum up his aposals and groupies. :-0 :-|

> - blowfish.

D-. Must try harder.
You really need to learn how to post a decent troll... 

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|Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)|                                                 |
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|     Computer Science     |  the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..."  |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:19:16 +0100

In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> He mentioned communism, not Marxism (I favor neither, but communism at
>> least makes sense).

> If communism make sense. Then, why China - the last BIG communism
> country in the world is opening up to capitalism!?

Because they lost their communist ethos, the same way russia lost it, and
all the others lost it? The moment people gained power, communism fell apart
as they got greedy and strived for more power and luxury.

There hasn't been a genuine communist government anywhere on this planet
yet!

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From: "K. M. Lau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to set up default file and directory right for all user access ?
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:12:48 +0800

Dear All :

I want to set up a directory call ¡§public ¡§ for all staff use to exchange
their files.

The public directory should allow all users to access all files in the
directory with out restriction. I have set the directory and files right to
RWX-RWX-RWX by chmod.

However , I found that when the user save the file . The file permission
will be changed to that user ¡V RWX- . Therefore other user could not use
and modify the file unless I change the file right to RWX-RWX-RWX one by
one. This is not what I want. I want the files can be access by all users

i.e. all files being put into that directory should be changed
to ¡VRWX-RWX-RWX automatically.

Any suggestion on this ?

Best regards,
K. M. Lau




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From: Patton Echols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:18:55 -0700



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> You, as author, automatically have rights to copy the material as you
> >> please.
> >>
> > Yes. But still you have to file for copyrights before you can be legally
> > protected under the law.
> 
> Rubbish.
> If things work like that where you live, you live in a REALLY screwed up
> place.
> 

You are both correct. Copyright is automatic.  -AND- you get additional
and valuable rights under federal copyright law if you register.  This
is also true of teh Hague convention on copyright.

Cheers, Patton

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Copyright Complexities
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 02:33:59 GMT

Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when [EMAIL PROTECTED] would say:
>In comp.os.linux.misc blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> John Hasler wrote:
>>> 
>>> blowfish writes:
>>> > I did have many of my work copyrighted (not computer related, but in
>>> > arts.)
>>> 
>>> No.  You have _all_ of your works copyrighted.  Copyright is automatic.
>>> 
>> No.  You have to file for copyrights on each piece of work, or as a
>> batch. It's NOT automatic.
>
>Yes it is!
>You write something, it is YOURS until you pass those rights on to someone
>else. If you can PROVE you wrote it, you can prove your copyrights to it!
>
>You do NOT have to register it with anyone.

That (automatic copyright) has been true, in the US, since 1978.

Before that, filing was needed in order to put copyright into effect.

>> I've been doing this for ages.
>
>Fine, if you like that kind of thing. All that does is add to your portfolio
>of "proof" of ownership. Any way of proof is fine, including putting a copy
>of your work into the hands of someone trustworthy, like a bank in a sealed
>and dated envelope.

In the US, you _do_ have to file copyright with the US Copyright Office
before you go to court to pursue a case of copyright infringement.

And there are some statutory penalties for copyright infringement that
only apply if you filed with the Office fairly soon after producing
the work.  (That means you might get _extra money_ out of infringers.)

So if you expect copyright on your works to be infringed, it would be
a very _good_ idea to file early and file often.

But if you don't expect infringement, then it may be reasonable to wait
to do the filing until there _is_ an infringement.  At that point, your
lawyer will likely tell you that you MUST file right away.
-- 
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All ITS machines now have hardware for a new machine instruction --
STMLMD  Skip To My Lou, My Darlin'.
Please update your programs.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: AVI/Mov Players for Linux
Date: 9 Aug 2000 01:49:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:56:04 +0200 Florian E.J. Fruth <fejf@gmx*/dev/null*.de> wrote:

>i think there's no mov player (or let's say i don't know one ;)- 
>for avis try xmps:

Try xanim, <http://xanim.va.pubnix.com/>.  On most Linux systems it's
probably on your CD-ROM or whatever.  It does Quicktime ("mov") files
as well as AVI and other formats.
-- 
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I-Con's Science and Technology Programming
<http://www.iconsf.org/>

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From: So_Funky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Newbie need help with memory leaks
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:30:07 +0800

Appreciate if anyone know how to reclaim memory leaks. I'm using Gentus
Linux 3.0. I've got 256M Ram and just running in command line with
httpd, inet and stuff in the background only takes about 40M Ram
initially but after running X windows and some memory intensive stuff, i
notice i was still using swap even after i log out of Xwindows and exit
all major applications. My 256M Ram was totally used up and refused to
drop back to 40M as before!?

Is there a way to reclaim the memory leaks? It's strange my harddisk
just keep spinning furiously when i'm not doing anything......   :-(

Regards
Damon




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From: Valentin Guillen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: loadlin problem
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:39:06 -0600

lu tong wrote:
> 
> I use loadlin to load linux at the desktop of win98.
> 
> When I load in linux and then reboot, the linux can't reboot while it
> can shut down.
> But use LiLo or boot disk can reboot.
> 
> What's the probelm?
> thank you!

This issue has to do something with which command interpreter is used to
start linux and how it's invoked.  

Ordinarily, here's how Win9x boots up.  POST, bootstrap, config.sys,
autoexec.bat, and then usually windows.  Now, since win95, windows
usually does not read the autoexec.bat file, because it invokes realmode
drivers, which it doesn't like.  If you're in win9x and decide you want
a dedicated DOS session, windows closes down, invokes this file: 
c:\windows\dosstart.bat   This batch file usually loads into the system
the realmode drivers which autoexec.bat WOULD HAVE if it had run.  This
is where you usually find the DOS sound card invocation, mouse
invocation, mscdex.exe invocation, etc.  

So, when using loadlin, you can do it several ways.  You could create
your icon on win9x desktop, and just click it to launch.  This might not
give you a dedicated DOS session, but rather  a DOS shell.  When you go
into linux from there, when you 
EXIT linux, you revert back to the DOS shell you started from.  

When in win9x, right click the linux icon and go to properties. You can
tell windows to use a dedicated DOS session here.  This will cause
windows to shut down before launching you into linux.   Another thing to
try is:

When booting into win9x, use the F8 option at boot time, a select to go
to command prompt only.   Then run the loadlin invocation which you
use.  Then try the linux reboot command.  This will allow a linux
reboot.  

Now it also appears that the condition which windows is using the mouse
in windows is affecting Andrews subsequent using of the mouse in Linux. 
Well, Andrew, try booting into linux either using the altered linux icon
in windoz, and then another time using the F8 - Command prompt - 
loadlin way to see how that affects your mouse in linux.  Once again,
remember that when in DOS, you would have installed the mouse with a
realmode mouse driver.  This mouse driver invocation would happen on a
Win9x machine from the   c:\windows\dosstart.bat   file.

Remember also that you can take a DOS boot diskette, copy the
loadlin.exe and the image file onto it, and in it's autoexec.bat file,
the last  command can be the loadlin invocation.  This is one way to
assure a TRUE dos boot to use loadlin with.  

Hope this stuff helps,
vg

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From: Yonatan Mittlefehldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux won't boot
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:40:47 -0400


hi!  i have recently put together a new system, and am trying to get
RedHat Linux 6.2 to work.  i've tried installing it several times, but
every time i boot it up, i get the following message (the last two lines):

Kernel panic: Attempted to kill the idle task!
In swapper task - not syncing

if you need more lines, then let me know.  here is my system setup:

FIC AZ-11 mobo
AMD Thunderbird 800MHz
SDRAM PC133 256Mb
Voodoo3 3500 TV
SB Live! Value
Linksys 10/100 ethernet card LNE100TX
Toshiba 12x DVD
Mitsumi 8x4x32x CDRW

please email me with any help!  thanks!

                                        yono





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