Linux-Misc Digest #555, Volume #25 Fri, 25 Aug 00 08:13:02 EDT
Contents:
hard disk problems? (Ben Ritchie)
Re: Why do FTP downloads stall under RH6.2 linux ("Rooie")
Reading multisession CDs (Joseph Gebis)
Re: BIOS? ("The BIG -M-")
Re: Where to install apps on Linux system? (Richard Steiner)
giving a process more ressources (Josef Zellner)
grphix and soundcard on one board? (Ray Fencey)
Re: Distro change: To debian or SuSE ?? (Kyle Parfrey)
Ich brauche eure Partitionierunsvorschläge ("Oliver Sebold")
Re: giving a process more ressources ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: mirroring an hd (The Contact)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows ("Joseph T. Adams")
USB? (Ryuji Yokoyama)
Mister Linux (fritz)
linux (fritz)
Re: ??:How To Read Multiple Data Tracks From A CD?? (Douglas E. Mitton)
Re: Netscape 4.72 (128-bit) and 4.73 keeps crashing!!?? ("Douglas J. Hunley")
where is gnuchess installed? (Jinsong Liang)
Re: lynx question ("Rinaldi J. Montessi")
Re: If XWin hang, how to kill it (Jean-David Beyer-valinux)
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From: Ben Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: hard disk problems?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:12:56 +0100
Hi all
First off, sorry for cross-posting - I was hoping for views from both
linux and windows camps. Now, the story....
At home, I run both windows and linux on removable hard disks, so
switching between them is just a case of swapping out one disk and
plugging in the other. In addition, they share a 14 Gig IBM drive
(non-removable), partitioned with 7 Gb for each OS (FAT32 and EXT2
formatted respectively). Now, the other day Windows suddenly stopped
being able to access about half the directories on its partition -
coming up with a Sector not accessible message. Linux seemed happy
enough to read it, although /var/log/messages was filled with a number
of FAT warning messages, so I copied all the data on to the Linux
partition before rebooting into Windows and first formatting the Windows
partition and then running scandisk. Scandisk managed the first 120000
or so blocks OK, before choking on every following one. I re-ran it with
'automatically fix errors' overnight, and after ~14 hours it had reached
~135000 blocks (out of 1.5 million). I hit cancel.
Next, I tried reformatting the partition as a Linux EXT2 disk, before
running e2fsck -c /dev/hdc1 and then badblocks -w /dev/hdc1 (For the
windows people - that just does bad block checking, firstly read only
and then read-write). No problems came up. As far as Linux is concerned
the drive is fine, as far as windows is concerned a significant chunk of
it is dead.
Which do I believe? Can anyone recommend a way to find out? Ideally I'd
like to have my 7 Gb windows partition back....
Many thanks,
Ben.
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From: "Rooie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why do FTP downloads stall under RH6.2 linux
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:01:19 +0200
I really havent read all of this post becuase im to lazy, but if your
problem is ftp timeout's on a machine thats 'behind' linux (getting the
internet packets from the linux box) Then your problem is a MASQUARADE
problem. Change your MASQ timeout settings to avoid this. check the man
pages from IPCHAINS.
( ipchains -S seconds seconds seconds )
Good luck
"Jason A Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ngtqg$7t8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I do not have a solution here but I do have the same problem and I have
> noticed some peculiarities:
>
> 1) This only occurs with ftp exchanges, (at least through my experience)
> and typically on larger file gets.
> 2) it happens with masqueraded transfers or on transfers originating from
> the server itself.
> 3) /sbin/ifup ppp0 has been putting a lock on the wrong serial port
> 4) The behavior changes when I use setserial to reassign the uart type:
> 8250: Every transfer work perfectly, as you would expect for
> this uart. it is slow, but reliable. Very slow, but
> all transfers work.
> 16550a: should work, my modem is new and not a winmodem. In fact
> it does work on everything but some ftp transfers. not
> all, but some. speed is good, except the little problem
> most other uarts function like the 16550a as far as I can tell.
> 5) Obviously is not a modem issue because windows 9x and NT 5 have no
> issues with it.
> 6) /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS2 share irqs, but I think this is standard.
> 7) I believe that this problem may have originated when I installed the
> 2.2.16 kernel, though I have not yet tested this hypothesis.
> 8) the client software is not the issue either, as ftp, ncftp, and
> netscape (linux) and opera/explorer/ftp (win/masqueraded machine)
> all give the same trouble.
>
> I hope that these leads can give someone some insigt into a
> solution. My system is offline at the moment and unfortunately no
solutions
> can be tested. as a temp solution for these downloads I have been
> switching the uart to 8250 (requires restarting of ppp0) and this is a
> pain. not to mention the 20 meg downloads at 2k/s take quite a while.
> If I can't get it fixed then my hope is taht the 2.4.x kernels do
> not cause the same problem. I am curious if anyone has this problem who
> is NOT connecting over a modem. That is why I think the problem
> originates through the serial port. Good luck,
>
> Jason
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joseph Gebis)
Subject: Reading multisession CDs
Date: 25 Aug 00 09:25:46 GMT
I'm using linux 2.2.14 with an ATAPI CDRW drive (a cendyne 8/4/32 drive).
I'm using the ide-scsi module to access it.
Most things seem to be working fine with it: I can read disks, make CDs,
and so on. The problem comes in when I create a multisession CD and
try to read it.
I'm trying to create a CD-extra by first recording the audio tracks:
cdrdao write --multi --device 0,0,0 --driver generic-mmc toc
and then getting the multisession information:
cdrecord -msinfo dev=0,0,0
then making a filesystem:
mkisofs -a -r -J -o filesystem.iso -C (num) path
where (num) above is whatever value cdrecord reported.
Finally, I record the filesystem:
cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 -data filesystem.iso
All seems to go well. I can take the disk and play it on audio cd players
just fine. I cat boot up windows and read the data files just fine. But,
if I try to read the disk under linux, I get:
---
# mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom cdrom
mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only
sr0: CD-ROM error: [valid=0] Info fld=0x0, Current sr0b:00: sense key Illegal Request
Additional sense indicates Illegal mode for this track
command was: Request Sense 00 00 00 10 00
CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 64
isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=32
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom,
or too many mounted file systems
---
Mounting normal data cds that exact same way works just fine.
I'm using cdrecord 1.9 and cdrdao 1.1.3. Using -xa2 or -multi in the
cdrecord line instead of -data gives the same results.
Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? It's really bugging me
out that the same machine under windows can read this disk just fine but
linux is having trouble.
Thanks.
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From: "The BIG -M-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: BIOS?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:06:04 +0100
I too have SuSE Linux 6.4 and overcame this problem with a small adjustment
in the BIOS. I had the Operating System set to Windows98 in the BIOS and
found that when I changed it to "other" the autodetection and install worked
fine.
The BIG -M-
Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The Dell manual should have this info. in it. If you can't find the
> manual, or the info. can't be found, then you many want to consider
> calling Dell Tech. Support so they can direct you through the BIOS.
> Dell is installing Linux on sone systems, so they may be able to offer
> more help beyond just what menu to select.
>
>
> Dennis,
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm still struggling to get my Dell sound card (SB Live!) to work. I've
> > tried everything, and I'm now about to recompile the kernel (for the
> > first time in my life) Anyways, the sound card driver installation
> > instructions require, amoung other things, that
> > <quote>
> > "PnP-compatible OS installed" option in BIOS must be disabled.
> > </quote>
> >
> > What can I do to make sure this requirement is satisfied?
> >
> > Thanks a bunch!
> >
> > Wroot
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: Where to install apps on Linux system?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:05:58 -0500
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, "Luc Van Bogaert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>I'm a newbie Linux user and I'm having some difficulty getting used to
>the directory structure as it is being used by this os. More
>specifically, I'm wondering what the recommended place would be to
>install applications on my system.
I generally install things using RPM (and *.rpm packages), meaning I
don't have to worry about it -- the package creator does. :-)
When I install things from a tarball (a *.tar.gz or *.tgz file), I'll
either let it do its thing, or I'll install it myself to /usr/local/bin.
In general, /bin is critical system bootup stuff, /usr/bin is apps that
are installed during installation or by RPM (for distros that use RPM),
/usr/local/bin is for stuff you install manually yourself.
Also, /opt is sometimes used by commercial packages.
>If this is anything like OS/2, it actually doesn't make any difference
>where you install an application, but I know I would never install an
>app like StarOffice in one the OS/2 system directories.
Linux uses a variation on a UNIX directory structure.
Instead of the approach OS/2 programs generally take (where all parts
of an app are placed in a single subdirectory, on my system usually
something like D:\OS2STUFF\APPNAME), the various elements of the
program are split between /usr/bin (program executables), /usr/doc
(documentation), /usr/etc (config files), and so on.
>Now, here's the problem : I haven't got a clue about what those
>different Linux directories mean and how much they're related to the
>Linux system itself.
Try this page:
http://sunsite.auc.dk/linux-newbie/FAQ2.htm#dir_structure
You might find this whole site useful, actually:
http://sunsite.auc.dk/linux-newbie/index.htm
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OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
+ VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
A cat almost always blinks when hit in the head with a ball peen hammer.
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:33:19 +0200
From: Josef Zellner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: giving a process more ressources
Hi all!
Is it possible to give a certain process (and its child processes) a
special amount system ressources. eg.: giving a process 90% of the
system ressources, and the other processes have to share the remaining
10%.
Thx in advance
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From: Ray Fencey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: grphix and soundcard on one board?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:26:56 GMT
hi
i've recently got a graphics card which has a soundcard built onto it;
the chipset for the graphics is et6000 and the soundchip is sb compat.
is it possible for the soundcard to be initialised under linux 2.2; do
they share the same interupt since they're on the same physical board
and if so will that be a problem?
cheers
ray
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From: Kyle Parfrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Distro change: To debian or SuSE ??
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:06:00 GMT
Thanks for all the replies.
I guess I'm not afraid of command lines really, and I kind of believe in doing
something right.
As with asking about apt-get, I thought that was a good question! One of the reasons
I'm getting
out of caldera is that its incredibly annoying not being able to install anything,
from tarred
source or many rpms.
Kyle
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From: "Oliver Sebold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ich brauche eure Partitionierunsvorschläge
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:10:54 +0200
Reply-To: "Oliver Sebold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hallo Leute,
Ich besitze einen PII-PC (mit 18GB HD und 128MB RAM), für den ich Win98 und
Linux einrichten
möchte. Ich brauche den Computer vorallem für Entwicklung.
Ich habe mir einige Gedanken über das richtige Partitionieren meiner
Festplatte gemacht.
Mein Vorschlag sieht wie folgt aus:
1. Partition (7850MB): Win98
2. Partition (100MB) : Linux (/)
3. Partition (50MB) : Linux (/boot)
***********************************
*Hier beginnt der 1024. Zylinder (bei 8GB!)*
***********************************
4. Partition (200MB) : Linux (/root)
5. Partition (200MB) : Linux (/home)
6. Partition (200MB) : Linux (/var)
7. Partition (8900MB): Linux (/usr)
8. Partition (250MB) : Linux (Swap)
9. Partition (250MB) : Win98 (Swap)
Damit komme ich schlussendlich auf 18000MB!
Würdet ihr auch so partitionieren?
Ich erwarte sehr gerne eure Vorschläge.
Gruss
Oliver
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: giving a process more ressources
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:08:15 GMT
Josef Zellner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all!
> Is it possible to give a certain process (and its child processes) a
> special amount system ressources. eg.: giving a process 90% of the
> system ressources, and the other processes have to share the remaining
> 10%.
> Thx in advance
Have a look at the 'nice' command.
'man nice' is your friend.
--
We were always told that a million monkeys typing for a million years
would eventually produce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the
Internet, we know this is not true.
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From: The Contact <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: mirroring an hd
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:17:25 GMT
hac wrote:
> Boot from a rescue floppy/CD.
> Create partitions on the new disk with cfdisk.
> Mkfs those partitions.
> Mount the old and new partitions. All at once, or as pairs.
> "find /mnt/old1 | cpio -dmpv /mnt/new1"
> Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
> You can use the "a" flag if you want to preserve the access time field
> for the files; I haven't found a reason to care. The "d" flag creates
> directories as needed. The "m" flag preserves the modification time.
> The "p" flag is the key; the "pass-through" or "copy/pass" mode. The
> "v" (verbose) flag lets you see what's happening.
>
> The "--sparse" flag will preserve sparse files, which you might have
> if you run certain applications. If you don't know about sparse
> files, you probably don't need to.
>
> I sometimes pipe find through sort and then on to cpio, but I'm weird.
>
> I fail to see why another program is needed. Linux is not Windows; it
> doesn't break if files end up in different blocks. Image copies
> preserve fragmentation, and have problems with bad blocks. Why is
> this desirable? Copying filesystems as filesystems works much better,
> whether you use tar, cpio, or dump & restore. You can change
> partition sizes, and tune filesystem parameters like block size.
Aren't there problems concerning the System.map-file? If cpio just
copies everything to a non-identical-partitioned,
non-identically-geometried HD, then the kernel itself will complain,
doesn't it? And rerunning lilo wouldn't help, because you just can't get
to running lilo...
> There are broken tar, cpio, and dump programs out there. GNU tar and
> cpio have worked for me.
Thx, if cpio does the job, you'll've saved me a lot of think-time :·)
--
The Contact
"Knowledge should be free; appliance not."
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: 25 Aug 2000 11:19:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:8o4ina$daf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : This who XML hysteria worries me. We have people thinking that it is
:> : something other than a very inefficient text based file format. Example:
: As a a data storage format XML is no better than any other file format and
: it does not prevent creating none portable private data format.
: Remember this example:
: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
: <!DOCTYPE RESULTSET SYSTEM "http://fubar.com/fubar.dtd">
: <RESULTSET>
: <RESULT ID="0" >
: <MATCHES>0</MATCHES>
: <TIME>0.1605</TIME>
: <RATINGS>0</RATINGS>
: <MAXSCORE>2510</MAXSCORE>
: <SCORE>6947</SCORE>
: <SIZE>6536</SIZE>
: <LANGUAGE>_LANG1_</LANGUAGE>
: <DATE>957148708</DATE>
: <FORMAT>0</FORMAT>
: <MODDATE>0</MODDATE>
: </RESULT>
: </RESULTSET>
: How portable would this version of it be?
: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
: <!DOCTYPE RST "http://localhost/fubar.dtd>
: <RST>
: <R ID="0" >
: <F0>A</F0>
: <F1>q20e3</F1>
: <F2>e</F2>
: <F3>lsm2</F3>
: <F4>928l</F4>
: <F5>pqke</F5>
: <F6>2ksnfui</F6>
: <F7>mpqw395hg</F6>
: <F7>2</F7>
: <F8>5</F8>
: </R>
: </RST>
Equally, if it is valid (i.e., has a DTD, and conforms to it).
But it does tremendously violate the *spirit* of XML. XML is supposed
to be human-readable.
And you do get portability advantages even if you don't fully
understand the data. The structure and data are represented together.
If you can reverse-engineer (determine the meaning of) all the tags
except F2 and F6, then you can make confident use of these, even if in
the next version of the format, they add a couple more fields (element
types) and take away one or two of the ones you do understand.
In a binary format, you'd always be at risk of problems due to
variable field length. That can't happen with XML.
Joe
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From: Ryuji Yokoyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: USB?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:59:29 -0400
Hello All!
Does Linux support USB?
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From: fritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mister Linux
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:20:32 -0700
I`m happy to be part of this wonderful discussion but more
of I like weather topics
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From: fritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:20:00 -0700
I think Linux is one of the most powerful enterprises of
the last decade. It provides fantastic OS Power for low
cost ranges.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas E. Mitton)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: ??:How To Read Multiple Data Tracks From A CD??
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:38:58 GMT
Thanks for the reponse!
The problem is that the CD is damaged and all that mount sees (in
Linux and Windows) is the last session (about 1% of the total data
stored). The disk was written in 15 sessions and I can see all those
tracks.
I read about the mount session option BUT it is not available in my
Slackware 7 mount ... it must be very recent. This is not the best
solution however as for future reference I want to figure out how to
just read raw data tracks from the disk.
The skip option for dd is what I'm really looking for BUT trying
various combinations of parameters I could only read the first track,
I just couldn't determine the exact sequence of parameters.
To get the skip value, which utility would I use to determine the
offsets? Using cdrecord and -toc it provides sector numbers
(apparently). When I use dd to read the first track it responds with
the number of records ... doing the math this is the number of 512
blocks, not 2048. I guess dd is what I want to use BUT I'm just not
sure of the numbers to use and where to get them.
I'm at work right now so I'm not able to try the 2048 block size.
Any way thanks for the response and I appreciate the help.
On 25 Aug 2000 03:51:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:40:51 GMT, Douglas E. Mitton wrote:
>>I'm trying to find out how to read multiple data tracks from a CD! If
>>I use "dd" I only get the first track. Do I need a separate program
>>to do this or can I give specific parameters to "dd" to do it. I
>>haven't been able to figure it out from the man page.
>>In particular, I'm trying to read the individual tracks listed when
>>you do a "cdrecord -toc" on a multisession CD.
>>Just as a side note I can read audio tracks off with cdda2wav, then
>>write them back to create a new audio CD. How do I do it with data?
>
>Can you mount the CD and see all the files in their proper places? If
>so, why not just copy the files off using "cp" and mkisofs them up into
>one session? (This has the added benefit of saving a bit of space on
>the CD.) If the CD doesn't show you all the files when you mount
>it, then it might be a good idea to look at the man page for "mount" and
>pay attention to the "session=" option for ISO9660 filesystems. (This
>shouldn't happen with a properly made multi-session data CD.)
>
>Or try the skip= option to dd? If you know that the first data track
>covers 12345 2048-byte sectors, and the second one covers 4321 2048-byte
>sectors, you could try:
>dd if=/dev/cdrom of=outfile bs=2048 skip=12345
>
>HTH, good luck....
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From: "Douglas J. Hunley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.72 (128-bit) and 4.73 keeps crashing!!??
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:46:56 GMT
Dirk & Laurie Rankin wrote:
>
> Netscape has released Netscape 4.75 w/128-bit encryption -- and it is
> stable under Caldera 2.4....
another key to stability for netscape on caldera is to hack
/usr/bin/netscape. it is just a shell script that wraps netscape.
however, it doesn't set everything up for you. you can use the version
at http://hunley.homeip.net/linux.html or hack one of your own based on
it. seemed to improve stablity for several people on the caldera list...
--
Douglas J. Hunley (Linux User #174778)
http://hunley.homeip.net/
"Sometimes I wish I could put an expiration date on my quotes."
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Subject: where is gnuchess installed?
From: Jinsong Liang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:09:53 -0600
Hi,
I am using redhat 6.2 and just downloaded gnuchess-4.0.p180-3.i386.rpm.
After I double clicked it, it installed the gnuchess itself without
asking me where to install. I can run "gnuchess" in terminal . But I
can not find it with "find / *gnuchess*". Where is it?
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From: "Rinaldi J. Montessi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lynx question
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:03:16 -0400
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> In article <8o59qk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Cheung Chung Keung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Is it possible to get image or files using lynx ? Say, there is image in
> >http://www.abc.com/aaa.gif . then I type 'lynx http://www.abc.com/aaa.gif'
> >It shows error . Then how can I do ?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Eddy
> >
> >
>
> What error?
>
> To view images, try getting the 'xli' program. Add the following line
> to your Lynx configuration file:
>
> XLOADIMAGE_COMMAND:xli -quiet %s &
>
> Lynx should not give an error when you access a data file. It should
> ask you whether you want to save it to disk or not.
>
> /A
>
> --
> Andreas Kähäri, <URL:http://hello.to/andkaha/>.
> All junk e-mail will be reported to the appropriate authorities.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The important thing is not to stop questioning.
If you have an image viewer such as "ee" you can change the
references from xli to ee in the .cfg file.
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moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante
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From: Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: If XWin hang, how to kill it
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:03:29 -0400
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer-valinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : John Hasler wrote:
>
> :> Jean-David Beyer writes:
> :> > So I am still not sure if it does anything from GNOME/Enlightenment-X
> :> > Window System (where I usually run) or not.
> :>
> :> It never would have occurred to me to try to run it from X.
>
> : I thought the whole idea was to regain control of a non-crashed Linux
> : system when the X Window system was so crashed that you could not make
>
> Uh no. It (magic sysreq) is a last-ditch facility for saving a crashed
> linux system. Yes, occasionally you have to run it blind and listen for
> the disk spinning for confirmation.
>
> : C-A-Bs or C-A-F[1-6] work. If you can get down to a regular Unix/Linux
> : shell, then you can easily kill the X stuff and start over without
>
> He means "console", not shell, surely, if talking about magic sysreq.
>
> : So I must still resort to going to my other box and ssh-ing my way into
> : this one. Fine for me, but not fine for those with only one machine.
>
> ?? If you are talking about magic sysreq, you have to be at the console.
> Shhh .. don't tell everyone. Maybe you aren't talking about magic
> sysreq? What have I cut!
>
> Peter
Now I am confused (or you are, but I do not make that accusation).
Let us say my X crashes so bad that C-A-Bs and C-A-F[1-6] do not work. (This
has happened to me once in 2 years on my old machine that runs 24/7 and has
for over 2 years, and once on my new machine that runs 24/7 since early
February this year; i.e., it is a very rare problem.)
In the old days, I would press the panic button, endure fcheck trying to fix
the file system (that resents my hitting the panic butten, especially if I do
not do a sync and umount first), sometimes having to run it manually at run
level 1.
Now, with two machines networked together, I can get onto the other machine,
ssh into the one that hurts, and change run level to 3 and then back to 5 and
it should be working again. (I hope I never get to try this in an emergency
situation. I probably should try it sometime anyway to be sure it works, but
I cannot imagine it would not.)
When I heard about the "Magic SysRq" button, I thought whoever proposed it
said that this could be used for such crashed situations. If it is necessary
to already be in a "real" (as contrasted to xterm) shell, then it will do
nothing for me since I suppose I could just type sync and umount -a.
Actually, the xterm would do no good either as it would be dead, even if it
were visible on the screen.
Once in a while (not even as often as once a month), X, GNOME, or whatever
locks up. But C-A-Bs normally gets me out and all I need do is login again.
It seems to be true that I have never had X lock up except when running
Netscape. So there must be bugs in GNOME (no surprise) or X (I seem to be up
to XFree86-SVGA-3.3.5-1.6.0) (slight surprise) that Netscape (now 4.75)
exercise. Telling me that Netscape has bugs in it would be no surprise at
all, but just as an application should not compromise an OS kernel, so, I
insist, a client of X should not be able to compromise an X server. This is
just a religious idea of mine... .
--
Jean-David Beyer .~.
Shrewsbury, New Jersey /V\
Registered Linux User 85642. /( )\
Registered Machine 73926. ^^-^^
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