Linux-Misc Digest #440, Volume #27 Sun, 25 Mar 01 08:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: JAVA programming an System clock ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Best E-mail Client? (John Beardmore)
Re: Best E-mail Client? (John Beardmore)
Re: Newbie Question about GUI (Bart Friederichs)
Re: Gnome installation question... (Bart Friederichs)
ALSA Problems 2 (Grahame Kelly)
Re: Tandy Model 100 as linux terminal (Stefan Braun)
Re: I did 'dd if=/boot/mbr.b of=/dev/hda' :-((( (Pat Heuvel)
Re: Shutdown permissions (Yvan Loranger)
system-assigned groups ("Laurie")
Re: Partition Table (Yvan Loranger)
Question on FIPS ("Tim Thompson")
Re: Shutdown permissions ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Is there an "Annoyance eliminator"? (Andrew Purugganan)
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: JAVA programming an System clock
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:27:36 +0100
Thomas G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a way that if you are programming a java file or writing an html file in it,
> all the tags get a specific color. Also when you press ctrl-x ctrl-e, Emacs
> automatically starts to compile the program you wrote and shows the
> compiler-error messages in a second lower frame in emacs. I figured out they
> did this by using some scripts. No use asking them how to do it. They never
> have time to explain. Does anybody know how to do this?
emacs people will be able to tell you which magic to put in your
.emacsrc. But why bother? Just steal someone elses magic. Their
config file is not likely to be read protected!
> Second, I've updated the aaa_base from the SuSE 7.1 updates, but now my
> system clock gets set 3 1/2 hours off everytime I start Linux. Does anybody
> know how to fix this?
At startup add three and one half hours to the sysclock with date, then
save it to bios with hwclock -w --utc. And next time don't confuse your
machine. Make sure that whatever startup scripts you use know that the
bios keeps utc.
Alternatively, set your timezone correctly. Repeat that bit of your
system setup, or just change the link in the /var/lib/zoneinfo directory.
Peter
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From: John Beardmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Best E-mail Client?
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:29:37 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Grant Edwards
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Beardmore wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dowe Keller
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>>>On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:20:17 GMT, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>In a world with LaTeX, SGML and Texinfo, why do some people still
>>>insist on doing things the *HARD WAY*?
>>
>>The LaTeX world sounds like rather hard work compared to WISIWIG.
>
>I've written technical reports and academic papers in both Frame and LaTeX.
>LaTeX is far less work as far as I'm concerned. From what I've seen of
>MS-Word, it's a piece of shit toy next to Frame. At least Frame generates
>half-way decent output (not as good as LaTeX).
Yes. Please don't mistake me for a Word advocate.
I was thinking of ease of use compared to say Adobe InDesign, Pagemaker,
GoLive which I've done good things in despite some bugs, or Quark
Express which costs more.
>MS Word output looks awful: equations are painful to look at; no kerning; no
>ligatures; broken tables of contents; broken indexes; broken paragraph
>numbering and cross references. MS-Word is purely for amateurs who don't
>care if thier work looks like crap.
Yes, but it does get a little less buggy with every release !
>Equations in Frame are little better (but still not good enough that I'd
>want my name on the same page), and it gets most of the other stuff right.
>
>>Does SGML offer a tidy way to author for the web and paper from the same
>>'source code' ? If so, where do you start ?
>
>Yes. There are several packages that do that. DocBook is one.
Do they have a web site ?
Cheers, J/.
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John Beardmore
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From: John Beardmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Best E-mail Client?
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:37:14 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Johan Kullstam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>but things like ms-word are *not* WISIWIG. there is a lot of
>formatting which changes font, margins &c. all of this is invisible
>since you don't see it on the page. it's lots of fun working around
>these unseen land mines.
On most simple office applications most will find it wisiwig enough.
On the other hand, try changing print device with a big document, and
watch the entire thing get reformatted ! That sucks, amongst other
thing, and drove me to Adobe Pagemaker.
Adobe Pagemaker has the resource leak from hell, which Adobe don't seem
to want to fix - presumably with a view to making users switch to
InDesign.
InDesign 1.0 was shite so I went back to Pagemaker. InDesign 1.5 shows
promise, but the recent upgrade to 1.52 seems to have broken support for
duplex printing in a bid to 'improve support for non-postscript
printers' !
I'm feeling pretty pissed off with Adobe. I'd rather give them my money
than M$, but I'm seriously wondering if something TeX based, which
didn't seem ready for prime time under OS/2 five years ago might be
worth a look now.
Cheers, J/.
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John Beardmore
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From: Bart Friederichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question about GUI
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:23:16 GMT
The R wrote:
> How do I start the GUI ?
kdm, gdm or xdm start a GUI login screen. when you put this in your
rc.local startup script, it will load automagically.
Bart
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The internet is a too slow way of doing things you'd never do without
it.
Bart Friederichs, 1998
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From: Bart Friederichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnome installation question...
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:26:30 GMT
Elf Sternberg wrote:
>
> I've looked, and I'm tired of looking. Is there a way to just
> get a list of all of the components of gnome 1.2 or (preferably) gnome
> 1.4rc1, with their sizes and CRCs, *in the order necessary to make all
> of the dependencies succeed?*. Such a document would be invaluable to
> those of us trying to install it using source.
Try gnome.eazel.com/pub/betas/stable/sources (or somethihg, I don't know
the tree by heart) there are all the tarball needed. There is a gnome/
dir for gnome and a fifth-toe/ dir for all the nice apps.
You're right about the order, that's nowhere to be found, except from
the eazel homepage (I thought).
Note that I give this info without checking, but perhaps it can get you
started. I installed 1.4b2 from source and it worked.
Bart
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The internet is a too slow way of doing things you'd never do without
it.
Bart Friederichs, 1998
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grahame Kelly)
Subject: ALSA Problems 2
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:53:09 GMT
Hi All.
I using SuSE 7.1 with the 2.4 kernel.
My onboard soundcard is a ESS1869 and I have
the snd-card-es18xx driver selected.
lsmod show all the sound drivers are loaded
correctly, and I can get sound from my CD
running CDplayer under KDE.
However, "aplay -w ./train.wav"
doesn't work (strace shows
is hangs on) :
"Using soundcard ESS AudioDrive ES1869"
...
open("/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p", )_RDWR
Also I am unable to get KDE2 to get to
do sounds.
Neither does:
"cat ./train.wav >/dev/audio"
"cat ./train.wav >/dev/dsp"
"cat ./monkey.au >/dev/audio"
"cat ./monkey.au >/dev/dsp"
work. I have sox installed and
no error messages are shown in /var/log/messages.
Can anyone offer some assistance in getting
aplay & arecord working.
Thanks Grahame.
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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:13:58 +0200
From: Stefan Braun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.tandy,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Tandy Model 100 as linux terminal
Rick wrote:
>
> Is it possible to use a Tandy model 100 as a terminal on a Linux
> machine?
>
> If so, how might I do this? I want to be able to log into my desktop and
> kill X when netscape or something else locks up X.
You may use a virtual console for this purpose too.
> Any and all help appreciated.
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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:27:31 +1000
From: Pat Heuvel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I did 'dd if=/boot/mbr.b of=/dev/hda' :-(((
Otavio Exel wrote:
>
<...>
>
> really?? that's bad news because I've run lilo more than once and still
> can't boot from this HD (QUANTUM FIREBALLlct20 30, ATA DISK); sometimes
> the box just freezes after stating that if found a valid boot record in
> IDE-0 and sometimes I get the "LI" displayed :-(((
>
> what should I do?
> is there any further info I could provide?
>
as root, you need to get into fdisk and mark the new boot partition as
bootable (use the "a" command).
> thanks!
>
> --
> Otavio Exel /<\oo/>\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HTH
Pat Heuvel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
Subject: Re: Shutdown permissions
Date: 25 Mar 2001 12:00:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
Jean-David Beyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Arctic Storm wrote:
>>
>> This is slightly off the topic, but there's no need to shut down the
>> computer, especially when you run Linux. I used to turn off the computer
>> when ever I was done with it. Then I began shutting down only once a day,
>> just before I went to sleep; so I would turn on/off only once a day. Now,
>> I keep the computer running continuously day/night. The computers don't
>> wear out like cars. If the computer lasts you 5 years, then it was a good
>> investment. Most people find it "intuitive" that something not in
>> immediate use should be put away or turned off. That's true for most house
>> hold products; TV, radio, cars, hammers, etc. At first, it was hard for me
>> to keep the computer on continuously, but after a few days, you'll learn to
>> enjoy the benefits. I have triple boot with Win98SE, Win2K, & Linux. I
>> never touch the power button. The only time I touch the reset button is
>> when I have to reboot from a crashed Win98SE.
>> Try this; keep the computer running continuously for two weeks, and if you
>> still feel that it's an overkill, turn it off. You will be an informed
>> decision maker.
>
> Though I keep my machine on 24/7, there is an ecological argument that
> could be made against it. If you are not actually having the machine
> doing something, you are wasting electrical power.
There is an acoustical argument against leaving a computer on 24/7. I
sleep better at night when there is less noise - & I breathe better when
all the doors inside my apt. are open. But I like understressing the
mechanical components by leaving it on daytime.
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Merci.........................Yvan Pour le plein air: Club Vertige
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ncf.ca/vertige
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From: "Laurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: system-assigned groups
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:05:26 +1000
Hi folks
I am looking for a description of or explanation of the function/permissions
etc of the system-assigned groups withing Linux. When Linux is installed
there are several curious groups setup by default and I would appreciate
some help in finding information about them. I have searched through the
linuxdoc.org site to no avail and searched high and low elsewhere without
any joy. I know most of them are not to be inhabited by users but want to be
able to explain their purpose to students.
Any info or helpful URLs greatly appreciated
Thanks
Laurie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
Subject: Re: Partition Table
Date: 25 Mar 2001 12:10:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
"David Griffith" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Does anyone here know what has gone wrong with my system.
> I have 1 20GB hd (IDE) partitioned into many smaller parts. Because windows
> went on first, i have a primary DOS partition and a secondary dos partition.
> Linux used to go
What do you mean by a secondary partition?
> hda1 hda2 <hda5 ......... > etc
> but since a reboot it finds hda1 and 2, but the extended partion appears
> empty. The kernel then panics as the root should be hda7.
> What has happened?
> Can I fix it?
> fdisk reports an inconsistency in partion table 5, but i darent 'fix' it in
> case it deletes what may be otherwise recoverable.
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Merci.........................Yvan Pour le plein air: Club Vertige
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ncf.ca/vertige
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From: "Tim Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Question on FIPS
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:34:31 -0800
I tried to install Linux last year, and screwed up my hard disk so badly
that I gave up. I want to have another go but have the following question
re: FIPS,
If I split the partition into two partitions, one to run Windows 98, and the
other to run Red Hat Linux 6, will I be able to undo the Linux partition if
I want to go back to having the whole disk to run Windows, and do I do this
using FIPS.
Last time I tried this I lost Windows and 1 Gb from the hard disk. I tried
lots of things, but Windows refused to see the Linux partition. I even tried
to reformat the hard disk: even this did not work.
Thanks
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Shutdown permissions
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:27:21 +0200
Yvan Loranger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
>> Arctic Storm wrote:
> There is an acoustical argument against leaving a computer on 24/7. I
> sleep better at night when there is less noise - & I breathe better when
Well, my computer makes no noise, and in any case I sleep better with
noice. But the human mind cancels out all repeated noise: you should
not be able to hear it after a short while. And in any case it is the
fan that makes what noise tehre is! Buy a P100 and you will be amazed
:-) They don't need fans. Or heat sinks, come to that! A pair of P100s
in a beowolf cluster, perhaps?
That said, I have a friend who is likewise sensitive. Me, it affects
not at all. Just the opposite, I like light, noise, commotion, etc.
> all the doors inside my apt. are open. But I like understressing the
> mechanical components by leaving it on daytime.
I also leave all computers on all the time. It's the monitors that
consume the power, and those I switch off. But my ceiling fan runs
more power than my quiescent machine, as far as I can estimate.
Its FS is mounted with noatime and the system disk is ro and
spins down. It should be running entirely to memory except when
update does a bdflush of /var to disk, every 30 mins.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Is there an "Annoyance eliminator"?
Date: 25 Mar 2001 12:54:13 GMT
simes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[ japhilp wrote:
[ > Really, this is getting rediculous.Statements like "every click you make on
[ > Windows 98 Start Menu is logged and stored for ever on a hidden encrypted
[ > database within your own computer" are not exactly a "Public service
[ > announcement". More like scare mongering tactics.
[ go and preach crazy somewhere else, we are all stocked up here !!!!!!!
LOL! Imagine, all these people using FREE SOFTWARE!!! :-D On their
COMPUTERS!!
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jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
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