Linux-Misc Digest #655, Volume #27 Fri, 20 Apr 01 00:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Netscape 4.77 *after* Netscape 6.01 ?! (Bob Hauck)
Re: cdrecord and LG CD-RW CED-8080B (=?EUC-KR?Q?=CA=D8=BE=D1=B5=C3=EC_Faarungsang?=)
Re: Sending voice to a modem (Static)
Re: Stupid login tricks (/etc/issue question) ("Jeffrey J. Bacon")
Re: Protecting symbolic links from deletion ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Life-expectancy of Linux vs BSD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
getty replacement? ("Jeffrey J. Bacon")
tty7,8,...? ("Jeffrey J. Bacon")
tomcat experience ("Jeffrey J. Bacon")
Re: getty replacement? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: tty7,8,...? (Hartmann Schaffer)
Argh, Linux 2.4.0 does not boot! (Igor4584)
Re: tomcat experience (Robert Lynch)
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.77 *after* Netscape 6.01 ?!
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 01:43:40 GMT
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:53:35 GMT, paranormalized
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:17:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) wrote:
> On really large .jpgs, if you scroll up and down sometimes it'll make
> the parts that you scrolled off-screen turn into this mess of black
> and white static.
I'll have to try that. Got an example URL? You might want to enter a
bug report in any case.
> Well, I was under the impression that the *expensive* Lucent PCI
> modems cost more was 'cause they did it right, and put the processing
> circuitry on the modem itself.
Some PCI modems are "real" modems, yes. That's what you want. If you
are into gaming, you want the modem to do the modem work, not your CPU.
> And that that was the reason it was among the first Linmodems...
Those modems have a DSP, but still use the host to do the compression
and other functions. They are better than some, performance is less
dependent on cpu load than with modems that make the host do all the
DSP functions, but they still have the driver issues with upgrades and
still take some CPU power.
> thus, the Lucent chipset has all the advantages of a PCI modem
> (theoretically better ping times on latency-dependent games possible)
> and none of the disadvantages...
PCI doesn't necessarily help ping times. The modem is so much slower
than the computer bus, even an IDE one, that making the bus faster does
not have a significant impact. Of course, lots of newer computers
don't have ISA slots any more.
What does make a difference is moving processing into the modem so that
the host can devote more time to processing IP packets and running your
game and less to modem housekeeping. Basically, a properly set up
external modem connected to a buffered serial port is going to give you
the best performance you can get. A real full-function internal modem
will be equivalent, of course.
In fact, the so-called "gaming modems" are often a real modem, just
like we had in the days before Winmodems. They'll generally work fine
under Linux without a special driver. Funny how what used to be
standard has become the special high-performance version.
There are also some things you can do to any modem to reduce latency at
the expense of throughput. For instance, you can turn off compression
and use a smaller block size for error correction.
> Well, if I'm really lucky I'll go Broadband in the next couple months,
> and skip the whole need for a modem of any kind...
That'd be cool. One of these days they might get to me...
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-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: =?EUC-KR?Q?=CA=D8=BE=D1=B5=C3=EC_Faarungsang?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cdrecord and LG CD-RW CED-8080B
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:49:54 +0700
I used exactly same LG CD-RW CED-8080B for 1 year long w/o problem.
I think your problem come from your blank CD quality because it can write
only at speed 4x while I can write at speed 8x w/o problem.
regards,
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:)
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Iiro Harjunkoski wrote:
> Hi!
>=20
> I also have lots of problems installing the Goldstar LG CD-RW CED-8080B
> drive on a DELL Optiplex GX110 running RH-6.2 with kernel 2.2.19. I have
> followed the CD-Writing HOWTO and installed the ide-scsi as a module.
> After 'modprobe ide-scsi' everything seems to be fine and 'cdrecord
> -scanbus' recognizes the drive as 0,1,0 (the CD-ROM is 0,0,0).
>=20
> I have tried to burn data-cd:s using xcdroast and cdrecord alone also by
> first preparing an image-file. Everything looks ok but the writing fails
> sometimes in the middle in that the FIFO goes to zero and an Input/output
> error occures. The kernel also reports lost interrupt. This is from
> /var/log/message at the time of the error.
>=20
> ************
> Apr 19 11:16:34 newton kernel: hda: lost interrupt=20
> Apr 19 11:16:34 newton kernel: hda: status error: status=3D0x58 { DriveRe=
ady
> SeekComplete DataRequest }=20
> Apr 19 11:16:34 newton kernel: hda: drive not ready for command=20
> Apr 19 11:16:34 newton kernel: hda: status timeout: status=3D0xd0 { Busy =
}=20
> Apr 19 11:16:34 newton kernel: hda: drive not ready for command=20
> Apr 19 11:16:34 newton kernel: ide0: unexpected interrupt, status=3D0x80,
> count=3D4
> Apr 19 11:16:35 newton kernel: ide0: reset: success=20
> ************
>=20
> I would be really happy if someone could help me with this... I have no
> clue why this happens since everything should be done correctly and it
> also looks as it would work until... I also tried the 'swapoff -a' option
> that was proposed on this list and unfortunately it did not help me. Coul=
d
> there be a problem with my hard-drive, IDE controller or some options in
> kernel that I need to change?
>=20
> Below almost the complete cdrecord log.
>=20
> Thank you,
>=20
> Iiro Harjunkoski
>=20
> ************
> # mkisofs -R -J /home/iiro/ | cdrecord -v fs=3D8m speed=3D4 dev=3D0,1,0 -
> Cdrecord 1.9 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J=F6rg Schilling
> TOC Type: 1 =3D CD-ROM
> scsidev: '0,1,0'
> scsibus: 0 target: 1 lun: 0
> Linux sg driver version: 2.1.39
> Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
> atapi: 1
> Device type : Removable CD-ROM
> Version : 0
> Response Format: 1
> Vendor_info : 'LG '
> Identifikation : 'CD-RW CED-8080B '
> Revision : '1.04'
> Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
> Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
> Driver flags : SWABAUDIO
> Drive buf size : 1024000 =3D 1000 KB
> FIFO size : 8388608 =3D 8192 KB
> Track 01: data unknown length
> Total size: 0 MB (00:00.00) =3D 0 sectors
> Lout start: 0 MB (00:02/00) =3D 0 sectors
>=20
> ...listing files...
>=20
> Current Secsize: 2048
> ATIP info from disk:
> Indicated writing power: 5
> Reference speed: 2
> Is not unrestricted
> Is erasable
> ATIP start of lead in: -11615 (97:27/10)
> ATIP start of lead out: 335925 (74:41/00)
> speed low: 0 speed high: 4
> power mult factor: 4 5
> recommended erase/write power: 3
> A2 values: 00 00 00
> Disk type: Phase change
> Manuf. index: 18
> Manufacturer: Plasmon Data systems Ltd.
> cdrecord: WARNING: Track size unknown. Data may not fit on disk.
> Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in write mode for single session.
> Last chance to quit, starting real write in 1 seconds.
> Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
> Performing OPC...
> Starting new track at sector: 0
> Track 01: 8 MB written (fifo 1%).cdrecord: Input/output
> error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error
> CDB: 2A 00 00 00 10 3A 00 00 1F 00
> status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
> Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 64 00 00 00
> Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
> Sense Code: 0x64 Qual 0x00 (illegal mode for this track) Fru 0x0
> Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)=20
>=20
> write track data: error after 8507392 bytes
> 2.98% done, estimate finish Thu Apr 19 11:42:24 2001
> Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> Writing time: 28.790s
> Fixating...
> ************
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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From: Static <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sending voice to a modem
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:22:48 GMT
JF Bertrand wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I need to write a program the will call a number and play a message.
>
> I need to find out how to connect to the modem, put the modem in voice
> mode, route the sound card to the modem and play the message. I will
> also need to modem to keep the line open for DTMF after the connection
> is made.
>
> Where can I start, is there a linux book on com programming? Or program
> that already does that. Can I make the initial connection using chat?
>
> Pleae help me
>
Sending the same message three times to two different groups in less than
11 minutes... why? - and you can't even correct the spelling mistakes.
1. The correct commands for putting the modem into voice mode should be
listed in your modem's manual somewhere, and you probably could use chat to
send it, or just redirect to your serial port.
2. As for the sending the audio data to/through the modem - you got me,
hopefully someone else can field that one.
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From: "Jeffrey J. Bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stupid login tricks (/etc/issue question)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:23:40 GMT
I see that /etc/inittab has /sbin/mingetty set to load in tty1-6, can I
replace mingetty with something else? maybe something that will show
the colours easier than figuring out vi =) ?
Dances With Crows wrote:
>
> On 19 Apr 2001 17:49:02 GMT, Proton2112 staggered into the Black Sun and said:
> >>> PS: is there a website with the color codes listed
> >
> >http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.1
> >
> >That page has color code info. I tried inserting some codes but I
> >think whatever program displays /etc/issue just doesn't interpret them
> >like 'echo' can. Anyone have any more insight about what displays
> >/etc/issue and if there's a way we can swap it out for echo?
>
> The program that displays /etc/issue is getty, agetty, or mingetty.
> Usually, it's mingetty on a virtual console. I don't know exactly what
> the posters in this thread are doing to insert the ESC into /etc/issue,
> but using the string "\\033" will *NOT* work. You have to put an actual
> ESC into /etc/issue, because mingetty's interpretation of escape codes
> is very minimalistic--see the man page for details--and mingetty
> basically just does a "cat /etc/issue > /dev/tty" when it starts up.
>
> The best way to do what you need to do is to edit /etc/issue with
> vim, maneuver the cursor to the point where you want a character code to
> start, make sure you're in insert mode, and type:
>
> CTRL-V ESC [ 1 ; 3 3
>
> ...the CTRL-V will insert the next character you type as a literal
> string, and vim will not intercept it. Since very few "normal users"
> need to stick ESCs in their documents, this is difficult to do in many
> applications, but vim/emacs rise to the challenge.
>
> Or use a hex editor.
>
> --
> Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
> Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
> http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
> -----------------------------/ I hit a seg fault....
--
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Jeffrey Bacon
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Administrator, Breakfast.ca
Student, Carleton U.
Java Programmer, Extrordinaire!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.breakfast.ca/~jjbacon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Protecting symbolic links from deletion
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:37:59 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Within a given user owned public_html folder, I provide a symbolic link
> >to the user's cgi-bin directory. From time to time, this link is
> >inadvertantly deleted by the user. This, in turn, results in a support
> >call to my desk to recreate the link.
> >
> >Is there a way to prevent symbolic links from being deleted by the
> >user. My research suggests that chmod affects only the target directory
> >of file of a link. This is logical. But how can one prevent deletion
> >of the sybolic link, itself?
> [-]
> Short reply -- you can't. You can change the ownership of a symbolic
> link on Linux though, not valid for all Unices, but as long as your
> users have write permissions to the directory the link resides in or
> the permissions are not 1777 for the directory they still can rm it.
> Still chown may be enough for rm is at least going to ask, rm -f
> aside, and this can be enough to make people think "oops".
A workable answer may be to set up a daemon that runs, periodically,
and checks permission/existance of the files that Must Be Configured
In Some Particular Way.
It might happen via a shell script; to do this more comprehensively,
the appropriate tool to use is probably cfengine.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@ntlug.org")
http://vip.hyperusa.com/~cbbrowne/resume.html
"Sponges grow in the ocean. I wonder how much deeper the ocean would
be if that didn't happen." -- Steven Wright
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Life-expectancy of Linux vs BSD
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:38:07 GMT
Arctic Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hypothetically, if Linus Torvalds died, became ill, incarcerated, or became
> unable to program, then would Linux die? What happends when Linus Torvalds
> gets too old to continue development?
> BSD is maintained by a panel of committers, and members may leave or stay,
> and if need be, new members can be added to the group. Life or death of
> BSD is not dependent on a single individual. So in theory, BSD development
> can continue indefinitely. Linux, on the other hand, has a "built-in
> expiration"; Linus Torvalds will not live forever.
This represents a situation that somewhat parallels that of monarchy
versus the republic. Both forms of governance have proved reasonably
resiliant over the centuries.
The British Empire never faded out of existance due to the death of a
monarch; if Linus Torvalds "fades out of the picture," this is _not_
likely to result in longstanding disaster.
--
(reverse (concatenate 'string "ac.notelrac.teneerf@" "454aa"))
http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/resume.html
"Intel: Putting the `backward' in `backward compatability'"
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From: "Jeffrey J. Bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: getty replacement?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:57:05 GMT
is there a replacement for getty/mingetty that will interpret ansi
colour escape sequences and display /etc/issue & /etc/motd with colours?
--
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Jeffrey Bacon
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Administrator, Breakfast.ca
Student, Carleton U.
Java Programmer, Extrordinaire!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.breakfast.ca/~jjbacon
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From: "Jeffrey J. Bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: tty7,8,...?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 02:58:17 GMT
right now only F1-F6 bring up new virtual consoles, can I get F7-F12 to
work?
--
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Jeffrey Bacon
================================
Administrator, Breakfast.ca
Student, Carleton U.
Java Programmer, Extrordinaire!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.breakfast.ca/~jjbacon
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From: "Jeffrey J. Bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: tomcat experience
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:01:16 GMT
anyone have any Tomcat 3.2.1 experience that I could draw on?
I need Tomcat to start on boot but it's not working with a
'TOMCAT_HOME/bin/tomcat.sh start' call in my rc.local -- it seems to
need a manual startup in a console so it can direct error messages to
that console on which it was started.
--
================================
Jeffrey Bacon
================================
Administrator, Breakfast.ca
Student, Carleton U.
Java Programmer, Extrordinaire!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.breakfast.ca/~jjbacon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: getty replacement?
Date: 19 Apr 2001 23:10:22 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeffrey J. Bacon wrote:
>is there a replacement for getty/mingetty that will interpret ansi
>colour escape sequences and display /etc/issue & /etc/motd with colours?
i think you are looking in the wrong place. check out the utilities for
keyboard and video handling. getty doesn't do any more than establish
a connection to the terminal and start up a user session
--
hs
================================================================
"The cheapest pride is national pride. I demonstrates the lack of
characteristics and achievements you can be proud of. The worst loser
can have national pride" - Schopenhauer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: tty7,8,...?
Date: 19 Apr 2001 23:13:43 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeffrey J. Bacon wrote:
>right now only F1-F6 bring up new virtual consoles, can I get F7-F12 to
>work?
do you have X installed? usually it grabs tty7 (actually, the first free
tty). tty1 - tty6 are grabbed to invocations of getty in /etc/inittab.
--
hs
================================================================
"The cheapest pride is national pride. I demonstrates the lack of
characteristics and achievements you can be proud of. The worst loser
can have national pride" - Schopenhauer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Igor4584)
Subject: Argh, Linux 2.4.0 does not boot!
Date: 20 Apr 2001 03:30:28 GMT
I have a linux system with a number of 2.2.* kernels. (in /boot)
they all work fine. I also added a newly compiled 2.4.0. kernel
in /vmlinuz.
When I try to boot it, lilo says "uncompressing kernel............"
and then it hangs.
Any help will be appreciated.
igor
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From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: tomcat experience
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:31:31 -0700
"Jeffrey J. Bacon" wrote:
>
> anyone have any Tomcat 3.2.1 experience that I could draw on?
>
> I need Tomcat to start on boot but it's not working with a
> 'TOMCAT_HOME/bin/tomcat.sh start' call in my rc.local -- it seems to
> need a manual startup in a console so it can direct error messages to
> that console on which it was started.
> --
> ================================
> Jeffrey Bacon
> ================================
> Administrator, Breakfast.ca
> Student, Carleton U.
> Java Programmer, Extrordinaire!
> --------------------------------
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.breakfast.ca/~jjbacon
I'm running Tomcat 4 now, but I used to run 3.2. I haven't run
it manually from a .sh script for a while, but I think when I
did, I ran something like startup.sh which then called tomcat.sh.
On RedHattish boxes, after an rpm install there is a script in
/etc/rc.d/init.d which does the trick. Has for me, anyhow, for
quite a while.
You just do, say, "chkconfig --level 2345 tomcat on", then
"/etc/rc.d/init.d/tomcat start". This starts it up one time in
the current run level; and on next boot it will automatically
start in levels 2,3,4,5.
I don't like to run Tomcat all the time, so I have a bunch of
aliases in .bashrc to start and stop it, and also to take me to
the servlet and jsp directories that I use (in ROOT):
# 10-31-00 Tomcat paths
alias tom='cd /var/tomcat4/webapps/ROOT'
alias tomcl='cd /var/tomcat4/webapps/ROOT/WEB-INF/classes'
alias tstart='/etc/rc.d/init.d/tomcat4 start'
alias tstop='/etc/rc.d/init.d/tomcat4 stop'
HTH. Bob L.
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Robert Lynch Berkeley CA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:35:39 -0400
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Charles Lyttle
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:33:15 GMT
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Greg Cox wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I thought that a few years ago, the U.S.Navy tried a computer
> >> > controlled battleship, and the computers ran Windows NT (probably 3.51
> >> > in those days), and it crashed so bad the ship had to be towed into
> >> > port. (I may not have the facts exactly correct, but it was pretty
> >> > much like this.) Maybe the computers were not exactly your
> >> > bargain-basement PCs, but the software must have been. If the U.S.Navy
> >> > is dumb enough to use Microsoftware in a battle-critical system, why
> >> > would not some private industry be just as dumb?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> The version of the story I heard was that the first ship of a new class
> >> of Navy ship was out testing a new ship's control system programmed
> >> using a custom database running on NT4 and the DB software crashed, not
> >> NT. I believe the story goes that the captain said in his report that
> >> the DB software crashed a couple of times and was successfully restarted
> >> but the ship was towed in on the third crash with the system left in its
> >> crashed state for later analysis by the developers...
> >>
> >> --
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Essentially the version that was posted here. The DB crash, iirc, was
> >due to the cook entering too many items in a dinner menu. This crashed
> >the DB, the DB took down NT. It got restarted without anyone knowing why
> >it crashed, the cook did it again. When it crashed, it took out
> >propulsion. On the third try, the Captain decided to call for a tow
> >until the problem could be solved.
> >
> >One joke was that it should be intuitive that entering 4 entrees in the
> >dinner menu will shutdown the ships propulsion. The Navy fixed the
> >problem by making a new regulation prohibiting more than 3 entrees at a
> >meal.
>
> Oh man...what a way to solve a problem!
>
> I hadn't been aware that it was the cook putting in too many entrees
> that was causing the database to crash. Reminds me of the old song
> (poem?) about the lack of a horse's shoenail causing loss of a battle...
>
> OTOH, a database crashes when it will -- one hopes very infrequently,
> but how does one specify that a DB will crash when, say, a scratch page
> fills up and gets flushed out to a disk that's already full?
> One also hopes that next time the Navy designs a slightly more robust
> system that won't go down every time the DB server decides to powder
> its nose.
>
> (One would also think that the propulsion DB system and the cook's
> DB system were on different systems. Like the cooks' DB system is
> ultra-critical to ship's operation -- he could write things down on
> index cards or paper notebooks if he had to. Note quite as convenient
> of course, but certainly not life-threatening.)
A lot of military cooks aren't the brightest individuals.
In the army, those who aren't smart enough to be riflemen are sent
away to be a cook.
Mind you there smart cooks in the army...but they have to put up with
a disproportionate number of idiots.
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 1d:23h:40m actually running Linux.
> The EAC doesn't exist, but they're still watching you.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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