On 18 Sep 2003 at 18:59, dep boldly uttered: > quoth Philip J. Koenig: > | On 18 Sep 2003 at 10:56, Collins Richey boldly uttered: > | > Homeland Security is scarcely the same as the Nazi SS. Where and > | > when, pray tell, have they descended upon any innocent group of > | > citizens, knocking heads and breaking up property? > | > | The US government has already been detaining people simply because > | they are of "middle eastern descent". There was quite an uproar in > | Southern California about this, and not by the people who are in > | danger (because they're afraid of the consequences) but from other > | citizens who are appalled by the police-state tactics. > | > | There have actually been a number of politicians who have suggested > | we need to re-institute internment camps, just like we had in WWII. > | > | According to most historians, that was a pretty dark day in the US's > | history, and here we have "community leaders" merrilly suggesting we > | do it again. > > seems as if your allegations above are a little shy of specifics. which > politicians have been suggesting the camps? where are the citations > thereof?
CITATION #1: > February 5, 2003 > N.C. Congressman OK With Internment Camps > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > > HIGH POINT, N.C. (AP) -- A congressman who heads a homeland security > subcommittee said on a radio call-in program that he agreed with > the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. > > A fellow congressman who was interned as a child criticized Coble for his > comment on Wednesday, as did advocacy groups. Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., > made the remark Tuesday on WKZL-FM when a caller suggested Arabs in the > United States should be confined. Coble, chairman of the Judiciary > Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security, said that he > didn't agree with the caller but did agree with President Franklin D. > Roosevelt, who established the internment camps. ``We were at war. They > (Japanese-Americans) were an endangered species,'' Coble said. ``For many > of these Japanese-Americans, it wasn't safe for them to be on the > street.'' > > Like most Arab-Americans today, Coble said, most > Japanese-Americans during World War II were not America's enemies. Still, > Coble said, Roosevelt had to consider the nation's security. ``Some > probably were intent on doing harm to us,'' he said, ``just as some of > these Arab-Americans are probably intent on doing harm to us.'' > > U.S. Rep. Mike Honda, D-Calif., a Japanese-American who spent his > early childhood with his family in an internment camp during World > War II, said he spoke with Coble on Wednesday to learn more about > his views. ``I'm disappointed that he really doesn't understand the > impact of what he said,'' Honda said. ``With his leadership > position in Congress, that kind of lack of understanding can lead > people down the wrong path.'' > > The Japanese American Citizens League called Coble on Wednesday and > asked him to issue an apology, while the American-Arab Anti- > Discrimination Committee demanded that Coble explain his remarks. > It is ``a sad day in our country's tradition when an elected > official ... openly agrees with an unconstitutional and racist > policy long believed to be one of the darkest moments of America's > history,'' the group said in a statement. > =============================== CITATION #2: >Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens >he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a >political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace. > >Ashcroft's plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow >him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily >strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by >declaring them enemy combatants... [more] http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1721.htm (Originally from LA Times) CITATION #3: > STEVE LOPEZ POINTS WEST > > No Straight Answer From the Feds on Armenian Furor > Steve Lopez > December 18 2002 > > Just when it looked like the federal government might have to put a > barbed wire fence around the city of Glendale for reasons of national > security, good news arrived Monday from the crime busters at the U.S. > Justice Department. > > Armenian nationals do not -- repeat, DO NOT -- have to report to the > Immigration and Naturalization Service for fingerprinting and > registration. It was all a mistake, and Armenians can now return to > their normal activities. > > Or maybe it wasn't a mistake. > > I can't tell, and the really frightening thing is that the Justice > Department can't seem to tell either. After rescinding the order > calling for Armenians to fall in line and be accounted for, a Justice > Department spokesman was asked by The Times about the goof, and here's > what we got out of him: "I can't say it was a mistake." > > Well then what was it? And if they couldn't get this right, and > couldn't at least come up with a credible lie, why should we assume the > feds are capable of getting anything else right when it comes to > homeland security? > > This all began late last week when Armenia, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan > were added to a list of 18 mostly Muslim nations whose nationals are > required to register if they're male, 16 or older, and here as students > or visitors. This requirement sent the nation's 1.5 million Armenian > Americans into a frenzy, and California, home to half of them, led the > outrage campaign. Californians sent more than half the 10,000 letters > of protests filed with the White House over the weekend. > > "Not only is Armenia a staunch supporter of the United States, but > Armenian people have had a long history of being integrated into the > fabric of this great nation," said Ardy Kassakhian of the Armenian > National Committee of America's Western regional office in Glendale, > which has roughly 70,000 Armenians. "Armenia is also a Christian nation > surrounded by Muslim neighbors, and hostile ones at that," he said. > "Does anyone even read history or the newspaper or anything?" > > That could be it. > > This might be a simple case of someone in the Bush administration > having flunked geography, and thinking Armenia was a suburb of Tehran. > If someone had made a movie called "My Big Fat Armenian Wedding," this > probably wouldn't have happened. Other possible explanations? This was > a wink and a nod to Turkey, a strategic ally that has a long history of > conflict with Armenia. Or some mid-level weasel decided it would look > bad to have only one other non-Muslim nation -- besides North Korea -- > on the list. > > "It's not geography or history or anything like that," insisted Harut > Sassounian, publisher of the California Courier, a weekly newspaper > based in Glendale and serving a national Armenian audience. "I happen > to know through sources in Washington that it was initiated by someone > in homeland security," said Sassounian, who insists there was an > overreaction to a report that Armenia's borders are not "watertight." > > Whose are? Adding Armenia to the list was all the more absurd, > Sassounian said, when you consider that some of its border countries > aren't on the list even though they've been suspected of having > terrorists in their midst. "The U.S. government has troops in Georgia > right now to hunt down Al Qaeda members, and Georgia is not on the > list," Sassounian said. "It's all games, politics and self-serving > positions." If it weren't, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan would have been > the first countries on the list, not the last. Saudi Arabia harbored or > produced many of the Sept. 11 terrorists, and Pakistan is home to > schools that are grooming the next generation of anti-American > terrorists. > > Look, we wouldn't even need the fingerprinting and registration if the > feds hadn't been asleep at the wheel for decades, and actually kept > track of foreigners who were here temporarily. Now the Bush > administration is playing catch-up, still rudderless, but trying to > look like it's doing something useful by rounding up anybody who > doesn't go to the same church as John Ashcroft or Tom Ridge. > > Does anybody think there's a terrorist dumb enough to go down to the > local INS office and introduce himself? In the new world, I don't know > too many people who would object to the government finally reforming > immigration controls. But is it too much to ask for some consistency > and logic, or for someone to articulate a coherent policy that doesn't > remind us of internment camps? Why not put Spain and Germany on the > list because of the Al Qaeda operatives in those countries? Why not all > of Indonesia, which has the world's largest population of Muslims? Is > it religion, geography or trade status that gets you on the list, or is > someone in the White House throwing darts at a map? And can we really > trust Canada? > > * Steve Lopez writes Sunday, Wednesday and Friday. Reach him at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez18dec18.story [END OF CITATIONS] > who are the most historians of whom you speak, and where do > historians register their view so that we can know that all historians > have been heard? I have little doubt it would make much impact on your avowed opinion, so I'm not going to waste my time doing your research for you. > i'm not at all certain that anything except the reputation of california > is cemented by repeating wild and generally erroneous doobietalk of the > sort you have proffered. Open mouth, insert foot. -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium _______________________________________________ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
