ok, I have bungled it bad, mailman that is:

./configure --prefix=/opt/mailman --with-mail-gid=daemon --with-cgi-gid=http 

Thats what I ran and then setup everything else right... test the 
mailman/listinf/test this is what I get:

Mailman CGI error!!! The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not 
match the gid as set by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed 
incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close 
attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being stored 
in your syslog: 
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 55, GOT gid 65534.  (Reconfigure to take 
65534?)

now > did a make distclean in the source folder and prepared to attempt this 
again with 1- and 2-:

1-  ./configure --prefix=/opt/mailman --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=http
2-  ./configure --prefix=/opt/mailman --with-mail-gid=12--with-cgi-gid=55

my error:

checking for mail wrapper GID...
configure: error:
***** No existing group found for the mail_wrapper program.
***** This is the group that your mail delivery agent runs under, and
***** uses to run filter programs.  You might want to specify an
***** existing group with the --with-mail-gid configure option.
***** Please see your mail agent's documentation, and the INSTALL file
***** for details

I know the mail wrapper is working cause sendmail is sending and recieving 
mail, aliasing it, all for local mail and for domain mail...

Ideas??

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