BTW, the login only fails for GUI, all other services, i.e. mail, smb, ftp etc work just fine.. Im almost sure it has to do with as lonnie suggested, kde2's kdm not having correct pam support.. yet no clue as to what direction im heading...  8^)
 
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Wunder
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: killed gui...

Just a thought...
Have you tried making /opt/kde a symlink to /opt/kde2?
Could be a hard-coded script somewhere mucking things up.
HTH,
Tim

Previously, BadMan chose to write:
> Tim,  I checked out the /opt/kde2/share/config but found no refrences to
> kde2 in the kdmrc file..  Im not real sure what I am looking for right now.
>
> I get the kde2 Login gui when from console as su I do telinit3, then
> telinit 5.  However any user that tries to login, root, bill, etc..(about
> 20) Login fails and I recieve the PAM messages, no others in any of my logs
> other than secure.. going to check around in what lonnie wrote...
>
>
>   Bill Day ( a.k.a. BadMan )  188133 http://counter.li.org
>   irc.openprojects.net   #linux-users ( Open 24/7 )
>   Our crystal tears now fall upon the ashes, but from the dust shall grow a
>   spirit, to be in compassion for those who are lost, and one in
> determination to break those who dare test our resolve to be free...
>
>                  http://www.daysdomain.com/tribute.html
>
>   7:30am  up 144 days, 22:01, 16 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Tim Wunder
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 7:07 PM
>   Subject: Re: killed gui...
>
>   Previously, BadMan chose to write:
>   > This is what I receive in tail -f /var/log/secure from the kde2 kdm:
>   > Dec 23 17:29:03 linuxbox PAM-warn[2726]: service: kde [on terminal: :0]
>   > Dec 23 17:29:03 linuxbox PAM-warn[2726]: user: (uid=0) -> bill [remote:
>   > ?nobody@?nowhere] Dec 23 17:30:05 linuxbox PAM-warn[2726]: service: kde
>   > [on terminal: :0] Dec 23 17:30:05 linuxbox PAM-warn[2726]: user:
>   > (uid=0) -> root [remote: ?nobody@?nowhere]
>   >
>   > I can find no other items with errors from attempted logins...  I have
>   > been doing all this without reboots(and hope to continue so)
>   >
>   > Any other Ideas where I should look for possible problems...?
>
>   Can you return things to the way they were and start over?
>
>   Can you log in as root and edit the login manager from within KDE? I
> can't remember if KDE 2.1.1 on eD2.4 let you configure that or not. If you
> can, remove all users then add them back again.
>
>   Of course, if you can't login using kdm, I guess that'll be tough. I
> never tried to remove KDE1 from eD2.4, so I can't offer too much help on
> this.  I assume you've read everything on the SxS site regarding the
> removal of KDE1.
>
>   Have you looked at your kdmrc file  in /opt/kde2/share/config/?
>
>   HTH,
>   Tim
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