I agree that distro does not alter the performance of a single app. However, a distro is a collection of single apps configured in a certain way (running on startup, runs in background, etc) that the makers of that distro feel would be most beneficial to the user. That, does alter performance. I think we can all agree that one main reason we love Linux is because we can go in and change those apps, and taylor the system to our needs.
Prior to my install of Arch with KDE4 on my desktop, I had Mandriva with KDE4. I can tell you I have about 1/3 less services running on my machine Arch than I did with Mandriva. It is noticeably faster, and boots just as fast as it did with Mandriva FastBoot. Granted I haven't run Arch all that long, but I've done hundreds of updates (I have SuperKaramba display how many packages are available for upgrade, so it's usually updated once a day). I have never had a botched system due to an upgrade. I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm sure it has, and might happen again. It happens in Windows. The whole reason I switched away from Mandriva was they did a series of upgrades that hosed my system, and I was getting tired of Mandriva bloatware when I attempted installing the latest from scratch. I disagree that Arch is for hobbyists, and I bet the majority on the Arch IRC channel and forums would too. That's like saying Ubuntu is for noobs, and Windows is for sheeple. It's subjective opinion. I am quite comfortable in Arch, and will probably stick with it for a good long while. Jeremiah E. Bess Network Ninja, Penguin Geek, Father of four.nine <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103182072532361592558> <https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahbess> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47451026> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 23:57, Matt <[email protected]> wrote: > Well I'm a debian snob here to fill up the bucket with cold water. > > Distro doesnt alter performance of common apps. > > I ran debian testing then stable for a while using good ol gnome 2. Then > I decided to "upgrade" my os to the current edition of linux mint. At > first I liked it but an update or two later it "fixed" a gnome 3 problem. > Slowed it down somethin awful. I went with xfce cut thunderbird and took > out a few other apps and it was snappy again. I have seen win2000 boot in > 25secs unmodified on a computer with mid range hardware back in '04. > > The point is not that the os is bad. It isnt the parts either. It is all > about your habits and preferences. I prefer an email client but it slows > my computer at boot. I have a habit of playing flash games but my phone > does that decently enough. Arch is fast because you changed your habits > not that the software was faster elsewhere. Sometimes a bug fix on one > platform will improve performance but the bottom line is what must you do. > Arch was hard for me to use in the long term because I would get it the > way I want only to have an update fudge a config file or symbolic link. > Mint and debin do enough for me and I feel free to enjoy content out there > rather than fixing the computer to pass time. Arch, slackware, linux from > scratch, and gentoo will teach you about linux and computers. But they are > for hobbyists really and will keep you a distro hopper for a long time. > This is because nothing can solve the problems that can only be solved > with tradeoffs. Fast and convenient food causes performance problems. So > at some point you need to just find your niche. > > Scott Vargovich <[email protected]> wrote: > > >@ Roy, > > > >Ubuntu installs with a lot of services turned on - and that slows things > >down - especially for those of us like me who have limited resources (P > 1.3 > >GHz with 768 MB RAM). I've never been ambitious enough to go through the > >init scripts and shut unnecessary services down, because I knew it would > be > >a PITA big job. Arch runs a lot faster out-of-the-box on my hardware > >because it doesn't have that thing I call bloat. I doubt my lappy will > >ever be able to run Gnome 3 or any environment more resource-hungry (like > >KDE) without making me want to drop-kick it through the goal-posts. > That's > >my story and I'm sticking to it. > > > >Scott > > > >On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> @Scott > >> > >> So the test data is meaningless? I would like to know what "bloat" > means. > >> It is a subjective word. I agree about the teaching bit and Arch is > great. > >> It just is not for everyone. Ubuntu aims to be and that is the > difference. > >> The test data shows that there is little difference. One would expect > >> bigger difference given the two distributions' roots and how they are > >> built. That appears not to be the case. > >> > >> My theory is that no matter what distro you use, bloat comes with habits > >> of the user. > >> > >> I use Kubuntu with KDE 4.8, BTW. With six desktops times half a dozen > >> activities with lots of things running and have no problem. I have used > >> Fedora, openSUSE, Mandriva, Mint and many others and it is the same. No > >> appreciable difference. I have used GNOME Shell on Fedora, KDE on > openSUSE, > >> Unity on Ubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 and Mint with MGSE. All work fine. I > just > >> installed Cinnamon and had two applications open and it froze. What > >> conclusion should I draw? > >> > >> It is hard to generalize, but I would not say that Arch is necessarily > >> faster (I have used it). I would also say that it is a pain to set up > and > >> configure. Is it worth it? That is opinion. Everyone has one and none is > >> right or wrong. :) > >> > >> Roy > >> > >> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit > >> Location: Canada > >> > >> > >> On 27 January 2012 17:34, Scott Vargovich <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> @ Roy - From all the headaches I've had with Ubuntu's bloat and hogging > >>> of resources, Arch is a breath of fresh air. To me it's every bit > worth > >>> the effort... and it's teaching me more about my laptop than I ever > knew > >>> before. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Funny. Phoronix tested Arch against Ubuntu and found little difference > >>>> in performance. That was when Maverick came out, but it makes you > wonder if > >>>> Arch is worth all of the fuss. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_arch_faster&num=1 > >>>> > >>>> Roy > >>>> > >>>> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit > >>>> Location: Canada > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 27 January 2012 15:15, Scott Vargovich <[email protected] > >wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Arch is growing on me in leaps and bounds. Ubuntu was way too > >>>>> bloated... but it was the only OS that would run on my lappy with no > >>>>> serious issues. I will post a fix on the wiki if I get an answer. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jeremiah Bess < > [email protected] > >>>>> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Arch is awesome. I have it on my desktop and laptop now. I am very > >>>>>> pleased with it. I can't help with the Opera problem though, I > don't use > >>>>>> it, just Chrome. If you do get a fix, might be a good idea to put > it on the > >>>>>> Arch wiki. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jeremiah E. Bess > >>>>>> Network Ninja, Penguin Geek, Father of four.nine > >>>>>> > >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103182072532361592558> < > https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahbess> > >>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47451026> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:15, Scott Vargovich < > [email protected] > >>>>>> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I finally conquered my laptop issues with Arch!!! Don't ask me > how I > >>>>>>> did it - all I can say is http://wiki.archlinux.org saved my bacon > >>>>>>> on more than a few occasions. I'm having an issue with flash only > on > >>>>>>> Opera, which is the browser I really want to use. Flash works > properly on > >>>>>>> Chromium. Here are the versions of flash and Opera I have > installed: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> extra/flashplugin 11.1.102.55-1 > >>>>>>> community/opera 11.60-1 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Any thoughts, ideas, questions, or comments??? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> <>< Scott Vargovich <>< > >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>> OpenPGP Key ID: F8F5DC7E > >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux > >>>>>>> Users Group. > >>>>>>> To post a message, send email to [email protected] > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email to > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> For more options, visit our group at > >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup > >>>>>>> References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri > >>>>>>> Please remember to abide by our list rules ( > >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/LUG-Rules or > http://cdn.fsdev.net/List-Rules.pdf) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > 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