I don't have the flash problem, Scott does. I was just checking my system against his.
Jeremiah E. Bess Network Ninja, Penguin Geek, Father of four.nine <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103182072532361592558> <https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahbess> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47451026> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 08:57, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: > I don' think anyone is bashing Arch. I think this started with bashing > other distros by calling them bloated and making blanket statements that > Arch is so much faster without any support. I think that people should be > free to counter such statements without calling it bashing. This > discussion would not have happened if Arch users had chosen their words > more thoughtfully. > > Arch is a great distro (repeated). It just is not for everybody > (repeated). I am glad it works for you and that you sorted out your flash > problem. > > Roy > > Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit > Location: Canada > > > On 29 January 2012 10:26, Jeremiah Bess <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So stepping away from the Arch bashing, I installed Opera on my Arch >> Desktop. Flash worked right out of the box. I have extra/flashplugin >> 11.1.102.55-1 installed, which is what was detected when I went to adobe's >> website to test it out. >> >> Jeremiah E. Bess >> Network Ninja, Penguin Geek, Father of four.nine >> >> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103182072532361592558> >> <https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahbess> >> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47451026> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 04:52, Jeremiah Bess <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I agree that distro does not alter the performance of a single app. >>> However, a distro is a collection of single apps configured in a certain >>> way (running on startup, runs in background, etc) that the makers of that >>> distro feel would be most beneficial to the user. That, does alter >>> performance. I think we can all agree that one main reason we love Linux is >>> because we can go in and change those apps, and taylor the system to our >>> needs. >>> >>> Prior to my install of Arch with KDE4 on my desktop, I had Mandriva with >>> KDE4. I can tell you I have about 1/3 less services running on my machine >>> Arch than I did with Mandriva. It is noticeably faster, and boots just as >>> fast as it did with Mandriva FastBoot. >>> >>> Granted I haven't run Arch all that long, but I've done hundreds of >>> updates (I have SuperKaramba display how many packages are available for >>> upgrade, so it's usually updated once a day). I have never had a botched >>> system due to an upgrade. I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm sure it has, >>> and might happen again. It happens in Windows. The whole reason I switched >>> away from Mandriva was they did a series of upgrades that hosed my system, >>> and I was getting tired of Mandriva bloatware when I attempted installing >>> the latest from scratch. >>> >>> I disagree that Arch is for hobbyists, and I bet the majority on the >>> Arch IRC channel and forums would too. That's like saying Ubuntu is for >>> noobs, and Windows is for sheeple. It's subjective opinion. I am quite >>> comfortable in Arch, and will probably stick with it for a good long while. >>> >>> >>> Jeremiah E. Bess >>> Network Ninja, Penguin Geek, Father of four.nine >>> >>> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103182072532361592558> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahbess> >>> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47451026> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 23:57, Matt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Well I'm a debian snob here to fill up the bucket with cold water. >>>> >>>> Distro doesnt alter performance of common apps. >>>> >>>> I ran debian testing then stable for a while using good ol gnome 2. >>>> Then I decided to "upgrade" my os to the current edition of linux mint. >>>> At first I liked it but an update or two later it "fixed" a gnome 3 >>>> problem. Slowed it down somethin awful. I went with xfce cut thunderbird >>>> and took out a few other apps and it was snappy again. I have seen win2000 >>>> boot in 25secs unmodified on a computer with mid range hardware back in >>>> '04. >>>> >>>> The point is not that the os is bad. It isnt the parts either. It is >>>> all about your habits and preferences. I prefer an email client but it >>>> slows my computer at boot. I have a habit of playing flash games but my >>>> phone does that decently enough. Arch is fast because you changed your >>>> habits not that the software was faster elsewhere. Sometimes a bug fix on >>>> one platform will improve performance but the bottom line is what must you >>>> do. Arch was hard for me to use in the long term because I would get it >>>> the way I want only to have an update fudge a config file or symbolic link. >>>> Mint and debin do enough for me and I feel free to enjoy content out there >>>> rather than fixing the computer to pass time. Arch, slackware, linux from >>>> scratch, and gentoo will teach you about linux and computers. But they are >>>> for hobbyists really and will keep you a distro hopper for a long time. >>>> This is because nothing can solve the problems that can only be solved >>>> with tradeoffs. Fast and convenient food causes performance problems. So >>>> at some point you need to just find your niche. >>>> >>>> Scott Vargovich <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >@ Roy, >>>> > >>>> >Ubuntu installs with a lot of services turned on - and that slows >>>> things >>>> >down - especially for those of us like me who have limited resources >>>> (P 1.3 >>>> >GHz with 768 MB RAM). I've never been ambitious enough to go through >>>> the >>>> >init scripts and shut unnecessary services down, because I knew it >>>> would be >>>> >a PITA big job. Arch runs a lot faster out-of-the-box on my hardware >>>> >because it doesn't have that thing I call bloat. I doubt my lappy will >>>> >ever be able to run Gnome 3 or any environment more resource-hungry >>>> (like >>>> >KDE) without making me want to drop-kick it through the goal-posts. >>>> That's >>>> >my story and I'm sticking to it. >>>> > >>>> >Scott >>>> > >>>> >On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> @Scott >>>> >> >>>> >> So the test data is meaningless? I would like to know what "bloat" >>>> means. >>>> >> It is a subjective word. I agree about the teaching bit and Arch is >>>> great. >>>> >> It just is not for everyone. Ubuntu aims to be and that is the >>>> difference. >>>> >> The test data shows that there is little difference. One would expect >>>> >> bigger difference given the two distributions' roots and how they are >>>> >> built. That appears not to be the case. >>>> >> >>>> >> My theory is that no matter what distro you use, bloat comes with >>>> habits >>>> >> of the user. >>>> >> >>>> >> I use Kubuntu with KDE 4.8, BTW. With six desktops times half a dozen >>>> >> activities with lots of things running and have no problem. I have >>>> used >>>> >> Fedora, openSUSE, Mandriva, Mint and many others and it is the same. >>>> No >>>> >> appreciable difference. I have used GNOME Shell on Fedora, KDE on >>>> openSUSE, >>>> >> Unity on Ubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 and Mint with MGSE. All work fine. I >>>> just >>>> >> installed Cinnamon and had two applications open and it froze. What >>>> >> conclusion should I draw? >>>> >> >>>> >> It is hard to generalize, but I would not say that Arch is >>>> necessarily >>>> >> faster (I have used it). I would also say that it is a pain to set >>>> up and >>>> >> configure. Is it worth it? That is opinion. Everyone has one and >>>> none is >>>> >> right or wrong. :) >>>> >> >>>> >> Roy >>>> >> >>>> >> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit >>>> >> Location: Canada >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 27 January 2012 17:34, Scott Vargovich <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> @ Roy - From all the headaches I've had with Ubuntu's bloat and >>>> hogging >>>> >>> of resources, Arch is a breath of fresh air. To me it's every bit >>>> worth >>>> >>> the effort... and it's teaching me more about my laptop than I ever >>>> knew >>>> >>> before. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Funny. Phoronix tested Arch against Ubuntu and found little >>>> difference >>>> >>>> in performance. That was when Maverick came out, but it makes you >>>> wonder if >>>> >>>> Arch is worth all of the fuss. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_arch_faster&num=1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Roy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit >>>> >>>> Location: Canada >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 27 January 2012 15:15, Scott Vargovich <[email protected] >>>> >wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Arch is growing on me in leaps and bounds. Ubuntu was way too >>>> >>>>> bloated... but it was the only OS that would run on my lappy with >>>> no >>>> >>>>> serious issues. I will post a fix on the wiki if I get an answer. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jeremiah Bess < >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Arch is awesome. I have it on my desktop and laptop now. I am >>>> very >>>> >>>>>> pleased with it. I can't help with the Opera problem though, I >>>> don't use >>>> >>>>>> it, just Chrome. If you do get a fix, might be a good idea to >>>> put it on the >>>> >>>>>> Arch wiki. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Jeremiah E. Bess >>>> >>>>>> Network Ninja, Penguin Geek, Father of four.nine >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103182072532361592558> < >>>> https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahbess> >>>> >>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47451026> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:15, Scott Vargovich < >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> I finally conquered my laptop issues with Arch!!! Don't ask me >>>> how I >>>> >>>>>>> did it - all I can say is http://wiki.archlinux.org saved my >>>> bacon >>>> >>>>>>> on more than a few occasions. I'm having an issue with flash >>>> only on >>>> >>>>>>> Opera, which is the browser I really want to use. Flash works >>>> properly on >>>> >>>>>>> Chromium. Here are the versions of flash and Opera I have >>>> installed: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> extra/flashplugin 11.1.102.55-1 >>>> >>>>>>> community/opera 11.60-1 >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Any thoughts, ideas, questions, or comments??? >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>>> <>< Scott Vargovich <>< >>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>>>> OpenPGP Key ID: F8F5DC7E >>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Linux >>>> >>>>>>> Users Group. >>>> >>>>>>> To post a message, send email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email to >>>> >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>>>>> For more options, visit our group at >>>> >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup >>>> >>>>>>> References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri >>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to abide by our list rules ( >>>> >>>>>>> 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