So stepping away from the Arch bashing, I installed Opera on my Arch Desktop. Flash worked right out of the box. I have extra/flashplugin 11.1.102.55-1 installed, which is what was detected when I went to adobe's website to test it out.
Jeremiah E. Bess Network Ninja, Penguin Geek, Father of four.nine <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103182072532361592558> <https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahbess> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47451026> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 04:52, Jeremiah Bess <[email protected]>wrote: > I agree that distro does not alter the performance of a single app. > However, a distro is a collection of single apps configured in a certain > way (running on startup, runs in background, etc) that the makers of that > distro feel would be most beneficial to the user. That, does alter > performance. I think we can all agree that one main reason we love Linux is > because we can go in and change those apps, and taylor the system to our > needs. > > Prior to my install of Arch with KDE4 on my desktop, I had Mandriva with > KDE4. I can tell you I have about 1/3 less services running on my machine > Arch than I did with Mandriva. It is noticeably faster, and boots just as > fast as it did with Mandriva FastBoot. > > Granted I haven't run Arch all that long, but I've done hundreds of > updates (I have SuperKaramba display how many packages are available for > upgrade, so it's usually updated once a day). I have never had a botched > system due to an upgrade. I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm sure it has, > and might happen again. It happens in Windows. The whole reason I switched > away from Mandriva was they did a series of upgrades that hosed my system, > and I was getting tired of Mandriva bloatware when I attempted installing > the latest from scratch. > > I disagree that Arch is for hobbyists, and I bet the majority on the Arch > IRC channel and forums would too. That's like saying Ubuntu is for noobs, > and Windows is for sheeple. It's subjective opinion. I am quite comfortable > in Arch, and will probably stick with it for a good long while. > > > Jeremiah E. Bess > Network Ninja, Penguin Geek, Father of four.nine > > <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103182072532361592558> > <https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahbess> > <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47451026> > > > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 23:57, Matt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well I'm a debian snob here to fill up the bucket with cold water. >> >> Distro doesnt alter performance of common apps. >> >> I ran debian testing then stable for a while using good ol gnome 2. Then >> I decided to "upgrade" my os to the current edition of linux mint. At >> first I liked it but an update or two later it "fixed" a gnome 3 problem. >> Slowed it down somethin awful. I went with xfce cut thunderbird and took >> out a few other apps and it was snappy again. I have seen win2000 boot in >> 25secs unmodified on a computer with mid range hardware back in '04. >> >> The point is not that the os is bad. It isnt the parts either. It is >> all about your habits and preferences. I prefer an email client but it >> slows my computer at boot. I have a habit of playing flash games but my >> phone does that decently enough. Arch is fast because you changed your >> habits not that the software was faster elsewhere. Sometimes a bug fix on >> one platform will improve performance but the bottom line is what must you >> do. Arch was hard for me to use in the long term because I would get it >> the way I want only to have an update fudge a config file or symbolic link. >> Mint and debin do enough for me and I feel free to enjoy content out there >> rather than fixing the computer to pass time. Arch, slackware, linux from >> scratch, and gentoo will teach you about linux and computers. But they are >> for hobbyists really and will keep you a distro hopper for a long time. >> This is because nothing can solve the problems that can only be solved >> with tradeoffs. Fast and convenient food causes performance problems. So >> at some point you need to just find your niche. >> >> Scott Vargovich <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >@ Roy, >> > >> >Ubuntu installs with a lot of services turned on - and that slows things >> >down - especially for those of us like me who have limited resources (P >> 1.3 >> >GHz with 768 MB RAM). I've never been ambitious enough to go through the >> >init scripts and shut unnecessary services down, because I knew it would >> be >> >a PITA big job. Arch runs a lot faster out-of-the-box on my hardware >> >because it doesn't have that thing I call bloat. I doubt my lappy will >> >ever be able to run Gnome 3 or any environment more resource-hungry (like >> >KDE) without making me want to drop-kick it through the goal-posts. >> That's >> >my story and I'm sticking to it. >> > >> >Scott >> > >> >On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> @Scott >> >> >> >> So the test data is meaningless? I would like to know what "bloat" >> means. >> >> It is a subjective word. I agree about the teaching bit and Arch is >> great. >> >> It just is not for everyone. Ubuntu aims to be and that is the >> difference. >> >> The test data shows that there is little difference. One would expect >> >> bigger difference given the two distributions' roots and how they are >> >> built. That appears not to be the case. >> >> >> >> My theory is that no matter what distro you use, bloat comes with >> habits >> >> of the user. >> >> >> >> I use Kubuntu with KDE 4.8, BTW. With six desktops times half a dozen >> >> activities with lots of things running and have no problem. I have used >> >> Fedora, openSUSE, Mandriva, Mint and many others and it is the same. No >> >> appreciable difference. I have used GNOME Shell on Fedora, KDE on >> openSUSE, >> >> Unity on Ubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 and Mint with MGSE. All work fine. I >> just >> >> installed Cinnamon and had two applications open and it froze. What >> >> conclusion should I draw? >> >> >> >> It is hard to generalize, but I would not say that Arch is necessarily >> >> faster (I have used it). I would also say that it is a pain to set up >> and >> >> configure. Is it worth it? That is opinion. Everyone has one and none >> is >> >> right or wrong. :) >> >> >> >> Roy >> >> >> >> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit >> >> Location: Canada >> >> >> >> >> >> On 27 January 2012 17:34, Scott Vargovich <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> @ Roy - From all the headaches I've had with Ubuntu's bloat and >> hogging >> >>> of resources, Arch is a breath of fresh air. To me it's every bit >> worth >> >>> the effort... and it's teaching me more about my laptop than I ever >> knew >> >>> before. >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Roy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Funny. Phoronix tested Arch against Ubuntu and found little >> difference >> >>>> in performance. That was when Maverick came out, but it makes you >> wonder if >> >>>> Arch is worth all of the fuss. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_arch_faster&num=1 >> >>>> >> >>>> Roy >> >>>> >> >>>> Using Kubuntu 11.10, 64-bit >> >>>> Location: Canada >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 27 January 2012 15:15, Scott Vargovich <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Arch is growing on me in leaps and bounds. Ubuntu was way too >> >>>>> bloated... but it was the only OS that would run on my lappy with no >> >>>>> serious issues. I will post a fix on the wiki if I get an answer. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Jeremiah Bess < >> [email protected] >> >>>>> > wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Arch is awesome. I have it on my desktop and laptop now. I am very >> >>>>>> pleased with it. I can't help with the Opera problem though, I >> don't use >> >>>>>> it, just Chrome. If you do get a fix, might be a good idea to put >> it on the >> >>>>>> Arch wiki. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Jeremiah E. Bess >> >>>>>> Network Ninja, Penguin Geek, Father of four.nine >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103182072532361592558> < >> https://www.facebook.com/jeremiahbess> >> >>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47451026> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:15, Scott Vargovich < >> [email protected] >> >>>>>> > wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I finally conquered my laptop issues with Arch!!! Don't ask me >> how I >> >>>>>>> did it - all I can say is http://wiki.archlinux.org saved my >> bacon >> >>>>>>> on more than a few occasions. I'm having an issue with flash >> only on >> >>>>>>> Opera, which is the browser I really want to use. Flash works >> properly on >> >>>>>>> Chromium. Here are the versions of flash and Opera I have >> installed: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> extra/flashplugin 11.1.102.55-1 >> >>>>>>> community/opera 11.60-1 >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Any thoughts, ideas, questions, or comments??? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> <>< Scott Vargovich <>< >> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>>> OpenPGP Key ID: F8F5DC7E >> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Linux >> >>>>>>> Users Group. >> >>>>>>> To post a message, send email to [email protected] >> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email to >> >>>>>>> [email protected] >> >>>>>>> For more options, visit our group at >> >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/linuxusersgroup >> >>>>>>> References can be found at: http://goo.gl/anqri >> >>>>>>> Please remember to abide by our list rules ( >> >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/LUG-Rules or >> 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