At 6:24 AM +0100 4/18/99, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:

>> i thought the general wisdom was that Errors-To: was useless, in
>> fact down right harmful, though i can't seem to recall the specifics.
>
> I don't know about harmful, but it certainly is useless.

Modern sendmails (since sendmail 8?) are programmed to ignore 
errors-to, unless it's specifically turned on.

If you look in the sendmail README, it specifically says that 
Errors-To violates RFC1123, which is at 
<http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1123.html>. The specific paragraphs are 
5.3.7(e) and 5.3.7(f).

If you use "errors-to", all you'll do is get mail routed back from 
those sites that are out of spec with the RFCs. Since the vast 
majority of the internet rides on the back of sendmail, depending on 
errors-to will fail for all by the minority of sites that haven't 
figured out how to run a mail server compliant with standards that 
are a decade old. (I know, this is the internet. We can't expect 
people to adopt standards that quickly...)

Now, having said that -- I've seriously considered adding an 
Errors-To line to my mail lists, specifically to deal with those 
sites that *do* return mail in non-conforming ways. They're a small 
minority of sites, but in my experience, they seem to be the ones 
most likely to start mail loops, return mail as the original poster, 
send mail to root, postmaster, or any damn address EXCEPT the one we 
specified in the envelope, and generally make our lives crazy as 
admins. Adding the errors-to may be a way to get some of this rogue 
bounce mail to behave. I may try that in one of my next mailings, 
point it to some specific, unique address, and see what happens.

But the bottom line -- errors-to won't do what was being asked of it 
here. It might have six or seven years ago, but most mail is now 
handled by mailers that use the envelope and not Errors-to. the 
simple fact that sendmail doesn't do it is enough -- it's the 800 
pound gorilla of SMTP, so either you build your system to cooperate 
with sendmail, or you'll find it won't work...

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