On 19 May 2001, at 22:15, Tim Pierce wrote:

> On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Nick Simicich wrote:
> > 
> > There are no legit virus notifications, except the ones that come from
> > virus companies.
> 
> That's kind of the attitude I'm taking these days.  If I thought
> that we could instruct the users how to tell a warning of a real
> virus from a bogus rumor, then we would pursue that.

But *what* are you _warning_ them about?  The implication of making 
warnings like this *at*all* is that it is OK to open random attachments 
and that you're covered --- you've got this early-warning-system that'll 
let you know if the Britney Spears sex video is *really* an .mpg or is 
actually a virus, so if you haven't heard anything to the contrary, it is 
OK-to-click...

Why not just send them a constant stream of "there are still zillions of 
email viruses afoot, don't open attachments"? -- that's both closer to 
the truth, safer, and a better 'email ecology' for them than "HEY, watch 
out for a message that says click here if you want to get-rich-quick".

> ...  I just don't
> think that we're capable of that kind of education (or if it's even
> possible).

See, that's where we differ: you think that the 'education' is in 
teaching folk to figure out which 'warning's to trust.  I think that the 
necessary 'education' is to hammer into their thick skulls "DONT OPEN 
ATTACHMENTS". There hasn't been a virus 'warning' in a long time [since 
bubbleboy/KAK] that consisted of *anything* more than that, but rather 
than have the education be "learn how to fish", you/we/I persist in "hey, 
don't eat _that_ fish".

> .. Any warnings
> you get in e-mail should at least be cross-checked against a couple
> of other sources, if you are tempted to believe it at all.

When was the last time you got a 'warning' from an 'official source' or 
anyplace else that told you ANYTHING useful?  [assuming that _you_ have 
gotten the clue that opening attachments is a bad thing].  About the only 
thing such warnings do for me is warn me that I'm about to get deluged by 
pleas-for-help from clueless users who have, yet *again*, shot themselves 
in their collective feet.

I wonder if the folks at places like gov't offices and MS and IBM and 
such are the least bit embarrassed about the AnnaK trojan -- it isn't 
just that they got bit by a trojan, and isn't just that they demonstrated 
that the clue-train *still* hasn't stopped at their station... but that 
they were messing around with that sort of stuff on the old company 
computers on company time.  [I mean, what do you say to your boss: "How 
was I to know that the nude pictures of Anna K were actually a trojan?" 
[with the implication, I guess, that all the *other* nude-celebrity and 
lord-knows-what stuff that you regularly open weren't trojans so you'd 
gotten complacent???.]]

  /Bernie\
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