One thing I would like to round out is what exactly people would be interested in seeing in a walk through of eclipse. Here is a summary of what I was thinking.
1) Getting and running Eclipse 3.1
2) Basic Eclipse features for available to any coding environment such as that incredibly flexible interface and local file histories
3) Installing CFEclipse and other CF useful plugins via the update manager with an explanation of what the plugins do and why you would want them. The Web Standard Tools plugin is a must in this because it contains great CSS, XML, and _javascript_ support.
4) Working in CFEclipse...Maybe demonstrate project / workspace management, code completion, cfm / cfc creation, the scribble pad, snippets, code tasks and bookmarks, etc.
5) Working in teams or a "don't break that source" environment via CVS and FTP synchronization. (Connecting to a CVS / FTP server and committing changes)
Let me know what you guys think about this summary or anything else you may have heard about Eclipse and I will try to adjust it accordingly as I know anyone already into Eclipse would love to talk about it forever. I'll keep myself from doing that, but I do want to stress some of the things that I have found incredibly innovative about the way Eclipse and these plugins work that have really made my life easier and learn from others in the group as well.
Again, let me know of any subjects that I may be forgetting and I'll give it my best.
On 8/17/05, Matt Woodward <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Great Mike--if you want to lead up the Eclipse discussion that would
be very cool, and maybe that portion of the night could be a
relatively informal discussion of what cool features Eclipse has for
CFers and some of the incredibly useful plugins that are available.
This could make for a good roundtable discussion after you do a
walkthrough. If you were volunteering that is. ;-) I'd love to see
some new faces get up and present.
So it sounds like maybe the meeting is shaping up thusly:
1. Brief Flash Forms presentation: Dave Shuck
2. Head First Mach-II: Matt Woodward
3. Eclipse Roundtable: Mike Kelp and other Eclipse users
That seems like a pretty good mix to me--I'd like to put the Eclipse
discussion last so it could be pretty open-ended. Let me know your
thoughts everyone.
Thanks,
Matt
On 8/16/05, Mike Kelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have actually gained a lot of experience using good old CVS encrypted over
> SSH with Eclipse as it is the most stable system for it. All of the
> subversion plugins I have seen thus far are incomplete :-( It is nice to be
> able to do everything without a second client (no leaving Eclipse). Also,
> eclipse has a very good built in local file history for recovering those
> mistakes within the last 7 days.
>
> Also, I haven't seen this mentioned, but Eclipse has a very good FTP and
> WebDAV synchronization plugin that I use all the time when I'm working. I
> edit everything locally, committing to the CVS as usual and then have Eclipse
> perform a diff with the FTP site when I'm ready to upload so I don't forget
> files I have edited or images.
>
> As for line by line comparisons, it does a great job at that and I even found
> a basic CSS plugin that has a special comparison view for CVS mode that shows
> exactly what IDs and classes were edited.
>
> Anyway, let me know if I can be of any help for this meeting as it is
> something I've really been into lately and I am do for some Eclipse
> evangelism hehe.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike.
>
> On Wednesday 17 August 2005 02:27 am, Jordan Gouger wrote:
> > You can't beat free!
> >
> > Matt Woodward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Jordan--I haven't looked at Perforce in detail, but I've heard
> > really good things about it. The big thing in my mind is the price
> > when Subversion is free, but hey, I'm cheap like that even if it's
> > with company money. I have definitely heard great things about it
> > particularly on large teams, and the functionality you're mentioning
> > sounds pretty cool. Subversion does comparisons between your version
> > and the most recently committed version, but it doesn't go beyond that
> > as far as I know. But hey, it's free. :-)
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > On 8/16/05, Jordan Gouger wrote:
> > > Matt,
> > >
> > > Sounds like a great idea about having a meeting on Eclipse!
> > >
> > > Have you looked at Perforce? ( http://www.perforce.com) We use that in the
> > > office to support a team of 10-15 developers. Perhaps the best feature of
> > > it is that allows you to view a line-line comparison between either two
> > > different versions of files in the depot or between your version and
> > > somebody else's. Very helpful to use on a multi-developer project!
> > >
> > > Jordan
> > >
> > > Matt Woodward wrote:
> > > If I have my way we're going to dump VSS at work and go with SVN. SVN
> > > is way more capable and the Tortoise Windows explorer integration that
> > > Joe mentions is really cool, not to mention the Subclipse plugin for
> > > Eclipse.
> > >
> > > As an aside, maybe Eclipse, CFEclipse, and all the other various
> > > plugins would make a good UG meeting topic ... what do people think?
> > >
> > > On 8/16/05, Joe Kelly wrote:
> > > > I'm a big fan of TortoiseSVN. You can roll back complete or partial
> > > > versions and even do code comparison, side by side to see the
> > > > highlighted differences.
> > > > I don't have time for mental mistakes!
> > > > http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/
> > > > Joe Kelly
> > > >
> > > > On 8/16/05, Dan Blackman wrote:
> > > > > Schreck, you're always prone to being mental....lol Kidding!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
> > > > > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:50 AM
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > Subject: RE: CFE FTP - What am I missing?
> > > > >
> > > > > VSS is a must even if you are working on code by yourself. VSS has
> > > > > label functionality that you can use to tag points in time with your
> > > > > code. If you are not using VSS or similar type source control then I
> > > > > highly recommend doing so.
> > > > >
> > > > > I cannot count the number of times VSS has saved me. Especially
> > > > > working late at night when I'm prone to make mental mistakes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
> > > > > Behalf Of Tom Woestman
> > > > > Sent : Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:37 AM
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > Subject: RE: CFE FTP - What am I missing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed - this has happened to me several times. Fortunately, I use
> > > > > VSS and was able to recover the last version of the file but it can
> > > > > be annoying.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Dave Shuck [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:19 AM
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > Subject: Re: CFE FTP - What am I missing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Good point... I am almost exclusively using that working with a
> > > > > development server, then doing wholesale moves. I have had a number
> > > > > of "OH @$*#!!!" moments where Homesite dies in the middle of a save
> > > > > and I am left with a forced kill of homesite.exe and an 0 byte file
> > > > > on the server! That alone keeps me from using that method in
> > > > > production.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/16/05, Matt Woodward wrote:
> > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not unhappy with the addition, it just
> > > > > > wasn't what I expected. I guess based on how I work direct editing
> > > > > > via FTP seems a bit dangerous to me, but I suppose if you're FTPing
> > > > > > to a dev server that's cool. I'll stick with the Subversion flow I
> > > > > > got going recently. ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 8/16/05, Dave Shuck wrote:
> > > > > > > That is exactly how Homesite handles its FTP though, so some of
> > > > > > > us are happy. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 8/16/05, Matt Woodward wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 8/15/05, Jake McKee wrote:
> > > > > > > > > OK, playing with CFE 1.2... but ca n't seem to get the FTP to
> > > > > > > > > do anything but view files on the server, or view files on
> > > > > > > > > the server. Can I upload to the server with CFE? If so, how?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think there's a bit of confusion--what I was expecting to be
> > > > > > > > able to do after initially reading about this feature was
> > > > > > > > right-click on a local file from file explorer view and do a
> > > > > > > > put on it similar to how Dreamweaver manages sites.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As near as I can tell that isn't the way it works. What it
> > > > > > > > basically does is gives you a file browser view that connects
> > > > > > > > directly to FTP, so if you double-click a file in FTP view it
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > do a get and open it, and if you hit save it saves your changes
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > >
> > > > > the *remote* server.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > In other words, this isn't like the site management stuff in
> > > > > > > > DW. It's still useful but it wasn't exactly what I was
> > > > > > > > expecting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > > > --
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