Sounds great Mike--thanks for volunteering, and the proposed topics sound perfect.
Matt On 8/17/05, Mike Kelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd be glad to head up the Eclipse discussion and I love the idea of making > it more of a round table discussion afterwards just because there are so > many useful features / plugins to Eclipse that I'm sure others at our CFUG > have found many that I haven't. > > One thing I would like to round out is what exactly people would be > interested in seeing in a walk through of eclipse. Here is a summary of what > I was thinking. > > 1) Getting and running Eclipse 3.1 > 2) Basic Eclipse features for available to any coding environment such as > that incredibly flexible interface and local file histories > 3) Installing CFEclipse and other CF useful plugins via the update manager > with an explanation of what the plugins do and why you would want them. The > Web Standard Tools plugin is a must in this because it contains great CSS, > XML, and javascript support. > 4) Working in CFEclipse...Maybe demonstrate project / workspace management, > code completion, cfm / cfc creation, the scribble pad, snippets, code tasks > and bookmarks, etc. > 5) Working in teams or a "don't break that source" environment via CVS and > FTP synchronization. (Connecting to a CVS / FTP server and committing > changes) > > Let me know what you guys think about this summary or anything else you may > have heard about Eclipse and I will try to adjust it accordingly as I know > anyone already into Eclipse would love to talk about it forever. I'll keep > myself from doing that, but I do want to stress some of the things that I > have found incredibly innovative about the way Eclipse and these plugins > work that have really made my life easier and learn from others in the group > as well. > > Again, let me know of any subjects that I may be forgetting and I'll give > it my best. > > On 8/17/05, Matt Woodward < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Great Mike--if you want to lead up the Eclipse discussion that would > > be very cool, and maybe that portion of the night could be a > > relatively informal discussion of what cool features Eclipse has for > > CFers and some of the incredibly useful plugins that are available. > > This could make for a good roundtable discussion after you do a > > walkthrough. If you were volunteering that is. ;-) I'd love to see > > some new faces get up and present. > > > > So it sounds like maybe the meeting is shaping up thusly: > > > > 1. Brief Flash Forms presentation: Dave Shuck > > 2. Head First Mach-II: Matt Woodward > > 3. Eclipse Roundtable: Mike Kelp and other Eclipse users > > > > That seems like a pretty good mix to me--I'd like to put the Eclipse > > discussion last so it could be pretty open-ended. Let me know your > > thoughts everyone. > > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > > > On 8/16/05, Mike Kelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have actually gained a lot of experience using good old CVS encrypted > over > > > SSH with Eclipse as it is the most stable system for it. All of the > > > subversion plugins I have seen thus far are incomplete :-( It is nice to > be > > > able to do everything without a second client (no leaving Eclipse). > Also, > > > eclipse has a very good built in local file history for recovering those > > > mistakes within the last 7 days. > > > > > > Also, I haven't seen this mentioned, but Eclipse has a very good FTP and > > > WebDAV synchronization plugin that I use all the time when I'm working. > I > > > edit everything locally, committing to the CVS as usual and then have > Eclipse > > > perform a diff with the FTP site when I'm ready to upload so I don't > forget > > > files I have edited or images. > > > > > > As for line by line comparisons, it does a great job at that and I even > found > > > a basic CSS plugin that has a special comparison view for CVS mode that > shows > > > exactly what IDs and classes were edited. > > > > > > Anyway, let me know if I can be of any help for this meeting as it is > > > something I've really been into lately and I am do for some Eclipse > > > evangelism hehe. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mike. > > > > > > On Wednesday 17 August 2005 02:27 am, Jordan Gouger wrote: > > > > You can't beat free! > > > > > > > > Matt Woodward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Thanks Jordan--I haven't looked at Perforce in detail, but I've heard > > > > really good things about it. The big thing in my mind is the price > > > > when Subversion is free, but hey, I'm cheap like that even if it's > > > > with company money. I have definitely heard great things about it > > > > particularly on large teams, and the functionality you're mentioning > > > > sounds pretty cool. Subversion does comparisons between your version > > > > and the most recently committed version, but it doesn't go beyond that > > > > as far as I know. But hey, it's free. :-) > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > On 8/16/05, Jordan Gouger wrote: > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like a great idea about having a meeting on Eclipse! > > > > > > > > > > Have you looked at Perforce? ( http://www.perforce.com) We use that > in the > > > > > office to support a team of 10-15 developers. Perhaps the best > feature of > > > > > it is that allows you to view a line-line comparison between either > two > > > > > different versions of files in the depot or between your version and > > > > > somebody else's. Very helpful to use on a multi-developer project! > > > > > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > > > Matt Woodward wrote: > > > > > If I have my way we're going to dump VSS at work and go with SVN. > SVN > > > > > is way more capable and the Tortoise Windows explorer integration > that > > > > > Joe mentions is really cool, not to mention the Subclipse plugin for > > > > > Eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > As an aside, maybe Eclipse, CFEclipse, and all the other various > > > > > plugins would make a good UG meeting topic ... what do people think? > > > > > > > > > > On 8/16/05, Joe Kelly wrote: > > > > > > I'm a big fan of TortoiseSVN. You can roll back complete or > partial > > > > > > versions and even do code comparison, side by side to see the > > > > > > highlighted differences. > > > > > > I don't have time for mental mistakes! > > > > > > http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ > > > > > > Joe Kelly > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/16/05, Dan Blackman wrote: > > > > > > > Schreck, you're always prone to being mental....lol Kidding! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:50 AM > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Subject: RE: CFE FTP - What am I missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VSS is a must even if you are working on code by yourself. VSS > has > > > > > > > label functionality that you can use to tag points in time with > your > > > > > > > code. If you are not using VSS or similar type source control > then I > > > > > > > highly recommend doing so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot count the number of times VSS has saved me. Especially > > > > > > > working late at night when I'm prone to make mental mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Tom Woestman > > > > > > > Sent : Tuesday, August 16, 2005 10:37 AM > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Subject: RE: CFE FTP - What am I missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed - this has happened to me several times. Fortunately, I > use > > > > > > > VSS and was able to recover the last version of the file but it > can > > > > > > > be annoying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Dave Shuck [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:19 AM > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: CFE FTP - What am I missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good point... I am almost exclusively using that working with a > > > > > > > development server, then doing wholesale moves. I have had a > number > > > > > > > of "OH @$*#!!!" moments where Homesite dies in the middle of a > save > > > > > > > and I am left with a forced kill of homesite.exe and an 0 byte > file > > > > > > > on the server! That alone keeps me from using that method in > > > > > > > production. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/16/05, Matt Woodward wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not unhappy with the addition, it just > > > > > > > > wasn't what I expected. I guess based on how I work direct > editing > > > > > > > > via FTP seems a bit dangerous to me, but I suppose if you're > FTPing > > > > > > > > to a dev server that's cool. I'll stick with the Subversion > flow I > > > > > > > > got going recently. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/16/05, Dave Shuck wrote: > > > > > > > > > That is exactly how Homesite handles its FTP though, so some > of > > > > > > > > > us are happy. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/16/05, Matt Woodward wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 8/15/05, Jake McKee wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > OK, playing with CFE 1.2... but ca n't seem to get the > FTP to > > > > > > > > > > > do anything but view files on the server, or view files > on > > > > > > > > > > > the server. Can I upload to the server with CFE? If so, > how? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there's a bit of confusion--what I was expecting > to be > > > > > > > > > > able to do after initially reading about this feature was > > > > > > > > > > right-click on a local file from file explorer view and do > a > > > > > > > > > > put on it similar to how Dreamweaver manages sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As near as I can tell that isn't the way it works. What it > > > > > > > > > > basically does is gives you a file browser view that > connects > > > > > > > > > > directly to FTP, so if you double-click a file in FTP view > it > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do a get and open it, and if you hit save it saves your > changes > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the *remote* server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, this isn't like the site management stuff > in > > > > > > > > > > DW. It's still useful but it wasn't exactly what I was > > > > > > > > > > expecting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Matt Woodward > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mattwoodward.com > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To post, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ~Dave Shuck > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > www.worldwildweb.biz > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To post, send email to [email protected] > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > > > > > > > > To subscribe: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Matt Woodward > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > http://www.mattwoodward.com > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > To post, send email to [email protected] > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & gt; To subscribe: > > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ~Dave Shuck > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > www.worldwildweb.biz > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > To post, send email to [email protected] > > > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > > > > > > To subscribe: > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > To post, send email to [email protected] > > > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > > > > > > To subscribe: > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > To post, send email to [email protected] > > > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > > > > > > To subscribe: > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > To post, send email to [email protected] > > > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > > > > > > To subscribe: > > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Joe Kelly > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > To post, send email to [email protected] > > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > > > > > To subscribe: > > > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Matt Woodward > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > http://www.mattwoodward.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To post, send email to [email protected] > > > > > To unsubscribe: > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > > > > To subscribe: > > > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post, send email to [email protected] > > > To unsubscribe: > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > > To subscribe: > > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Matt Woodward > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.mattwoodward.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > To post, send email to [email protected] > > To unsubscribe: > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberUnsubscribe.cfm > > To subscribe: > > http://www.dfwcfug.org/form_MemberRegistration.cfm > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mike Kelp > > --Education's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one. > ~Malcolm S. 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